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Health Watchdog To Bring Legal Action Against Soylent Over Lead, Cadmium Levels

An anonymous reader writes: We've previously discussed Soylent, the self-proclaimed "meal replacement." The product has not been without controversy, and now it's likely to see some more: As You Sow, a non-profit foundation dedicated to corporate responsibility, plans to bring legal action against Soylent for failing to provide sufficient warning about the amount of lead and cadmium in it. They allege that a serving of Soylent contains 12 to 25 times the concentration of lead at which point consumers in the state of California must be warned. The concentration of cadmium, they say, is four times the current maximum. Soylent has acknowledged the results of heavy metal tests but says the levels present in Soylent are not toxic. As You Sow maintains that Soylent's marketing focus on replacing food suggests chronic exposure, which is more of an issue than an occasional indulgence.

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  1. As a chemist, I have something to say. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    | "Nobody expects heavy metals in their meals," said Andrew Behar, CEO of As You Sow.

    As a chemist, I can tell you that heavy metals are everywhere. If you don't expect that in your food, you are not good at chemistry. It is the concentration that matters. Even table salt at too high concentration is toxic. I don't care much about the California's safety standard. As long as the heavy metal concentrations are lower than our local standard, I am fine with it.

    1. Re:As a chemist, I have something to say. by Smidge204 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Except, unlike table salt which is water soluble and excess is quickly eliminated from your body, heavy metals tend to accumulate. Small, repeated doses over a long period of time can accumulate toxic levels in your body tissues.

      You're right that exposure is unavoidable, but they set exposure limits for a reason.
      =Smidge=

    2. Re:As a chemist, I have something to say. by jpatters · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You are correct that heavy metals are everywhere. However, we can't trust corporations to self police, so we have government set limits. It is reasonable for the limits to be more strict with respect to a product that is marketed as a replacement for all of your meals, such as Soylent. Contrast this with tuna fish and mercury content, which is considered to be at acceptable levels when eaten occasionally.

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    3. Re:As a chemist, I have something to say. by Jamu · · Score: 5, Funny

      nobody expects toxic heavy metal! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and density...density and surprise.... Our two weapons are density and surprise...and ruthless toxicity.... Our three weapons are density, surprise, and ruthless toxicity...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our four...no... Amongst our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as density, surprise.... I'll come in again.

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    4. Re:As a chemist, I have something to say. by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

      As a chemist, I can tell you that heavy metals are everywhere. If you don't expect that in your food, you are not good at chemistry. It is the concentration that matters. Even table salt at too high concentration is toxic. I don't care much about the California's safety standard. As long as the heavy metal concentrations are lower than our local standard, I am fine with it.

      You want to eat more heavy metals!!! Strange person, I personally would go with the stricter standard until I knew exactly how those standards were derived at which point I'd go with the more precise standard if I thought it was safe.

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    5. Re:As a chemist, I have something to say. by trout007 · · Score: 2

      I find this comment hysterical because it wasn't the FDA that found this out but a private watchdog company. That's how the free market works. You don't have to trust companies to self regulate. The best sources of wrong doing will always come from competitors, disgruntled employees, or consumer advocates.

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    6. Re:As a chemist, I have something to say. by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      As a chemist, I can tell you that heavy metals are everywhere. If you don't expect that in your food, you are not good at chemistry. It is the concentration that matters. Even table salt at too high concentration is toxic. I don't care much about the California's safety standard.

      Here's the chart that shows the levels.

      For perspective, the EFSA Panel on Contaminants in the Food Chain has set 2.5 micrograms/kg body weight as a tolerable weekly intake for humans. If you eat soylent for every meal, you have exceeded the recommended intake unless you weigh 400 pounds or something.

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    7. Re: As a chemist, I have something to say. by by+(1706743) · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Raising a dimensional quantity to a power doesn't always make sense -- since [whateverthefuck] = [micrograms/serving], [whateverthefuck^9] = [something silly].

      And if you want to do this as relative amount (0.1 meaning ten percent, etc.), then raising it to the ninth power makes it smaller, which isn't exactly what you intended.

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  2. Lead in Soylent? That explains a bit. by dfenstrate · · Score: 5, Funny

    There was an article about the founder's cockamamie personal habits, such as ordering new clothes from China constantly (and never washing anything) as well as other eccentric behavior.
    Lead poisoning might explain it.

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    1. Re:Lead in Soylent? That explains a bit. by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Funny
      1. Well at least we'd know they eat their own dogfood and

      2. The warning should be Charlton Heston saying "Soylent is lead and cadmium! IT'S LEAD AND CADMIUM!"

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  3. Well I Guess Charlton Heston was Wrong by DoktorMidnight · · Score: 3, Funny

    Soylent Green is made of heavy metals, not people. Though admittedly the latter made for a better movie.

