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AT&T Helped the NSA Spy On Internet Traffic

An anonymous reader writes: Newly disclosed NSA documents show that the agency gained access to billions of emails through a "highly collaborative" relationship with AT&T. The company provided access from 2003 to 2013, including technical assistance to carry out court orders permitting wiretapping. "The company installed surveillance equipment in at least 17 of its Internet hubs on American soil, far more than its similarly sized competitor, Verizon. And its engineers were the first to try out new surveillance technologies invented by the eavesdropping agency. One document reminds NSA officials to be polite when visiting AT&T facilities, noting, 'This is a partnership, not a contractual relationship.'" The new files don't indicate whether the partnership currently exists, but the government has been doing its best to keep corporate partnerships hidden. The article also notes that "In 2011, AT&T began handing over 1.1 billion domestic cellphone calling records a day to the N.S.A. after 'a push to get this flow operational prior to the 10th anniversary of 9/11,' according to an internal agency newsletter."

82 comments

  1. Land of the flea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Home of the slave!

    1. Re:Land of the flea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Home of the slave!

      How so? Nobody is taking your freedom away to do anything.

    2. Re: Land of the flea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Step 1: put enough vague laws on the books that everyone breaks at least one a day.

        Step 2: set up monitoring to watching every aspect of everyone's lives

        Step 3: pick and choose who is most convenient for you to charge, since you now have dirt on everyone.

      The process above has been use many times in the past to harass inconvenient people with flimsy excuses.

      Just like all the other bill of rights items, there are good reasons for the 4th amendment.

    3. Re: Land of the flea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And HTF would you know?

  2. AT&T had zero choice by iggymanz · · Score: 0

    it was against the law to refuse the access

    1. Re:AT&T had zero choice by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Informative

      is this really news? wasnt it AT&T who we knew had a secret room in one of their buildings years ago??

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    2. Re:AT&T had zero choice by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 5, Informative

      Of course AT&T had a choice, they could have gone to court. That would have stopped it right there. What could the NSA do, shut them down? And yes, this is news because the level of spying and complicity is even worse than previously reported. I am sure as more leaks come out, it will turn out to be far worse still.

      The tech savvy crowd here at /. should be enraged that this is what our government is doing to the Internet. But maybe now that we have heard so much crap about what the government does that it just induces a yawn. I suppose that is a good thing for the NSA. I personally am outraged.

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    3. Re:AT&T had zero choice by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if it was AT&T specifically... I mean, I'm sure rumors about AT&T leaked, but what I heard is that all the ISPs do this.

    4. Re:AT&T had zero choice by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Informative
      I found it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... IT

      Room 641A is located in the SBC Communications building at 611 Folsom Street, San Francisco, three floors of which were occupied by AT&T before SBC purchased AT&T.[1] The room was referred to in internal AT&T documents as the SG3 [Study Group 3] Secure Room. It is fed by fiber optic lines from beam splitters installed in fiber optic trunks carrying Internet backbone traffic[3] and, as analyzed by J. Scott Marcus, a former CTO for GTE and a former adviser to the FCC, has access to all Internet traffic that passes through the building, and therefore "the capability to enable surveillance and analysis of internet content on a massive scale, including both overseas and purely domestic traffic."[4] Former director of the NSA's World Geopolitical and Military Analysis Reporting Group, William Binney, has estimated that 10 to 20 such facilities have been installed throughout the United States.[2]

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    5. Re:AT&T had zero choice by Sarusa · · Score: 1, Troll

      Maybe RTFA. They were eagerly slobbering the NSA's knob, giving them even more than they were asking for.

    6. Re:AT&T had zero choice by davester666 · · Score: 2

      Yes, they could have refused all that wonderful government money. Not. It probably added 50% to the CEO's bonus over those years.

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    7. Re:AT&T had zero choice by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      yes, we have known this for some years now. Im happy to see it making more rounds though

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    8. Re:AT&T had zero choice by iggymanz · · Score: 0

      Maybe you have no critical thinking ability because of the bias between your ears. In 2001, AT&T had zero choice.

