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Tiny Pebbles Built the Gas Giant Behemoths

Posted by samzenpus on from the building-blocks dept.

astroengine writes: Scientists have long puzzled over how gas planets like Jupiter and Saturn got to be so big. Current theories suggest the cores of these behemoths are comprised of mini-planets, some 62- to 620 miles in diameter, which collided and gradually merged together over time. But computer simulations show this process is more likely to produce hundreds of Earth-sized worlds. Instead, a new study suggests "slow pebble accretion" is a more likely process.

32 comments

  1. Just say by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Informative

    100 to 1000 km

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    1. Re:Just say by turbidostato · · Score: 2

      "some 62- to 620 miles in diameter"

      My thought too.

      "Wow! Planetary physics must be quite advanced if they can set such a precise margin!" Wait! or else... they *are* rounding up, only not in miles and astroengine is just making up numbers out of his ass.

    2. Re:Just say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For benefit of people outside the three remaining non-metric countries (US, Liberia, Burma), 620 miles is about 103/16ths million cuberoot-gallons.

    3. Re:Just say by Rob+Bos · · Score: 1

      brought to you by the same people who gave us 591ml bottles of liquid and 454g bricks of butter.

      I hope they find it annoying to be on the other side for a change.

  2. Magnetism by Henriok · · Score: 1, Troll

    Studies have also shown that magnetic forces might count for the majority of clumping of matter in sizes smaller than regular rocks. On those scales gravity doesn't do much, but magnetism can do plenty. And it wouldn't be strange for protoplanetary matter is magnetized since it's whirling around in the Sun's magnetic field.

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    1. Re:Magnetism by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 3, Funny

      Magnetized protoplanetary matter, how do they work?

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    2. Re:Magnetism by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      Well it would only be some metals that could be magnetised, not everything. But they could form small cores which then by gravitational accretion did the rest.

      Also static electricity has been mooted as a good way for dust grains to clue themselves together.

    3. Re:Magnetism by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      How is planet babby formed?

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    4. Re:Magnetism by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Funny

      When two planets truly love one another...

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    5. Re:Magnetism by Rei · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Even stony asteroids contain grains of metallic iron. Iron asteroids are, of course, predominantly iron-nickel alloy. And some of its oxides are even better candidates - most notably, magnetite. I was very surprised when I found that random pieces of basalt from my land were showing an easily measurable magnetic field, until it occurred to me that some percentage of the grains that make it up will naturally be magnetite.

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    6. Re:Magnetism by Rei · · Score: 2

      Not sure whether this or this is more appropriate ;)

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    7. Re: Magnetism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It isn't just magnetism, but a combination of magnetism and gravity. Gravity is plenty strong enough to affect things on that scale, but the problem is you end up with stuff orbiting in disks and eddies with no easy way for that material to shed momentum. Collisonal friction is slow at exchanging momentum compared to estimates formation times and observations of current accretion disks. However, the magnetorotation instability allows for quicker exchange of momentum, and for some material to move inwards (still requiring the gravity).

    8. Re: Magnetism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Dusty plasmas can be magnetized, and just require situations where the magnetic field is strong enough (or other effects weak enough) that the charged dust particles (or even just the smaller species) are affected significantly by the magnetic field. Look up what it takes for a plasma to be called magnetized, and see it has nothing to do with which elements are present.

    9. Re:Magnetism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plasmas become magnetized because they contain charged particles, not because the particles have a dipole moment, and it is just a matter of when the magnetic field is relevant or not.

  3. Hmmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's also how my belly got so big -- one beer at time.

  4. 62 to 620? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Without reading the article, I can guess that the original says 100 to 1000 km. When the write that they are giving just an idea of the diameter, so you can write 100 to 1000 miles. It is just a bit off, but the magnitudes are roughly the same and you don't get a false impression on the precision they had when they did the simulation.
    Or just use km and don't convert them to miles.

    1. Re:62 to 620? by Viol8 · · Score: 2

      Its also kind of insulting that submitters feel the people on a technology and science site are too stupid to understand distances in kilometers.

    2. Re:62 to 620? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insulting to assume stupidty, but reasonable to assume unfamiliarity. Anyway, grandparent has the right idea: It's an order of magnitude information, so "62 miles to 620 miles" is a bad translation from science to hillbilly.

    3. Re:62 to 620? by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      Anyone in science and tech who is unfamiliar with the metric system is in the wrong career.

    4. Re:62 to 620? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They probably wrote it in miles for the benefit of citizens of the three remaining non-metric countries: United States, Liberia, and Myanmar/Burma.

    5. Re:62 to 620? by KeensMustard · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the author is unfamiliar with metric but it does seem odd to assume that the readers of Slashdot would be unfamiliar with a system of measurement that most of us use every day. Even those of us who don't you would think would have a reasonable grasp of it.

  5. What about the gas giant behemoth slashdotters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cheetos built those.

  6. "Gas Giant Behemoths" . . . ? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 0, Troll

    . . . and silly me was thinking that this article would be about the Koch Brothers . . .

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  7. Don Ho Agrees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Beer, Free as in.

  8. Clarity by jbmartin6 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ohhhhh, sixty TWO miles! That's why my gas giant never worked!

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  9. Tiny Pebbles by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Tiny Pebbles Built the Gas Giant Behemoths

    I'd been wondering what Tiny Pebbles had been up to since he retired from rap music.

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    1. Re:Tiny Pebbles by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Damn, should have played it through to the end:

      Tiny Pebbles Built the Gas Giant Behemoths

      But they kicked him out of the band after their disastrous tour of Asia, and now he's suing for the royalties.

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  10. Discovery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought they just showed people fishing in Alaska, and rednecks squabbling over junked cars and self-storage lockers.

  11. Sure It Wasn't Bam-Bam?? by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

    Pebbles doesn't seem to be as strong and work-centric as Bam-Bam.

  12. Don Ho by boristdog · · Score: 0

    Does anyone else now have a Don Ho earworm?

    "Tiiiny Pebbles...In my planet..."

  13. Am I missing something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It started as tiny pebbles

    Couldn't have been 10-100km planets, that would make something else entirely

    So... it started as a tiny pebble, the gathered matter until it reached just under 10km in size... then... JUMPED to become 101km in size, and then continued on collecting matter?

    This is like telling me that butterflies were found to be born of eggs because simulations show caterpillars turn into chrysalises, not butterflies.