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Fitbit Wants To Help Corporations Track Employee Health

jfruh writes: Fitbit is pitching its iconic fitness trackers to businesses as a tool to save money on health care costs. Many companies have wellness programs to encourage workers to exercise more, and Fitbit will help employers quantify (and monitor) employee progress. “We think virtually every company will incorporate fitness trackers into their corporate wellness programs,” Fitbit CFO Bill Zerella said

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  1. Is it 1984 yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Lord help us all!

    1. Re:Is it 1984 yet? by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

      I bet employees at Konami WISH they only had to deal with Big Brother.

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    2. Re:Is it 1984 yet? by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yep...'cause if you have to wear these things, they'll likely be getting GPS information on you after you leave work.

      Oops, PHil...appears you've been regularly stopping off at bar on the way home, that's gonna be a bit of a risk to us for your health ins....

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  2. Great idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe they can come monitor my food when I'm at home or out about town, too?

    And maybe they can monitor when I wake and sleep.

    And maybe monitor what kind of air I breath in my part of town.

    And maybe they can just get a direct pipe into all my medical records? I mean, since apparently we give no fucks anymore, right?

    I have a better idea: You hire me to do a fucking job and I'll do the fucking job and we'll leave our involvement with each other right fucking there.

    1. Re:Great idea! by NotDrWho · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'll willingly give them a stool sample if they like.

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    2. Re:Great idea! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe they can come monitor my food when I'm at home or out about town, too?

      And maybe they can monitor when I wake and sleep.

      And maybe monitor what kind of air I breath in my part of town.

      And maybe they can just get a direct pipe into all my medical records? I mean, since apparently we give no fucks anymore, right?

      I have a better idea: You hire me to do a fucking job and I'll do the fucking job and we'll leave our involvement with each other right fucking there.

      "They know when you've been sleeping,
      They know when you're awake,
      They know when you've been bad or good,
      So be good for goodness sake."

      And who says childhood never ends?

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    3. Re:Great idea! by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 3, Funny

      I gave one to my boss in advance, just in case. I left it on his desk to be sure he sees it.

    4. Re:Great idea! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      What you have to consider is that the company is trying to monitor and control your behaviour at work anyway. Unchecked they want you to be constantly busy, concentrating on tasks and giving 100% output 8 hours a day 5 days a week. There is pressure to over-work and ignore your own health needs for the benefit of the company. If your boss is failing they may try to simply crack the whip a little more and force you to work harder.

      This kind of health monitoring can counter-balance that. The same boss that wants to push you harder also has to consider that if her staff all miss this health targets she will be in trouble too. It also helps the company avoid creating a toxic work environment. In fact many companies already do this, with a Health and Safety officer/department that is responsible for promoting occupational health. In the US it might even reduce healthcare premiums.

      Some Japanese companies require employees to spend half an hour eating lunch. Actually eating their meal slowly. It's not strictly monitored or anything, but it does help prevent employees feeling pressured to skip lunch to meet deadlines, for example. The activity is scheduled and must be completed each day during a 2 hour lunch period, consisting of half an hour for eating and half an hour for whatever the employee wants to do. It seems regimented to westerners but employees like it and find it's better than the somewhat illusionary "freedom" to do as they please, since they are usually pressured into "choosing" to do something against their own interests anyway.

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    5. Re:Great idea! by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      Which is far more giving than the people whom wouldn't give a shit...no wait...

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    6. Re:Great idea! by OhPlz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I see both sides on this one and I'm not sure which is the better argument. It doesn't seem right to force workers to have their privacy invaded at such intimate levels in order to qualify for a benefit. I do also see the argument that unhealthy sloths can jack the cost of insurance up for everyone at the company. IMO, the real answer isn't wellness programs, it's get health insurance out of the hands of employers. I want to buy my own policy that I can keep wherever I work. Technically that's possible today but going from a group to an individual means the premium is unapproachable. Yet if everyone or even a significant number of people did this, it'd be like auto insurance where they'd be a healthy marketplace for it and premiums would be approachable. Instead of trying for single payer, Obamacare could have been a slam dunk if it could pull this off. Instead, we got the worst possible outcome. The states don't want the marketplace approach nor should they, and the employers remain the dominant path to getting coverage. We need a free market, not a state market, not employer provided.