    9. Re:AT&T had zero choice by Sarusa · · Score: 1

      Yeah, yeah, there's helping and then there's falling all over yourself to help. ' YOU ARE SO BIAS' - Is this some sort of AT&T fanboy thing? Those are pretty rare.

    10. Re:AT&T had zero choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From my police-trusting Euro-perspective, I would have expected there to be openly debated law giving a warranted, but similar access to the FBI, not the NSA which should have other concerns like signals intelligence around the US embassies and in the friendly countries towards the borders of the hostile ones.

    11. Re:AT&T had zero choice by russotto · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of course AT&T had a choice, they could have gone to court. That would have stopped it right there. What could the NSA do, shut them down?

      Trump up criminal charges and get the CEO of AT&T thrown into pound-me-in-the-ass Federal Prison, just like they did to the only telecom executive to refuse them. This ain't the bush leagues.

    12. Re:AT&T had zero choice by atropa · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure they admitted to exactly this method of Trunk Preservation on Sea Quest?

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    13. Re:AT&T had zero choice by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      Maybe you are right, and our "Justice Dept." is that corrupt. Sounds like time for a change. So how do you get people to vote for what is in their own best interest, and stop voting for the military industrial complex-controlled politicians? There do seem to be a few running this time around.

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    14. Re: AT&T had zero choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You always have a choice. AT&T chose to collude with the government to undermine the US Constitution in exchange for money. That's treason. You're a little too quick to absolve them. It's just like the officers in Nazi Germany that had no choice but to murder innocent Jews. Those are crimes, and they did have a choice. They chose evil instead of good, out of cowardice. Just like AT&T. AT&T are cowards and traitors.

    15. Re: AT&T had zero choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who?

    16. Re:AT&T had zero choice by Sibko · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of course AT&T had a choice, they could have gone to court. That would have stopped it right there. What could the NSA do, shut them down?

      Well, the NSA/Government could cancel your government contracts, begin investigating you for insider trading, and jail your CEO for 6 years...

    17. Re: AT&T had zero choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple, point a gun at them before our enemies do.

      These people can't think for themselves, no do they want to. They enjoy taking orders from others cleverly disguised as "news." You will not convince them to change no matter what you do. If anything you'll do just enough for them to recognize your manipulation of them. Then they will forgo everything you've tried to do for them because of your "betrayal."

      So yeah point a gun at them. That's how you get them to vote beyond what their favorite talking heads want. While your at it, get the young kids who aren't brainwashed sheep, teach them reason, and teach them to willingly think for themselves so that this issue will stop occurring again and again.

      It may not be the ethical way, but noone ever said that safeguarding the liberty of the people was an endeavor without bloodshed.

    18. Re:AT&T had zero choice by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 2

      it was against the law to refuse the access

      The Fugitive Slave Act made it against the law to help escaped slaves. The Reich Citizenship Law made Jews non-people with no rights. For both of those laws (and many others), people resisted, even though in some cases they risked death in doing so. If what your government is doing is morally wrong, saying that you were just following orders and had no choice isn't good enough...

    19. Re:AT&T had zero choice by psm321 · · Score: 1

      Undoing accidental mod, ignore me

    20. Re:AT&T had zero choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So is providing the access, but one option would have got them in lots of trouble and the other not.

    21. Re:AT&T had zero choice by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Were they even legally allowed to disclose that the NSA had requested cooperation? How can you go to court when the judge doesn't have the necessary security clearance to hear the case and you'll certainly never be able to get a fair jury of citizens that way.

    22. Re:AT&T had zero choice by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Of course AT&T had a choice, they could have gone to court. That would have stopped it right there. What could the NSA do, shut them down?

      Yes, or worse.

      https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/...

  3. In five part harmony by laurencetux · · Score: 2

    DUH!

    of course ATT and the NSA have been working together i wouldn't surprised if they shared employees!

  4. Old News but IMPORTANT by birukun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember when the technician in this article was being called out as paranoid and many did not believe it.

    Unfortunately too true.

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    1. Re:Old News but IMPORTANT by fred911 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly, the title should read "AT&T Helped the NSA Spy On Internet Traffic now confirmed".

