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Google Announces a Router: OnHub

An anonymous reader writes: Google has announced they're working with TP-LINK to build a new router they call OnHub. They say it's designed for the way we tend to use Wi-Fi in 2015, optimizing for streaming and sharing in a way that older routers don't. The router has a cylindrical design and comes with a simple, user-friendly mobile app. They say, "OnHub searches the airwaves and selects the best channel for the fastest connection. A unique antenna design and smart software keep working in the background, automatically adjusting OnHub to avoid interference and keep your network at peak performance. You can even prioritize a device, so that your most important activity — like streaming your favorite show — gets the fastest speed." The device will cost $200, it supports Bluetooth Smart Ready, Weave, and 802.15.4, and it will automatically apply firmware updates.

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  1. automatically install firmware updates by Nyder · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess nothing would go wrong with "automatically installing firmware updates".

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    1. Re:automatically install firmware updates by linuxguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Like with most things, there are pros and cons for this sort of thing. If you leave the automatic updates "OFF" by default, majority or users will not bother with updates on routers and when a vulnerability is discovered, crackers have a field day. By leaving them "ON" by default, but allowing concerned users to turn them off, perhaps you get to a reasonable medium.

    2. Re:automatically install firmware updates by ADRA · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Probably not considering they do it already with phones, nexus players, chomecasts, etc.. Though I do hope they have a fallback partition / auto-recovery in the case of things going south. I probably won't be buying one as I have a good setup already, but depending on how its implemented, I could see recommending this to the aunt betsy's of the world.

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    3. Re:automatically install firmware updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you look at Chromecast, the vast majority of silent upgrades went smoothly.

      If you look at Windows, the vast majority of automatic updates went smoothly. But "vast majority" for a very large user base still leaves a significant amount of users with problems. As has been discussed here many times.

    4. Re:automatically install firmware updates by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you look at Chromecast, the vast majority of silent upgrades went smoothly.

      This is small consolation to those who have their PC or router hammered by an update that doesn't work.

      If they had some mechanism for a fail-safe recovery then I'd be much more inclined to agree with the "turn upgrades on by default" scenario, but it doesn't appear they have anything like that in place.

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    5. Re:automatically install firmware updates by Krojack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What would be different from auto updating vs. everyone manually updating? You would most likely get the exact same outcome. Vast majority will go smooth but some would fail.

  2. Re:Inject adds in my pron? by NatasRevol · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, they know your entire browsing history, regardless of cookies or adblock or anything else.

    Put a proxy in & they can even MITM your https connections.

    Now their data of you is worth a lot more to the advertisers. CPMs go way up. Google gets more $$.

    Alphabet gets to show why they're good at running companies.

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  3. Interesting, from someone other than Google. by ErikTheRed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's an interesting concept, but I don't think I want to turn my router over to a company like Google or Facebook that makes their money Hoovering up every last bit of data they can get about me.

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    1. Re:Interesting, from someone other than Google. by DigitAl56K · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I had the same initial reaction, but realistically I spend so much time on Android/Chrome/Google Docs/GMail/etc. already that avoiding OnHub will do nothing to stop Google knowing far too much about me. In many ways my phone is more sensitive than my router.

      My bigger worry is that Google will add whatever features it wants whenever it wants, and who knows how much control we'll have over any of it. Maybe they'll even start sharing your bandwidth to support things like Google Fi. What I've noticed through Android and all the supporting apps is Google just does whatever shit they want to. They don't even particularly seem to care if you like it, even if you're stuck with it for a long time, so long as it supports some long term goal they have, that they might not have even disclosed.

      So, if you're willing to spend $200 - the price of a high-end consumer router - to get some nice tech but be at the whim of Google, then maybe this is for you.

    2. Re:Interesting, from someone other than Google. by swillden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's an interesting concept, but I don't think I want to turn my router over to a company like Google or Facebook that makes their money Hoovering up every last bit of data they can get about me.

      From https://support.google.com/onh...: "the Google On app and your OnHub do not track the websites you visit or collect the content of any traffic on your network".

