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Data-Crunching Could Kill Your Downtime At Work

An anonymous reader writes: How many of you are reading this at work? One of the unspoken perks of many white collar jobs is that you can waste time while still appearing productive. Workplaces are aware that this goes on, and they police it to some extent by blocking Facebook or simply looking over your shoulder — but there's only so much they can do. The new generation of workplace analytics software is starting to change that. "Employers of all types — old-line manufacturers, nonprofits, universities, digital start-ups and retailers — are using an increasingly wide range of tools to monitor workers' efforts, help them focus, cheer them on and just make sure they show up on time." This inevitably leads to the question: does cracking the whip more often actually increase productivity? To hear the makers of this software tell it, the value is almost limitless, and it will never be misused to micromanage your job. But the article lacks any independent support for that idea, and I'm sure many of you could provide examples where time-keeping software has only been a hindrance.

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  1. What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    100% productivity isn't even a good ideal. Past a certain point you get overwhelmingly diminishing returns in quality.

  2. We need more carrot, not more stick by swb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with what boils down to browbeating by analytics is that it's still too much stick, not enough carrot (and the bullshit perks like a closer parking spot or free cafeteria tokens don't count).

    American business has reaped huge productivity gains from its white collar workforces through computers, networking and telecommunications, both intrinsic gains (more output from the same effort) and structural gains (getting productivity where it would otherwise wouldn't have, like laptops in planes/hotels/homes, smartphone messaging, etc). And workers really haven't seen any income improvement from these productivity gains. You might make some side arguments that remote work enables leisure time that might otherwise be spent at a desk, but I think the reality is that pure leisure time has been degraded by electronic tethers.

    In addition, business has reaped gains by other forms of wage suppression like offshoring and outsourcing to H1Bs, which probably has had a productivity increase by simply ratcheting up the fear factor and making employees less demanding of wage increases.

    I'm pretty sure that global economic realities will allow employers to continue this trend, but I think they will facing rapid diminishing returns on their efforts. I can whip my dog and get some control over him, but ultimately he will stop doing anything useful. I'm much better off positively reinforcing the behaviors I want.

    All of this reminds me of an apocryphal saying I was told was attributed to Soviet era workers. "They can never pay me less than I can work."

    1. Re:We need more carrot, not more stick by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem with what boils down to browbeating by analytics is that it's still too much stick

      It also presumes you actually know what to analyze. Where your support staff really 'off task' for an hour because they did not close any tickets or draft any advisory documents or did they have an adhoc meeting where someone came up with a good idea for a process improvement that they can take to management later?

      If you metric everything to the point the adhoc does not occur you might be missing out value you don't know how to measure.

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    2. Re:We need more carrot, not more stick by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem with what boils down to browbeating by analytics is that it's still too much stick

      It also presumes you actually know what to analyze. Where your support staff really 'off task' for an hour because they did not close any tickets or draft any advisory documents or did they have an adhoc meeting where someone came up with a good idea for a process improvement that they can take to management later?

      If you metric everything to the point the adhoc does not occur you might be missing out value you don't know how to measure.

      You have hit the nail on the head: People confuse data with information and assume because they have more data they are making smarter decisions. It will be easy to flay the "5 minutes a day" but then counter with the "but I stayed an hour later on such and such days..." and simply spend more unproductive time arguing over the validity of the data and its relevance. In auditor, simply measuring activity doesn't tell what the results were. I might stare at the ceiling for 4 hours, visualizing actually what needs to be done in engagement, while apparently doing nothing and then sit down and write the 10 page proposal in 1 draft. Do I now need to randomly bang away at the keyboard, increasing the time to produce the product because my train of thought is interrupted? People think answers lie in more data and companies are glad to sell them that, when the real answer is more thoughtful analysis of what you had and not making it harder by adding more noise in the form of more data.

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    3. Re:We need more carrot, not more stick by tlhIngan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you metric everything to the point the adhoc does not occur you might be missing out value you don't know how to measure.

      Even worse, you get what you measure.