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    2. Re:Old News but IMPORTANT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember that as well. How many times do we have to go through people exposing the government, being called paranoid, and only later being proved correct before we accept that the government really is out to get us?

    3. Re:Old News but IMPORTANT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jesus was just collateral murder

    4. Re:Old News but IMPORTANT by BcNexus · · Score: 2

      And let's not forget that Joseph Nacchio, former CEO of Qwest, maintains that the series of events that led to his imprisonment began when he refused to capitulate to the government's surveillance demands.

      http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB...

    5. Re:Old News but IMPORTANT by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The trick then is to find some part of the internet that is not being spied upon, an ISP that can be trusted, trunk lines that are not compromised, etc. I suspect there are naive people out there saying "boy, I'm glad I've got Verizon!"

      So, just assume it is ALL compromised. That means be careful; encrypt stuff, anonymize as much as possible, even use less internet overall. But most people won't do this, they want their twitter. Quite a lot of people seem to have zero concept of privacy so they won't care if the government is also looking. Basically even being concerned about privacy marks one as a kook, luddite, and old person.

      Politically you can't get anywhere here unless you can blame things on the "other" party, depending upon who you're talking to. The parties would rather argue with each other than act in unison. The current horde of presidential candidates are not concerned about this and this spying won't raise to the level of an "issue" to be discussed in this election cycle. Everyone running for lesser office are all going to do whatever their party bosses tell them to do, so there's no hope there either. So this means assume that the compromised internet situation will continue indefinately.

    6. Re:Old News but IMPORTANT by Agripa · · Score: 2

      Back before the NSA and FBI implemented their current all encompassing digital surveillance plan, one of the considerations raised was that if it became known, then it would encourage opportunistic and ubiquitous encryption which they had been fighting for years and would have a dire effect on lawful surveillance. Well guess what? All of that has come to pass and ubiquitous and opportunistic encryption of lawful traffic and storage is starting to happen leading to the current cries from law enforcement about not being able to lawfully obtain plaintext.

      They brought this on themselves by disregarding the 4th amendment, denying due process, and repeatedly lying about it to everybody including Congress and the courts who share the blame for authorizing it and not following up.

      My ears of deaf to everything they say because none the branches of government can be trusted.

  5. Hey, AT&T ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... you're probably logging this right now because I'm on your network, so read carefully: FUCK. YOU. Did you get all that?

    1. Re:Hey, AT&T ... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      ... you're probably logging this right now because I'm on your network, so read carefully: FUCK. YOU. Did you get all that?

      AC... really?

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    2. Re: Hey, AT&T ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AT&T have his metadata so he certainly doesn't need to login to /. to register his complaint.

  6. This government kills US citizens w/o due process by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    When a government that kills citizens without due process wants you to be a "partner", it's pretty much an offer you can't refuse.

    Please stop wanting to "tax the rich" or have "everyone pay their fair share". This government DOES NOT NEED MORE RESOURCES TO USE AGAINST US!!!!!!!

  7. This is a partnership.... by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 4, Interesting

    NSA got access to everything, blah blah. The NSA is our new overlord and conscience. So I'm contrarian here and curious: what did AT&T get out of this?

    Or are they just happy they can listen in to phone calls again way back when the (actual) operators supported party-lines across multiple families and literally did the dialing for you?

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    If someone was calling, the ringtone (a clapper striking a physical bell attached to the phone) was a different pattern for each house so the correct person would know to pick up.

    Speed-dial? Touch-tones? Rotary? Dial-tone? No, you flashed the hook to get the attention of the mostly-present operator and verbally told them the name or number to dial for you.

    I've got a phone like that hanging in the kitchen. Unattached and unused for decades, of course, until I give in and pay for the "Twilight Zone" option.

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    1. Re:This is a partnership.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time.

    2. Re:This is a partnership.... by fredrated · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While in college I worked at one of the last, if not the last, cord board in California in Woodland. It was a gas, plugging in when a light went on, picking outgoing trunk lines to dial through, getting connected to really obscure places, timing calls with paper tickets and clocks. No day ever made the lights light up like the day Elvis died.