      As an aside, I suspect this sort of issue is part of the reason for the Alphabet reorganization. Too often, assumptions that Google's only business model is driven by data collection interfere with the launch of products which do not do any data collection. Alphabet may provide more flexibility to move those products out of Google, Inc. when it's helpful.

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  4. Oh hell no ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Right, like I trust Google to be my router/firewall ... no way in hell I'd let Google be the gatekeeper for the internet in my house.

    Because you can bet your ass they're going to get a lot more visibility into everything you do, and use it for their own purpose.

    And I'm sure it will be remotely accessibly when law enforcement demands it and introduce several new security holes as it tries to be so easy to use it fails utterly. Mark my words, this will cause a lot of new problems.

    I don't trust Google to do that at all. I use their services from a browser, but letting them be directly in charge of my network? No bloody way in hell.

    Their "do no evil" pledge means less with every passing year.

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  5. Of all the whining.... by gfxguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know this is the dumbest complaint about this device, but why circular? Why do these people design devices as if they'll be the only thing on our desks, shelves, whatever? There should be a new standard "desktop rack" that these devices can fit in.

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    1. Re:Of all the whining.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The circular was designed so you wouldn't stack other gear on top of it and block the signal.

    2. Re:Of all the whining.... by jfengel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And I gather it's intended to be attractive enough that you wouldn't mind making it visible. It's kind of a subtle clue to users who won't read the manual that it's a device that needs to "see", and thus will be seen.

    3. Re:Of all the whining.... by cbhacking · · Score: 3, Insightful

      they can make them circular and I could care less

      Wait, I'm confused. It sounds like you're trying to say you don't care, but then you say that care at least a little bit anyhow. Why do you care about that?

      This post brought to you courtesy of the word "not" (or contraction suffix "n't"): the three-character strings that literally completely reverse what you mean.

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  6. Re:Can it self restart? by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Go buy a Cisco router and the WIFI HWIC modules for it. Granted, you'll spend 10x what that consumer-grade POS costs and you'll have to spend a considerable amount of time learning how to properly configure and secure it, but it will be reliable. And 802.11g.

    I think the more relevant point the parent was trying to make here is the rest of that "consumer-grade POS" network hardware does not need to be rebooted on a regular basis, nor does it require a CCNA to set it up properly.

    And with the usage profile of the average 4-person household, one should not have to spend 10x the cost to procure hardware rated for 24/7 use and load rated for hundreds of users in order to gain a modicum of reliability.

  7. Automatic updates are better than no updates by Guspaz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I get that technically-oriented people like those on Slashdot are opposed to automatic updates, but this product isn't targeting you. Most people are going to get their wifi router either from their ISP (where the ISP will manage updates) or something they bought at BestBuy and never touched again after they got it working. Most people will never go out of their way to update anything unless it's either done for them automatically or they're prompted to do so.

    Wifi routers are absolutely a place where, for most people, security updates should happen automatically, because for most people, the alternative is for wifi routers to spend their entire lifetime running the same version they shipped with, whatever security updates that may entail.

  8. Read the specs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The router has 12 sectored antennas, 6 per frequency. The 6 antennas are arranged in pairs around a circle. This provides excellent "cell" isolation and better beam forming enhancement.

    It is an excellent design concept, even if it does make stacking and hiding less convenient. It is a design previously used only on VERY expensive WiFi gear targeted at VERY dense environments like conference halls and stadiums.

  9. Mom needs to use the thermostat and Youtube by raymorris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > The instructions for performing maintainence of my heat pump assume foundational HVAC knowledge, too. ...
    > But for some reason, computer/network gear, despite being many times more complex pieces of machinery, carry this expectation that a retard like your mom who can't even understand/remember/figure out clicking File and then Open should be able to fully understand them.

    The expectation is that mom can adjust the thermostat, without needing to know the differences between various types of refrigerants. Similarly, the goal is that she should be able to look at pictures of the grandkids without configuring ipv6.

    Because consumer routers are directly connected to the internet, with no firewall between the router and the net, regular updates are required these days. Mom should be able to use YouTube, and do so safely she needs regular updates on the router.

    Nerds like you and I can turn off those updates, install open-wrt, or whatever we want. Just like you CAN install a hotrod intake manifold, but doing so shouldn't be required in order to drive.