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New Genes May Arise From Junk DNA

An anonymous reader writes: Junk DNA (or noncoding DNA) is a term for section of a DNA strand that doesn't actually do much. Huge tracts of the human genome consist of junk DNA, and researchers are now finding that it may be more useful than previously thought. "For most of the last 40 years, scientists thought that [gene duplication] was the primary way new genes were born — they simply arose from copies of existing genes. The old version went on doing its job, and the new copy became free to evolve novel functions. Certain genes, however, seem to defy that origin story. They have no known relatives, and they bear no resemblance to any other gene. ... But in the past few years, a once-heretical explanation has quickly gained momentum — that many of these orphans arose out of so-called junk DNA."

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  1. This allows of big modifications by dargaud · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the properties of junk DNA is that it can endure brutal mutations since it's not used for anything. So over time it can change a LOT. Then suddenly another mutation suddenly activates it by mistake and *poof* you have a new magic super-power (more often than not, lethal). Starting from a crucial gene won't work since the slightest modification will reduce your survival rate, since by definition it's crucial.

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    1. Re:This allows of big modifications by argormar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is completely wrong. It is used for everything! Formerly called Junk DNA by ignorant people, it is now called Regulatory DNA. It is the code that calls the function calls that is the gene DNA. That is why the field is called Genomics now and not Genetics.

  2. I have a suspicion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I suspect that in the future, scientists will laugh at the notion of "junk DNA" and think of it as just as much of a myth as "you only use 10% of your brain".

    1. Re:I have a suspicion by known_coward_69 · · Score: 2

      same thing in other sciences. archeologists say anything unknown was a religious ritual. astronomy it is dark matter or something similar

    2. Re:I have a suspicion by kheldan · · Score: 2

      My impression of so-called 'junk DNA' is that they're like some conditional (if/then) statements in a programming language: the condition required to run that code may rarely, if ever, occur, therefore that code sits there 99.9999999999% of the time doing absolutely nothing. Except, of course, for that one time when it does run. We've made much progress in the last 100 or so years with regards to understanding the mechanisms of life, but we're far, far away still from understanding all of it.

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    3. Re:I have a suspicion by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Informative

      Scientists haven't thought "junk" DNA as junk for years. It's a shorthand expression for genes that have no obvious expression, though they've known for a long time that junk DNA may have regulatory functions, and that most certainly junk DNA is a potential seed bed of evolution because the likelihood of deleterious mutations in junk DNA sequences is much lower.

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    4. Re:I have a suspicion by blueg3 · · Score: 2

      astronomy it is dark matter or something similar

      Dark matter is not some astrophysics catch-all explanation. Dark matter and dark energy separately refer to a specific observed discrepancy for which we don't have an answer yet.

    5. Re:I have a suspicion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A better analogy might be huge blocks of code that's been commented out. It may have been unable once, and may be unable in the future but right now it can't do anything other than get copied along with everything else.

    6. Re:I have a suspicion by Triklyn · · Score: 2

      except that it's a physical system, and the commented sections may play a role in spacing, separation, structure, provide binding sites for regulatory proteins etc.

      just because it isn't transcribed doesn't mean it's not critical to proper function.

  3. Huh? by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What is heretical about novel new genes arising out of junk DNA? Molecular biologists have known for many years that so-called "junk" DNA played a number of roles; regulatory, and that most certainly novel genes could arise.

    Oh, I get it, this is the idiotss otherwise known as "scientific journalists" hyping up a rather unremarkable finding, and fixating on the word "junk" much as they, in ignorance and the need to sex up stories, concentrated on the word "God" in the "God particle"

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    1. Re:Huh? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What is heretical about novel new genes arising out of junk DNA?

      Labeling it "heresy" is just bad journalism. Biologists have long suspected that new genes could arise from "junk" DNA. The news is that now there is some actual evidence, rather than just conjecture.

    2. Re:Huh? by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Informative

      As I said, it's a fairly unremarkable finding. I remember references to junk DNA sequences having the potential to be expressed in the early 1990s.

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  4. Hubris by Saxen · · Score: 2

    ... is declaring something you don't understand "junk". I always found the concept of junk DNA to be unbelievably short-sighted.

    1. Re:Hubris by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's short hand. Scientists haven't thought of it literally as junk in many years. It's like "black hole" and "god particle", funny little shorthand references that don't necessarily reflect what researchers think at all.

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  5. Well no shit... by KlomDark · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's always been the key to genetic evolution. This is somehow new??

  6. Genetic spare parts? by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So basically there's a bunch of spare stuff laying about which, under the right circumstances, can actually change into something new and unexpected.

