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Mozilla Tests Improved Privacy Mode For Firefox

An anonymous reader writes: Firefox's privacy mode stops your computer from keeping track of where you've browsed, but it doesn't do anything about external tracking. A new feature just rolled out to the Developer Edition and the Aurora channel now actively tries to block online services from tracking you. "Our hypothesis is that when you open a Private Browsing window in Firefox you're sending a signal that you want more control over your privacy than current private browsing experiences actually provide." The feature uses a blocklist maintained by Disconnect.me to stop you from navigating to sites known to log your personal data.

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  1. Is it just me... by JMJimmy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    or does this seem like an ass backwards way of "protecting" privacy?

    1. Re:Is it just me... by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you want to visit porn websites that have an anal sex category, ass backwards is what you need.

    2. Re:Is it just me... by JMJimmy · · Score: 2

      Or the "privacy mode" that recorded sites you visited with blocked plugins: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/s... - oh wait, it still does that.

    3. Re:Is it just me... by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      I'd say the problem with FF isn't privacy, which there are several excellent plugins like NoScript that can help with that, its the security which IMHO is still really piss poor.

      Why is security in FF and pretty much every browser based on gecko bad? Its really very simple in FF and the other Gecko browsers everything you do in FF has the same permissions as the user which considering that the #1 attack vector by far is the browser? That's not just a dumb idea, its downright dangerous.The sad part is it should be a pretty easy fix for the devs, Windows has had support for browsers running in Low Rights Mode since Windows Vista. They can't even argue that LRM isn't cross platform as the changes to support LRM in Windows should translate to AppArmor in Linux thus helping improve security on both sides of the aisle, yet despite this Gecko is the only current browser that doesn't support LRM which I would argue makes it probably the most dangerous browser you can run. All the Chromiums, as well as IE and Edge? They all run by default in LRM and anybody who knows anything about security knows that you should always run software with the least permissions required to perform the task.

      Considering how many Firefox exploits we have had of late its just mind boggling why they insist on running the browser with higher permissions than is required.

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  2. Start with "Normal Mode" by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Our hypothesis is that when you open a Private Browsing window in Firefox you're sending a signal that you want more control over your privacy than current private browsing experiences actually provide."

    I'd say people want more control over their privacy even when they aren't going full-tilt in Private Browser Mode.
    You know what a contributing factor is in loss of privacy? A browser that has web services and features built-in that rely on third-party companies.

    1. Re: Start with "Normal Mode" by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 2

      To be fair, that's not true at all.

      They've changed a lot. They're worst than before.

    2. Re:Start with "Normal Mode" by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      Right. Start with things like randomising the list of fonts that you claim is installed (or only advertise the web fonts set on every Firefox install). Don't allow JavaScript to enumerate plugins, unless on trusted sites. Don't allow JavaScript to tell whether a link has been coloured as followed (including when rendering via a canvas!).

      Incorporate the self-destructing cookies plugin by default: cookies are automatically deleted when you leave a page, unless you explicitly opt in to keeping them (the plugin also has a nice undo mode, where the cookies are not actually deleted, they're just not made available to the web site, so you can later decide that you did want to keep them if something on the site stops working). That plugin is the reason that I use Firefox on Android. Make it more of a selling point.

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    3. Re:Start with "Normal Mode" by Barefoot+Monkey · · Score: 2

      I'd love a "keep cookies until" setting that behaves similarly to sessionStorage: every tab gets its own cookie jar which lasts until the tab closes, but the jar can be shared in certain situations (middle-clicking on a link to the same domain, for example). There are a number of policy details to get right to make this non-intrusive, but I believe this is the way to go.

  3. Firefox only pays lip service to privacy by BringMyShuttle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You can dig deep into your about:config settings and fix it there ((sorry - setting so obscure can't remember it! You might find it to turn it off but Grandmama won't)) and you are right!!! Firefox only pays lip service to privacy. And like their tieup with Adobe DRM https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-c..., their advertising page for "partners" http://adexchanger.com/ad-exch..., targeting you for advertising based on your browsing http://www.pcworld.com/article..., and now Disconnect.me, they're doing favors for businesses. Google was paying Firefox $300M a year http://www.webmonkey.com/2011/... before they pulled the plug and Firefox reached a deal with Yahoo, and they switched searches to Yahoo -- not because it was the better search engine, but because Yahoo was giving them cash http://tech.slashdot.org/story...

    Firefox has become a megacorporation. They are not for profit http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb... so that money doesn't to shareholders but it goes SOMEWHERE like executive salaries and just like a megacorporation they care more about cutting deals with other businesses than they do the public because we are not their customers. They are!

    1. Re:Firefox only pays lip service to privacy by narcc · · Score: 2

      privacy.trackingprotection.enabled

      That took all of two seconds to find by typing "privacy" in about:config.

      As a bonus, you can toggle privacy.donottrackheader.enabled to true for a faster browsing experience.