    7. Re:Great idea! by Dins · · Score: 2

      as long as you forego the health insurance benefit of your fucking job.

      Oops - can't even do that anymore if you live in the US...

    8. Re:Great idea! by Jstlook · · Score: 2

      There's a better solution. Find the guy who bikes to work every day. Offer him half the 'incentive' to wear your shackle next to his own. Or .. figure out a way to mimic the data input for the shackle, and have it run 24-7. The insurance company will love you! You might want to invest in another shackle that looks the same, just in case their gestappo walks the halls looking for the insolent.

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    9. Re:Great idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Obamacare Bugzilla
      Bug 7863763
      Subject: employer and government now have reason to interfere in every aspect of my life
      Status: Confirmed, Won't Fix
      Last maintainer comment: "Works as intended."

    10. Re:Great idea! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      yeah. doctors - and admin staff in hospitals - should also have full access to patient's financial records and not only be allowed to but actually required to euthanase those they deem too poor or too sick to deserve treatment.

      this will result in huge cost savings and also serve to discourage the poor and the chronically ill from seeking treatment. win win win!

      in fact, they could even raise money by performing various entertaining methods of involuntary euthanasia for a reality TV show, and rake in lots of advertising dollars.

      Wow! I have fond my equal or even my better on over they top replies! Well played cas2000! Well played indeed.

      But yeah, some times folks don't understand how they sound, or how things work in real life, so some severe sarcasm is called for.

      Doctors, for better or worse, tend to like to make sick people better. And for better or worse, we don't live in the world of the 1950's, where care and insurance was a lot more rudimentary.

      And as irascible and likewise over the top Bill Maher notes, Health care should not be a for profit industry. It's fucking healthcare. For so many things in life, a profit motive is a great thing. It greases the skids of life.

      But despite many teenagers claims, you don't die because you cant afford an iPad or Nike sneakers. but a person with familial hypercholesterolemia, and denied treatment because of what that does indeed die very soon.

      The idea of cost as a metric for healthcare or denial of it or based on some supposed fault is just rather abhorrent. It eventually starts to sound like the only people who will have it are people who don't need it.

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  3. Old New by swv3752 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Old news, my company started it last year. It is an optional program, but you are necouraged as you get a free fitbit, and money if you hit certain goals.

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    1. Re:Old New by thedonger · · Score: 2

      may I need that option where I work. I already have a fitbit, but the goals would be cake.

      I think maybe you have the UNfitbit if the goals are cake.

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  4. Re:Fat Shaming by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's what always creeps me out about any sort of "employee wellness" programs in the workplace. There is an all-too-fine line between an optional program with fun rewards and a de facto mandatory program with harsh punishments.

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  5. Re:Fat Shaming by SecurityGuy · · Score: 2

    It's not remotely "fat shaming". Healthy people have lower health care costs on average. Everyday people like me and presumably you want to spend less on insurance, which means we need to actually cost less. Programs like this (my employer does it, and I participate) don't stigmatize you in any way if you don't participate. I didn't for the first few years it was in place. No one said a word about it. I finally did because I felt like I was leaving free money on the table.

    There's zero stress. You carry a tiny device around, sync it now and again, lose it from time to time, find it again, and there's more money in your paycheck.

  6. Not just corporations by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Informative

    I work for the University of Washington (so I'm a state employee), and starting with 2015 our health plan has included a "wellness incentive" which, if met, drops $125 off an employee's annual deductible. For this current year, it was a simple matter of making a couple attestations ("I don't smoke", "I exercise at least 3 days a week"). For 2016, though, it's gotten a bit more intrusive - one of the ways you can earn points towards the incentive is to record daily step counts and exceed 35000 steps per week, which you could either do manually or by giving the website access to your FitBit data (it also supported several other trackers). Other ways to earn points included "Try Tai Chi", "Fill out an Advance Directive", "See a Mentor", "No Stress Mondays", and so on.