  4. why not eat dog kibble? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why not eat dog kibble? I mean that is what this stuff is, "human" dog kibble.

    Good luck on your bringing your date over to your flat for dinner as well. Especially when she asks you what is for dinner and you bust out your soylent. That is when your date laughs at you, goes across the road to the bar and finds a man that you know, can actually cook a meal.

    There is no reason to eat this garbage, learn how to prepare a meal for yourself. I know your mother never let you near the stove until you were 25 or something, but now is the time to learn how to use a kitchen knife as well as vi and stop over processed poisons.

    1. Re:why not eat dog kibble? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      some people choose to get their nourishment from something different than the same old type of shit humans have been eating since the stone age... baw.

      We co-evolved with our food. It's been optimized for us, and we for it. You can experiment with changing over to something that only slightly resembles it, but don't expect that experiment to go well. We consider ourselves to be some of the most adaptable creatures on the planet, and we might be right, but major adaptation (such as to significantly different temperatures, or elevations) tends to take generations at a minimum — even when it's not very many of them.

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    2. Re:why not eat dog kibble? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Good luck on your bringing your date over to your flat for dinner as well. Especially when she asks you what is for dinner and you bust out your soylent.

      I think the point is to eat it when you are in a hurry, but mature people realize it doesn't need to be eaten for every meal. When your boyfriend comes over to your flat, you can still cook for her.

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    3. Re:why not eat dog kibble? by war4peace · · Score: 2

      We didn't evolve to eat pizza, pasta, donuts and all the rest of the crap that the average person brings home from the store.

      Yeah, and that makes everyone fatter.
      http://www.livescience.com/468...

      Damn right we didn't evolve to eat all that crap.

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  5. But this is California, so of course it's stupid by Kludge · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but they set exposure limits for a reason.

    These are based on "exposure limits" set by the state of California. California requires warnings about metal concentrations on virutally ALL FOOD, making these warnings stupid and useless. Read the related links and you will learn something.

  6. Re: Huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Only because those people ate soylent. Which was made from other people who ate soylent. Yup, it's soylent all the way down.

  7. Re:So what ingredient has all that cadmium? by wbr1 · · Score: 2

    It seems to be a lot from the spreadsheet so I wonder how it gets in. What ingredient has all that cadmium?

    People?

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  8. Re:But this is California, so of course it's stupi by Smidge204 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    California requires warnings about metal concentrations on virutally ALL FOOD

    Good. I don't see why that makes the warning useless; the effects are cumulative and people need constant reminders that they are being exposed. It keeps manufacturers and third party groups on the ball for monitoring levels to catch cases where exposure is unreasonably high.
    =Smidge=

  9. Re:But this is California, so of course it's stupi by smallfries · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People do not respond to constant reminders - they blank them out as irrelevant background noise. As such they are then more useless than appropriate warnings. As an example: there are no foods in the UK that are not labeled "may contain traces of nuts".

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  10. Re:But this is California, so of course it's stupi by rgmoore · · Score: 3, Informative

    California requires warnings about metal concentrations on virutally ALL FOOD

    No, it doesn't. There are two requirements for labeling. Individual food items that require labels have to have them, and anyone shopping can see that only a tiny fraction of the items are labeled. There's also a requirement that the entrance to the store have a label if any food item requires one. Since most food stores carry at least one item that requires a warning, almost all stores require one. That might make you think that all food requires labeling, but that impression is incorrect.

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  11. Re:Huh by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Funny

    I never knew people were made of lead and cadmium.

    People are really high on the food chain. Similar to swordfish and sharks, humans tend to accumulate high concentrations of heavy metals.

    The FDA recommends that pregnant women avoid eating people at all, and most others should limit themselves to one or two servings per week.

  12. Re:Huh by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    People are really high on the food chain. Similar to swordfish and sharks, humans tend to accumulate high concentrations of heavy metals.

    No wonder people are so dense most of the time.

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  13. Re:dislike soya by war4peace · · Score: 2

    "Soy Milk" is just milk saying its name in Spanish.

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  14. Transmissible spongiform encephalopathy by handy_vandal · · Score: 2

    True, we are apex predators, and thus apex toxin accumulators.

    But heavy metals and other accumulative toxins are not the reason that pregnant women -- or anyone, for that matter -- should not eat people. I haven't run the numbers, but I'm pretty sure that you won't ingest that much cadmium and whatever, even if human flesh is your primary food source.

    The real peril is Transmissible spongiform encephalopathy -- "Mad Human Disease" -- which begins with a single strand of broken protein.

    Also, social-evolutionary pressures tend to work against cannibalism, in the long run. Maybe. I hope.

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