      If, for example, you measure keystrokes, then you'll find productivity "went up" according to the keystroke measure. But real productivity probably went down because as anyone knows, it's trivial to write a load of crap. Or even worse, just have someone retype a bunch of crap because it counts as more "productivity" than using copy-and-paste.

      The real problem is productivity isn't measurable. So people use all sorts of proxy methods, all of which are extremely poor proxies. And crunching garbage data produces garbage, thanks to that old time computer idiom, garbage in, garbage out.

      It also doesn't take long before people figure out how to game the system, either, by looking at the proxies and doing just that.

      Heck, remember when lines of code was the proxy to measure programmer productivity? Yeah, you can see what happened.

    4. Re:We need more carrot, not more stick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Responsiveness to emails or IMs is one such proxy. If you want to know if I am sitting on my hands doing nothing, time how long it takes for me to respond to emails and IMs. If you get responses nigh immediately, I'm actually goofing off. If it's a few hours, or I don't notice your IM, it's because I'm working my ass off.

      But others judge you on that. They love you when you have nothing to do, and hate you for having and doing work. If you want to get into management you have to worry about that. You avoid having substantial tasks on your plate so that you can keep people happy. CC all asking others what they are doing while not producing anything yourself so people see your name on an email thread and know you're working, and soon that will be your job, and you move up the ladder.

      Perform labor, and you'll forever remain labor. Also you'll have to make something up to put on your timesheets when it's slow. If you ask for more, you'll be penalized because you were waiting to be able to perform another task and two threads will demand your full attention immediately and all others will see is unresponsiveness.

      The fact that anyone can spend all day sending useless emails kinda scares me away from trying to be a pointy headed boss. The plentiful supply of such people makes me feel it would become a pain endurance contest that I would lose.

      I remember making endless excuses and telling many lies an breaking promises to reform as a child in response to being bugged to do my homework or chores. I made the life decision to grow out of it and produce for real. I was lured into this because having a good reputation lets you get away with more goofing off in the long run. But perhaps this is truly lazy.

      Sometimes I regret changing my lifestyle because I was pretty good at it. I see that people who behave that way as adults in the real world have their lies covered by others and rise.

  3. Intagibles by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder how carefully this stuff will consider the intangibles. How busy my team is or isn't often depends on how much selling the sales force have or have not does. I know for example if we are having a slow week. We might all go out to lunch together. It will take more than the allotted hour and nobody really cares. The flip side is when we are having a busy week and we have to work through lunch to keep up, no time for Slashdot etc; we don't feel like we are being shit on, at least I don't and I assume that goes for the others.

    Optimizing away all the downtime at work sounds like a way to ensure employee burn out. I don't think just giving people more vacation would fix the problem either. Sometime what someone really needs is just to space out for 20min, drink some coffee and come back at it. Nobody is going punch out to do that. Its just going result in people being more stressed and likely less productive.

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  4. So what. by kqc7011 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Where management has decreed that there will not be any thing other than work on the company computers, the heads of those workers will be down looking at their smart phones.

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  5. Depends on what you do with the data by allquixotic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It all depends on what you do with the data. The mere act of passively collecting the data is relatively benign, assuming that no action is ever taken with it and that it's securely stored away so that it can't be exfiltrated or abused. There ARE privacy concerns with this, of course, but most corporate networks explicitly state that users should have no expectation of privacy.

    If your boss receives an email for every 5 minutes you spend on Slashdot or Reddit or Anandtech, and marches down to your cube and sternly tells you to get back on task, that solution will only improve productivity in the very near term. The worker will fear for their job, so they'll do their work more and go off-task less. But that will stop being effective as soon as the worker can leave to find another job, or come up with an alternative way to go off-task while avoiding detection, or half-heartedly do their work in a way that appears to show progress but isn't really (e.g. gaming the metrics). The end-game of "cracking the whip" is almost never a worker who willingly spends less time doing whatever they really would rather be doing besides working and suddenly enjoys their work more.