    3. Re:This is a partnership.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'so they said mail order catalogs used too much resource," so we dug up a mountain to power the air-conditioned shopping mall at the time.

    4. Re:This is a partnership.... by blackiner · · Score: 1

      What did they get out of it? Retroactive immunity for performing illegal warrantless wiretapping at the behest of the government, of course. I remember well back when Obama was starting to get popular and people kept saying how he would be different and bring "hope" and "change", yet supported this attrocity: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07...

    5. Re:This is a partnership.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NSA got access to everything, blah blah. The NSA is our new overlord and conscience. So I'm contrarian here and curious: what did AT&T get out of this?.

      ...

      Probably more like what AT&T DIDN'T get - the SEC digging through all their corporate finances and the IRS digging through all their executive's personal finances.

    6. Re:This is a partnership.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > what did AT&T get out of this?

      What does any corporation get out of getting on the government's good side? More contracts, less regulation, access to influential people, making them look better compared to the competition, etc.

    7. Re: This is a partnership.... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      This predates Obama, and probably predates 9/11, but we can figure it what is disclosed. That's bad enough.

      Knowing the FISA court was authorized in 1978, we cannot assume anything.

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    8. Re:This is a partnership.... by whoever57 · · Score: 2

      The NSA is our new overlord and conscience. So I'm contrarian here and curious: what did AT&T get out of this?

      Money. AT&T charged the NSA for access to their network. The linked article is from 2007 and suggests that the only way for a backbone provider to make money is to sell access to the government. This is not new information for anyone who has been watching.

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    9. Re:This is a partnership.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NSA got access to everything, blah blah. The NSA is our new overlord and conscience. So I'm contrarian here and curious: what did AT&T get out of this?
       

      Probably the same thing every top Fortune corporation does. Uncle Sam Sugar. AT&T is far more than domestic local and long-distance telephone (and now Internet) services. They're undoubtedly up to their chins in lucrative goverment contracts. Everything from a private phone exchange for the Capitol to battlefield communications, plus nice fat research grants. That's just a rough guess. The actuality is probably much more extensive. And considering that it's an American Prerogative to gouge the government, quite conceivably making more money off the Feds than they are off the general population.

      So all the US Government has to do is hint that AT&T could lose out on some nice fat contracts and the mighty AT&T will roll over like a dog.

      There's also a big difference between snoopy neighbors on party lines and gossipy operators listening in and what we have now. Your old-time open-line co-residents didn't have the power to declare you an Enemy Combatant and ship you off without trial to Guantanamo. That's a process that didn't even exist back a century ago.

    10. Re:This is a partnership.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They got a cozy quid-pro-quo with the United States government, who happens to control of trillions of dollars that AT&T would like to have.
      Captcha: complied

    11. Re:This is a partnership.... by ShaunC · · Score: 1

      what did AT&T get out of this?

      Millions of dollars at the very least (see: RSA). Perhaps billions, considering the vast scale.

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    12. Re:This is a partnership.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I worked as a switch technician at several MCI Points Of Presence during the 80's/90's - this kind of thing was going on at several Central Offices - generally all the main POPs for a metro area have a locked "wiretap room" that only people with badges and guns can get into and out of - it was verboten for use CO techs to enter, see, or even mention these rooms even exist, but they do. Israel provided much of the tech for the FBI and other agencies in the COs. There are also many COG/COOP sites with direct connections to hardened telecom networks and peering stations. I saw one such box with single mode fiber running in/out at the original MAE-EAST parking garage - but back then it was just another switch/router in the core.
      Sadly, nothing new here.

    13. Re:This is a partnership.... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re peering and use of US private sector.
      Cheap international standards that are US friendly in terms of new equipment costs and international peering costs via, to and from the USA.
      Subsidized funding builds an international reputation that ensured no other nation gets ideas about expensive direct links or distant interconnects of their own?
      The EU or South American call or data will pass via the US and then finds is final cheap destination.
      That also cuts down on the risk of power, space, cooling, bandwidth, site compromise if it can all be kept at select, expected big data sites.
      Local papers, citizen journalists might ask about power, water use by a gov site but fail to see any story in decades of massive .com upgrades.
      Trade deals globally or bilateral with another nation might have a very positive result to ensure cheap US peering is not locked out by another nation for any reason.