    This is good, because it means we have more potential than what we already have. It also explains why organisms aren't constrained by things which came before them.

    I still get the impression we still don't understand how all this works. Which is good. Because people start thinking science has answered everything, only to find out there's tons more to go.

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    1. Re:Genetic spare parts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We don't. We have laboriously identified the purpose of specific areas, but you can't a priori deduce the function of arbitrary DNA turned into a protein, and you can't currently simulate the working environment of the enzyme, or understand the full extent of the "reactome" chain of related processes and consequences of a particular change.

      Lots of what we have learned is transferred from in vivo experiments of gene suppression. Fortunately the massive similarity between many living organisms allows us to port over the results to organisms that are hard to experiment on.

  7. No such thing as junk DNA, known for ages now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The term Junk DNA is a laughing stock within the scientific community for ages now.

    It was 'blank slate' and 'we are all the same under the skin' retards pushing for such an ignorant assumption.

    We have known for a while now that essentially all non transcribing DNA is highly used as "regulator factors". This is the DNA that controls the transcribing DNA. You can think of the 'gene' DNA as function calls. The 'junk' DNA is the code that calls those function calls, where and when! It is the most important DNA in the end, as it controls the level of expression and timing of transcribing DNA, the whole LOGIC of the system.

    They don't call it genetics any more for a reason. They realized how ignorant it was to only look at Genes. Now it is called genomics, as in whole genome is important!

  8. Science is wrong but becomes less wrong over time by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So take your pick, is Einstein wrong

    Science proceeds toward understanding of nature that is less wrong* over time. So it's very probable that Einstein didn't have the whole story.

    Aristotle was wrong about the relationship between mass and acceleration due to gravity. Galileo Galilei proved him wrong. Galileo was wrong about gravity being independent of location. Isaac Newton proved him wrong. Newton was wrong about the effect of gravity at what we now call relativistic speeds. Albert Einstein proved him wrong. Einstein was still wrong about "God doesn't play dice with the world." Each of them stood on giants' shoulders to become less wrong.

    * Yes, "less wrong" is a thing. Assuming that "wrong" is an ungradable adjective like "unique", "perfect", and "parallel" is a fallacy.

  9. Re:Science is wrong but becomes less wrong over ti by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Likewise, NEWTON WAS NOT WRONG! That was the foundation for more than 200 years, from 1687 to 1915.

  10. And another 'heretic' theory... by Jesrad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... is that hybridization might play a very big role in the appearance of new species, in several different ways:
    - apomixis, producing some (most often aneuploid) news organism (which then clones itself indefinitely by fragmentation, budding or parthenogeny, becoming a distinct species all by itself)
    - polyploidization, where the different DNA sets just add up and coexist side by side (like in pretty much every angiosperm on the planet, and many other plants, as well as many fish, reptile and salamander species - like Ambystoma platineum)
    - symbiotic association, as seen in lichens and also in how mitochondria fused with bacteria into eukaryotes
    - recombinational stabilization (a.k.a allohomoploid nothospeciation), where the slightly mismatched chromosomes from different DNA sets of compatible but different species pair up into complex heteroduplexes that end up fragmenting or fusing chromosome segments when the first generation of hybrids starts mating - which very well might be how two chimpanzee's chromosomes fused into our own bigger Chromosome 2.

    In the cases mentioned of TFA some of the 'exotic' genes may be explained more simply as introgressions from a past hybridization event with a different species followed by backcrossing.

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  11. big surprise by holophrastic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    so I'm not carrying all this stuff for nothing. I'm so glad to be a member of a species that thought otherwise for so long. I like my appendix too, by the way, also the other 80% of my brain, thanks very much.

    1. Re:big surprise by ledow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Almost everything you can summarise in a line is bollocks news headlines. Science is, unfortunately, a lot more complicated than that.

      We (probably) use all our brain. Just not all on conscious intellectual thought. It's not hard to see that - cut into the brain and you ALWAYS lose something, it just might not be immediately obvious what.

      The appendix may well be a store of gut bacteria that reseeds the gut in the case of illness. Which kinda makes sense, the same way you save some of the cheese by-products to help make the next cheese. And also explains why when it blows it's quite so serious - it's basically an inactive mini-gut getting infected and exploding.

      It's just that it's hard to prove these things definitively because they were never DESIGNED to do that. They just happen to do so. And so they may be doing ten jobs well or one job badly or no jobs at all and it's incredibly difficult to say which for a global population at any static point in time.

      Similarly "junk" DNA is as it says - noncoding. We think. But it might be doing other stuff. Hell, it may just be purely structural, or it may be remnants of old coding, or it may just have got mixed in the same way you accidentally mix in insects into basically every foodstuff you eat (yes, literally) but because it "just works" and nobody notices, it doesn't really matter.