    If, however, you collect all the data in aggregate and then discuss it during their annual performance review, and have it play a factor in their compensation, that could definitely be a strong motivator for people not to be off-task: if they associate slacking off with getting lower raises / bonuses / etc. and steady work output with higher compensation, most people will probably try to slack off *less*, at least. It also has the side effect of saving the company some money by being able to justify not giving a raise to someone who spends most of their time slacking off.

    Either way, though, there is always going to be a way to game the system. If they track you at the network level, just use a proxy or VPN to an address that looks like it's on-task, or is too vague to get a sense of what exactly it is (e.g., since many sites use EC2 or S3 to serve content for all sorts of purposes, there's not a lot you can say about whether traffic to an EC2 box is business-related - maybe they're doing actual research for their white collar job?). If they're keylogging, set up a VM and plug in a USB keyboard straight into the VM. If you have decent cellular data at your desk, you could do your thing on a smartphone, assuming you can tolerate the display and input device limitations. Or of course you can just take frequent breaks into a hallway or empty conference room and use your own laptop/tablet/smartphone.

    The only way to truly keep white-collar workers on task for 8 solid hours per day is to assign one supervisor per worker bee, but the overhead of that proposition is so high that no one will do it, because the costs will far outweigh the benefits.

    Or there's Manna, http://marshallbrain.com/manna... which could be a possible future if AI or a close-enough approximation thereof turns out to be feasible.

    1. Re:Depends on what you do with the data by LokiSteve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I see a lot of these comments assuming that there is an infinite workload. Many knowledge based jobs are task driven and there is downtime while you're waiting for the next task. As long as that time isn't spent doing something detrimental or offensive, I don't see why it should be looked down on.

      Example being, if I spend the time while waiting on a quote from vendor reading about technology trends or just the news, I don't see a big deal. If I'm reading MLP fan fic, well, then, I can see my manager taking a walk down the hall.

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  6. If you (or your software) needs to do this... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ... something is wrong in your workplace.

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    If you need to have software that constantly looks over employees' shoulders and cheers them on, then you need to treat the root cause of your employees' dissatisfaction with the workplace. The software will only dump salt into a festering wound.

    1. Re:If you (or your software) needs to do this... by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And at a certain point you have to realize the people in these jobs are humans, need to stop and catch their breath, think for a bit, stretch, pee, and interact with their colleagues.

      Any corporation trying to achieve 100% engagement all day every day has no concept of the kinds of tasks their employees do and will only make productivity worse by trying to do it.

      My general belief is the more a company uses metrics the worse it is to work for.

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  7. Which is why I don't like BYOD by Virtucon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These kinds of systems are great for bean counters but lousy for workers. We're not digging ditches or plowing fields. Breathing room is expected with white collar positions and beware of companies with intrusive systems in a Bring Your Own Device bargain. Bring your own device gives them flexibility but also the same kinds of tracking that can be used on a desktop. So now your private tablet or smart phone can be used by your employer to track you as well, fuck that. Bring your tablet,bring your own 4G network connection and do your browsing on that device. Don't let your company put it's crap on your private device under any circumstance. You can access e-mail through web portals, they can send text messages and that's all they need to do and all you should be able to need.

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  8. Re:Thanks for the clickbait DICE! by NatasRevol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I solve half my problems by taking a short break & letting my brain work on it in the background. Not to mention finding out all kinds of new & interesting info, a fair bit of which is applicable to my job.

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  9. Gaming aside it would probably be harmful by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People just cannot remain 100% focused and productive 100% of the time. It doesn't work that way. Never has in human history, never will. Thus if you try to force that, all you'll do is burn people out. So in the long run, it'll just decrease productivity over all. Better to have people able to goof off, take breaks, and then get back on task then just getting frazzled, working at low efficiency, and staring off in to space.

  10. Re:Thanks for the clickbait DICE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When you run out of working memory, you need the garbage collector to kick in, which requires a stop world. Which is why I'm on /. right now.

  11. Re:Thanks for the clickbait DICE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Grammar fail, dude! Your missing a comma.

    Pedantry fail, dude! You're missing an apostrophe and an e!

    I think you meant to say: You're missing a comma.