    2. Re:Firefox only pays lip service to privacy by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      Yes. We get it. You are an idiot. There is no reason to go out of your way to keep broadcasting the fact.

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  4. Desperation due to FF's collapsing marketshare? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm beginning to think that maybe, just maybe, panic has started to set in at Mozilla. They're starting to see that Firefox's marketshare has fallen through the floor.

    We're talking about a browser that once had over 30% of the market reduced down to around 9% lately. Firefox for Android has been an abject failure at around 0.15% of the market. There's no presence on iOS. Firefox OS is totally irrelevant.

    Chrome for Android alone has about twice as many users as all versions of Firefox have! iOS Safari has about the same number of users that Firefox does. IE 11 alone has almost as many users, and that's even after IE has suffered a similar freefall from its once lofty heights. Firefox's numbers are even approaching those of Opera Mini!

    Mozilla only has any relevance today because of Firefox. We see very little use of Mozilla's other offerings. Thunderbird saw some use, until Mozilla essentially put it on life support. Firefox OS has been a complete failure. Bugzilla is seen as old and outdated. Servo is embryonic, and unusable. Rust was infected by Ruby hypesters fleeing the sinking Ruby on Rails ship, and took forever to get even a mediocre 1.0 release out.

    Although Mozilla hasn't seemed too willing to acknowledge the massive problem facing Firefox, maybe it's finally starting to sink in. Maybe they've finally realized that when a browser has 30% of the market, then 25%, then 20%, then 15%, then 12%, and now only 9%, something is wrong.

    When it gets to the point that almost nobody is using Firefox, Mozilla will lose what little influence they have left. The only reason that they have any influence today is because of their past success with Firefox, but that was an increasingly long time ago. Will Yahoo keep throwing money at Mozilla when Firefox only has 1% or less of the market? It's doubtful!

    Maybe they're starting to realize the disaster that awaits them, as an organization. I think we're starting to see them panic. Instead of listening to their users, they're throwing shit against the wall in a frenzy, trying to see what sticks. That's what the ads in Firefox have been about. That's what Pocket has been about. That's what Hello has been about. That's what junk like this is about. It's just one knee-jerk reaction after another, as it becomes clearer and clearer that the future of Firefox and Mozilla is looking bleaker and bleaker.

    I wanted to see Mozilla succeed. They used to be a very respected organization, up there with the FSF and the Apache project. Yet they've done so much to drive away so many of Firefox's users. Their smugness has become their undoing, throwing them into the self-destructive spiral we see now. The worst part is that none of this was necessary! If only they had listened to Firefox's users, rather than forcing one shitty thing after another upon these users, then Mozilla wouldn't be in such a bad position today. Firefox would still be seen as an innovative, powerful browser that people want to use, rather than the mockery and the awful Chrome imitation that it has become today. It didn't have to be like this!

    1. Re:Desperation due to FF's collapsing marketshare? by narcc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It lost a lot of share to Chrome because,well, Chrome was better. Rather than standing still, FireFox has been improving steadily for years, I'd recommend it over Chrome today.

      Then you have the noisy idiots. That's mostly Slashdot, but the stupidity tends to spread like spilled ink. Privacy hawks bitch and moan over things that often aren't even true, then recommend the worst browser on the market in terms of privacy (see above). Take a look at the prefetch flap-up further down the front page, the reality is so far away from the nonsense that dominates that thread it boarders on the absurd. More commonly, you'll hear about the mysterious memory leak issues (many of which simply didn't exist) from a bygone era. Times have changed, kids, get with it.

      The weirdest of all, naturally, is the bitching and moaning over Australis. So upset these yahoos are over the change that they vow to switch to Chrome. No, I'm not kidding. I'll bet a nickle you'll find one in this thread.

      I've been recommending FF for XP users over Chrome for a while because it was undeniably better on those older machines. I've been recommending it now because it's better everywhere else now as well. (Cue the "no it's not because of minor feature x" comments.) That it's also better for philosophical reasons is a nice bonus.

      Chrome gained market share because people like you and I recommend it over the alternatives. We recommended it because it was, hands-down, the best browser on the market. Times have changed. Rather than bitching and moaning about how it's not perfect, pushing people away from such an incredibly important product, we should instead promote it as the better browser. FF will regain market share the same way it lost it.

      (There are other factors that may help that shift along. Kids have already started to discover that a lot of the games they play simply won't work on Chrome after they dropped NPAPI support. I've already noticed a shift to FF among that demographic in my tiny corner of the world.)

      I switched back to FF about a year ago when they updated the UI. I stayed with it because it performed noticeably better than Chrome. Why wouldn't I recommend it over the privacy nightmare that is Chrome?

  5. Re:Ain't Gonna Happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Chrome is the herpes of web browsing.

  6. Re:Ain't Gonna Happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Spied on faster, get Chrome.