      Or, maybe, it's coding is not as simple as we expect. Nobody's every really SEEN things like DNA do their jobs. You can look at it, you can simulate it, but nobody really knows exactly what's going on in the millions of full strands inside a HUMONGOUS cell that replicates billions of times over in the space of a matter of months.

      The problem is that science is so complicated that you can't understand it, and headlines are all you pick up. How many moons does the Earth have? Depending on which scientists you ask, and which definition of "moon" you use, it can be zero, one, two, twenty-seven or hundreds. Nothing is as simple as you can explain in one sentence. Or even one article. Or even one research study and paper. Or even one field of expertise.

  12. junk may not really be junk by peter303 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Its just poorly understood DNA sections. The ENCODE project studied non-coding DNA and estimated that up 80% could be important. Some codes for RNA which until recently was hard to measure because it decays so rapidly. Some may encode for epigentic control like methlyation locations. Some may control the folding of histone-DNA complexs, forcing sections sections DNA to be nearly one another for reasons we dont understand yet.

    Clever biochemists will figure these out soon enough.

  13. Possibly labelled heresy because... by tlambert · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What is heretical about novel new genes arising out of junk DNA? Molecular biologists have known for many years that so-called "junk" DNA played a number of roles; regulatory, and that most certainly novel genes could arise.

    There is a small percentage of biologists which really, really would like acquired traits to be heritable (as a work study job in college, I worked in the lab of one of them, and we were cautioned not to talk about his theory outside the lab).

    Every so often, one of the proponents of the idea of heritable changes due to environmental pressure, or more formally, either Lysenkoism or Lamarckism, tries to find a mechanism that could make it work. Even though it's never been demonstrated (the biologist in the lab I worked at was attempting experiments with, among other things, chelodina longicolis diets, to force physical changes, which he hoped the offspring would inherit, even though not on that diet).

    This theory is what's known as "soft inheritance".

    The main premise for its development in the first place was that Joseph Stalin was all pissy about genetic being a non-Soviet idea, and wanted an nice, Soviet alternative that better fit the ideology he put forth. This actually influenced a lot of decisions in Soviet agriculture that didn't work out badly enough that they ended up importing wheat from the West.

    The last go-round was trying to use introns as a mechanism whereby he introns were involved in making traits heritable (and before that, it was endogenous viruses, such as PERV - Porcine Endogenous Retro Virus). Those were the main ones. The've also tried to explain it with varying degrees of gene methylation, and so on. Todays flavor is non-coding DNA (the correct scientific name for "junk genes").

    Unless the can demo it in plants, mice, or fruit flies, etc., don't expect that the idea will go anywhere directly.

    The sad part is, if they had concentrated on the punctuated equalibria model, which the article mentions, instead of trying to explain it as a short scale inheritable phenomenon, the might have had a really great argument.

    (Yes, I am in the 90% who are skeptical about this, without further evidence and perhaps a demo).

  14. siRNA mRNA miRNA circRNA not new by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    Basically, it's a frame shift method of writing code. If any of you had ever had to use old style 4 bit encoding schema to store data, you'd know that.

    It allows one set of instructions to adapt for different environmental conditions. We don't just bootstrap our DNA, we use it to fold and generate proteins when we need them, and then we discard it when we don't need it. But the instructions are still there.

    Now, that said, some of it is inserted viral code from infections, or instructions on how to grow gills, but at the rate we're going with overuse of fossil fuels, you might need that soon.

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  15. Re:Science is wrong but becomes less wrong over ti by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

    Aristotle was wrong about the relationship between mass and acceleration due to gravity. Galileo Galilei proved him wrong.

    IMHO, this is the birth of science, rather than an evolutionary step. For example, back in Aristotle's days, projectile motion was understood as straight-line motion, until the object "runs out of steam" (impetus) and drops straight down. The general idea was that knowledge comes from wise men and old books, rather than actually looking at the world. With that kind of a mindset, it's impossible for the knowledge to evolve in an objectively better direction. To me, Galileo's big idea was to try and take the human out of the loop, using precise and systematic experiments to gain more direct knowledge of the world.

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  16. and not just out of the 'junk' dna by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    Mosquitoes carry viruses between mammals. Some of these virus are mammal specific, but a number of unknown virus are transmitted regularly, that have cut sections of DNA from organism A and then inserts it into organism B via arthropod borne viruses. Interestingly, we do not look for these because they are asymptomatic. But, they still transfer large DNS sequences , with some genes, between us.

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