    Given the move Washington State has made towards both intrusiveness and nanny-state-dom, and given that by state law pretty much all our job-related data is public record, I would not be surprised if at some point people who gave permission to access their fitness trackers to find that someone in the monitoring chain started checking when activity is occurring. This could be a problem for someone if, like me, they often don't get a conventional lunch hour due to job duties. I'm often eating after 1pm (or even after 2pm) simply because it works better with tasks I'm doing - so when I go for my lunchtime walk, it's not usually between 12 and 1. Fortunately I'm not naive enough to give them access to my Garmin Viviosmart data, but a less paranoid person could end up with a nasty surprise come annual evaluation time.

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    1. Re:Not just corporations by swb · · Score: 2

      "No Stress Mondays"

      So if I send them a picture of me with a bong, binge-watching TV on Monday they'll give me a discount??

    2. Re:Not just corporations by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      You need 2000 points total to get the annual incentive.

      I just went to the website (haven't been there since I met the requirements for next year) and looked. I don't see anything specific to people with disabilities; but there are enough nanny-state-ish activities that still earn points - "take a break from technology" (50 pts/wk), "healthy snacks" (25 pts/wk), "grow/harvest a garden" (100 pts/wk), "keep a journal of your thoughts" (25 pts/wk), "drink water" (50 pts/wk), "get your zzzz's" (50 pts/wk), and quite a few others - I would expect you could meet the incentives without much of a problem.

      Heck, you get 5 points every day you log into the site.

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    3. Re:Not just corporations by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Much more practical suggestion for /.ers.

      1. Put your step counter on your wrist.
      2. Fap.
      3. Profit.

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  7. Re:Fat Shaming by AuMatar · · Score: 2

    That's the concern. Optional benefits (on campus gym, free/reduced cost gym membership, paid personal trainers, reimbursement for exercise classes, paying for home equipment) are cool. Forcing people is not. And if an employer is tracking my health, that falls into category 2 not category 1.

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  8. Re:Fat Shaming by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...and yet many companies use United Healthcare, which has this neat little program where nicotine users (cigs, dip, vape, whatever) get to pay an extra $70/mo. for their health insurance, and if your spouse smokes? That'll be $140/mo that you get pay, please.

    Oh, you don't partake and claim yourself exempt? You get random annual bodily-fluid testing where you get to prove that you're nicotine-free.

    Did I mention that if caught smoking when you said you didn't? You get fired for-cause.

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  9. Re:Fat Shaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, United Healthcare program you are referring to covers use of tobacco products. The FDA doesn't currently categorize e-cigarettes as a tobacco product so they don't count, for now. I know because we have United Healthcare and I filled out this form about a month ago and it specifically mentions that e-cigs are not currently recognized as tobacco products.

  10. Top performer by haystor · · Score: 2

    I predict the guy at Home Depot working the paint mixer will be a top performer.

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  11. Buy N' Large by TigerPlish · · Score: 2

    We're headed that way. Commerce and government will become indistinguishable from each other.

    We have a (laughably ineffective) separation of Church and State.

    We desperately need to even more fiercely deploy and enforce a separation of Commerce and State. No more lobbying by religious groups. No more lobbying by commerce -- or proxies of, at least not on the positively obscene way it is being done today

    And by State I also include the federales.

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  12. Re:Fat Shaming by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    That's the concern. Optional benefits (on campus gym, free/reduced cost gym membership, paid personal trainers, reimbursement for exercise classes, paying for home equipment) are cool. Forcing people is not. And if an employer is tracking my health, that falls into category 2 not category 1.

    I have not yet heard of an employer actually forcing people (and I would hear of things being in the benefits administration field). But, I have seen employers raise the price of health insurance, and then offer a "discount" for participation in healthy incentives.

    The Penn State Wellness fiasco? Unless you think that what amounts to a yearly fine is not forced,, I'm pretty surprised that a professional in benefits administration field would not have heard of that. It was dropped due ot employee outrage (some were even daring to breathe the dreaded "U" word, but it was going to be forced until cooler minds intervened. I posted a link above, but here it is again http://lcbpsusenate.blogspot.c...

    Any thoughts?

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