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    14. Re: This is a partnership.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What did they get?

      $10M/ yr. early on (probably more now), also immunity from prosecution for violating the Communications Act of 1934 by act of congress after Vaughn Walker found them guilty.

    15. Re:This is a partnership.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I'm contrarian here and curious: what did AT&T get out of this?

      Little practical conveniences, like not having to deal with expensive bogus trials, executives who are not in jail for the rest of their lives over some made-up charges with planted evidence, being able to get permits and generally do business, being eligible for government contracts, etc. Just the kind of things that make running a major telecoms company slightly easier.

  8. "One document reminds NSA officials to be polite" by Nutria · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Which pretty much makes it explicit that when the NSA comes to your CEO, they're rude, obnoxious and demanding. And you can't say no.

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  9. Old news by buckfeta2014 · · Score: 1

    Isn't this a little old by this point? I mean, we've known that the NSA taps off every CO at the optical level for about as long as the timeframe you're suggesting... if you're talking phones, even longer.

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  10. Re:"One document reminds NSA officials to be polit by Raenex · · Score: 1

    "Look, I know I'm letting you fuck my wife while I watch and rummage around my stuff, but could you please be polite about it? This is a partnership here."

  11. Re:"One document reminds NSA officials to be polit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "One document reminds NSA officials to be polite"

    Which pretty much makes it explicit that when the NSA comes to your CEO, they're rude, obnoxious and demanding. And you can't say no.

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  12. surveillance and datacaps by Forever+Wondering · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seems to me that datacaps facilitate the surveillance.

    The published/public reasons for datacaps are to "reduce network congestion" and that various telcos would like to charge [gouge] their customers more money.

    Many articles have debunked the "network congestion" argument. But, telcos would like to charge higher prices so they continue to float the myth ad naseum. It's also a great cover.

    Maybe the only "congestion" is that while it would be relatively easy/inexpensive to build out networks to handle it [routers, etc.], it would be prohibitively more expensive to add the requisite amount of surveillance equipment to handle the load [if they could]. Otherwise, the "secret room" inside a telco's CO would have to become the "secret floor" and eventually the "secret building".

    Charging customers higher prices for congestion is a misnomer. But, instead of using this capital [or any capital for that matter] to build out networks to accommodate legitimate internet traffic increases, like any reasonably/responsibly managed company, diverting it to a telco's "black budget" would be harder to justify [even internally] to an auditor.

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    1. Re:surveillance and datacaps by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The "secret room" idea is just getting access for a splitter in any nation, part of the USA. More splitters per room is not a big problem with optical.
      A location is vital, where data enters, exits the USA, 5 eye nations and other sites. Leverage, partnership.
      The filtering is done in other parts of the world as needed, realtime or over time with all the mirrored data ie collect it all.
      Scale does not seem to be a problem for most advanced nations anymore. Australia, NZ can get all of Asia without US or UK help.
      The UK got every message to/from/within Ireland and between the US and Ireland in the 1980's.
      Japan can get Asia, parts of Russia in bulk with its own systems.
      Most nations would just use very fast upgraded Echelon like systems. Know the called number or both numbers? Does the call, data mention a list of words? Know one side of the call via voice print? Very similar methods for data, instant translations. Collect it all stopped been the big issue into the 1960's. Sort as needed.
      Once split the "secret building" can be any massive secure site with power, cooling as needed. With generational, weak, junk international crypto standards, its all just very fast plain text sorting :)
      Optical to the home in parts of the world is just a lot more of the same at 1,000 megabits ++ per second :) Massive optical links between nations are not an issue, new consumer optical down a street is more of the same.
      Its understanding of the connections, voices, slang, accents, ensuring global use of free junk weak crypto thats the magic.

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  13. We already knew this - just more details by Sarusa · · Score: 2

    We already knew from previous leaks that AT&T was the telecom most eagerly cooperative with the NSA.

    What this underscores is just how eager they were, taking NSA dicks in all holes and begging for more, *splort*ing packets all over their faces. HLARGHARLARGH.

    All completely illegal and unconstitutional, thanks Dubya for getting this rolling and thanks Obama for covering their asses after the rock was turned over.

  14. Amusing by koan · · Score: 0

    I've pointed out numerous times that corps have helped the NSA only to be branded a"conspiracy theorist".
    About time they got around to putting this info out, again I am positive that Google, Apple, and MS do the same thing, if not now then certainly after CISA passes.

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  15. Glad I don't use AT&T by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody else should either.

    1. Re: Glad I don't use AT&T by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you so sure about that? AT&T is a backbone provider. It is likely that many things you access online pass through AT&T at some point. Try doing a trace route for some of the sites you visit and count how many you are going through hops with AT&T in them.

  16. Re:"One document reminds NSA officials to be polit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well... You can say no... but...

    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-story-of-joseph-nacchio-and-the-nsa-2013-6

  17. Re:"One document reminds NSA officials to be polit by jodido · · Score: 2

    The NSA wasn't "fucking the wife" and it really is a partnership. AT&T is a loyal corporate citizen and was doing its loyal patriotic duty. If you were AT&T, wouldn't you? Isn't the NSA and the rest of the state police apparatus there to protect AT&T and its class?

  18. Re:"One document reminds NSA officials to be polit by cr0nj0b · · Score: 1

    jodido, I'm sure you realize this, so this is more for other people.
    The NSA and its predecessors have long worked with telecommunications companies who willingly hand over data without warrants.

    here is a starting point as an overview...
    http://www.vice.com/read/a-bri...

  19. Re: Lick and felch GNAA nigger ass AT&T and th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tl;dr

  20. History by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

    AT&T owes the government some favors. You may recall they were broken up into smaller companies in the 1980s. Well not long after AT&T quietly bought up nearly everything again. Don't think that went over without anyone noticing.

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  21. This century's IBM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Collaboration leads to Financial Gain

  22. Long term view by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    An interesting long term review of NSG/GCHQ snooping - by Duncan Campbell.

  23. Re: "One document reminds NSA officials to be poli by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, even a stopped calendar is right once a year

  24. This isn't an isolated incident, either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is no surprise, and isn't really an isolated incident.

    Anyone here old enough (grin) to remember a CNN report back in the 90's, where we didn't believe massive amounts of data could be analyzed, yet the CIA had a specialized capsule/device inside an AT&T closet that was doing just that, that a whistle blower exposed. AT&T has been bent over for the gov't for a long time; I can only imagine the arrangements of that marriage. But, I wouldn't doubt if the other major telcos were just as dirty.

  25. AT&T has a Global Network (ex-IBM) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AT&T are a deadbeat carrier, whose main source of income is from the Federal agencies and sale of USA cellphones and packages.
    Their main business activity is Global Surveillence. They have a truely global data and voice network.
    When IBM (under Lou Gerstner of Carlisle fame) had built up their Global Network (IGN) and were approached by NSA to be their main global wiretap corporation, they instead sold off the entire network, staff and assets to AT&T.
    This gave AT&T access to the internet backbone on a global scale in every country on the planet.

    Just saying...

  26. Have Workorders by Gallomimia · · Score: 1

    We have the workorders for that installation of this program. This is not news. The documents garnishing further proof is "of interest" at best. Slashdot going down hill like the Roman Empire and the American Hegemony.

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    Sadly, a Libertarian cannot force his views on another, and freedom cannot spread as does the cancer known as religion.
  27. Re: "One document reminds NSA officials to be pol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A stopped calendar? Fuck is a stopped calendar

  28. Yes they are still in operation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Been there and still there since 2007. Redundant splitters one hop up from the telco border router from ATT's mail sub-contracted to Yahoo. 55 Marietta Suite 500 Atlanta, GA 30303

    NSA local listening post is right next door to a large ATT building right off of I-85.

  29. Re:"One document reminds NSA officials to be polit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right, because a third-rate writer put some words in the mouth of a cardboard character that represents all she despised, that has something to do with reality?