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MIT 3D Prints With Glass

An anonymous reader writes: MIT's Mediated Matter Group has published a paper and a video about their new technique for 3D printing with glass. The top part of their printer is a kiln that heats the glass to temperatures of approximately 1900 degrees Fahrenheit, causing it to melt. The molten glass is then passed through an alumina-zircon-silica nozzle, which moves just like an extruder on normal 3D printers. "The frame of the printer is constructed out of 80/20 aluminum stock and square steel tube. They used three independent stepper motors and a lead screw gantry system and drivers which were controlled via an Arduino and a RAMPS 1.4 Arduino shield." The device's makers say, "The tunability enabled by geometrical and optical variation driven by form, transparency and color variation can drive; limit or control light transmission, reflection and refraction, and therefore carries significant implications for all things glass."

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  1. Mixing multiple types of glass by Mal-2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Mixing multiple types of glass within a single piece is crucial to making apochromatic lenses. If a fourth wavelength has to hit the same focal plane accurately, it gets much trickier, but can still be done under some conditions. The primary problem is getting glass with the right refractive index in the right place. The better this can be controlled, the more consistent the results will be. It's also more important as the maximum aperture increases, both because of larger lens elements and shorter depth of field.

    I'm looking forward to this finding its way into camera lenses, which I would imagine is one of the primary design goals. it could bring what are currently $2500 f/2.8 "L" lenses within reach of the people who opt for f/4 and f/5.6 due to cost. (Unfortunately, there's nothing to be done about size and weight. If you want to gather light, you need lots of glass.)

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    1. Re:Mixing multiple types of glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not lots of glass, lots of sensor area. See Fly eyes.

    2. Re:Mixing multiple types of glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With digital cameras, the sensors for different wave length are no longer in the same plane, which should make it possible for "normal" lenses to perform better than apochromatic ones?

    3. Re:Mixing multiple types of glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This doesn't look particularly high resolution. But even if that improves greatly, plenty of industrial 3D printers don't have the sub-micron resolution needed for a decent lens, unless you are working with really long wavelengths. So you're going to end up with grinding and polishing still. And there can still be improvements to even those techniques, as some stuff still requires things like a witness plates and multiple checks of the process, as just programming in a surface and letting it go isn't guaranteed to be good enough depending on your application.

      At least in my experience, for corrections to chromatic aberration is usually more an issue of cost or size constraints, than just being able to fabricate the elements.

    4. Re:Mixing multiple types of glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it could bring what are currently $2500 f/2.8 "L" lenses within reach of the people who opt for f/4 and f/5.6 due to cost. (Unfortunately, there's nothing to be done about size and weight. If you want to gather light, you need lots of glass.)

      Umm, a lot of the cost of lens comes down to the polishing of them, and other aspects is kind of small in comparison. I've seen this come up with a previous job that had an experiment that would eventually coat lens with junk, and we found the price of getting them polished was the same as just getting new ones. Also, getting custom coatings and filters on top of lens and mirrors were cheap, as the base price for the actual polished surface dominated the cost. Similarly, getting custom casts of special materials was pretty cheap compared to polishing.

  2. imagine the water pipes! by ganjadude · · Score: 1

    I can picture some amazing things coming out of the water pipe field with this tech.

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    1. Re:imagine the water pipes! by SmokeyMcPhattey · · Score: 1

      Damn, you beat me to it. I wonder if it can mix materials in for flashing, color changing, and the like. Sure would beat 8 hours with torch for that perfect new spoon.

    2. Re:imagine the water pipes! by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      MIT has done nice glass for a long time:

      http://glasslab.scripts.mit.ed...

    3. Re:imagine the water pipes! by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Sure would beat 8 hours with torch for that perfect new spoon."

      You're doing it wrong if it takes you that long to blow and fume and spec a perfect spoon.

      Takes me about 15 minutes tops.

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    4. Re:imagine the water pipes! by SmokeyMcPhattey · · Score: 1

      I was more referring to heady art as opposed to a production piece... Anyone can make a pipe, it takes time to create art.

  3. Similar printing for plastic by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    If you have a 3D printer and are interested in printing bigger objects with similar (lack of) details, you should take a look at the E3D Volcano. You don't need to have absolute sub-mm details when printing a flower vase.

  4. Nice Slideshow by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    I liked the Vimeo slideshow.

    Maybe the MIT crew could put up a video somewhere. Something on YouTube perhaps, because it would be nice to watch what people are doing instead of seeing fixed frames every few seconds.

    (Or maybe if the Vimeo plugin would continue loading the video while paused you could stop the video, work for a bit, and come back and see what's going on. Nope - preload is apparently fixed at some insufficient amount ahead of the stopping point.)

    (Also, Adobe Flash FTW!)

    1. Re:Nice Slideshow by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      It works on a real computer... :)

  5. Glass pencil holders by Moof123 · · Score: 2

    OK, so other than some flower vases, as well has hard to clean (but cool looking) beer glasses, what is the real utility?

    Sorry for being a naysayer, but the whole 3D printed "revolution" has been underwhelming thus far. It has a really high cool factor, but I am still waiting to see a whole lot of useful stuff come from it.

    1. Re:Glass pencil holders by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3

      OK, so other than some flower vases, as well has hard to clean (but cool looking) beer glasses, what is the real utility?

      1. Optics
      2. Scientific instruments
      3. Art
      4. ???

      Sorry for being a naysayer, but the whole 3D printed "revolution" has been underwhelming thus far.

      You fit right in. Most Slashdotters are cynical naysayers, sure that the social media bubble is about to collapse. Your grandfather likely complained about Robert Goddard's silly rockets, and your dad likely thought home computers were a passing fad.

    2. Re:Glass pencil holders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am still waiting to see a whole lot of useful stuff come from it.

      I'm not. 3D printing is a given when prototyping things today. Hobbyists are routinely making custom parts for one-off stuff; a cottage industry of custom part makers has emerged due to this. For low-rate, high-value manufacturers such as exotic car makers it is becoming standard practice to make some parts with 3D printers. Restorers are also making good use of it by fabricating replacement parts for things that can't otherwise be replaced.

      But you're right in this case; extruding glass into cone shapes isn't particularly impressive. Seems like they put more effort into the marketing than the actual work.

    3. Re:Glass pencil holders by ciaran2014 · · Score: 1

      I'm also unimpressed by the video. I think what they really proved is that molten glass is too thick for 3D printers, or that 3D printers are a long way off from working well with high melting point materials.

      As for 3D printing in general, I think it's going to change the world and it needs its own Richard Stallman to inspire people to fight to make 3D printing useful for the general public (instead of the other possible future where a few big companies own mountains of patents on building things and all the copyrights on certain shapes which are important so that people's printed things can work with existing things or other printed things.)

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    4. Re:Glass pencil holders by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      OK, so other than some flower vases, as well has hard to clean (but cool looking) beer glasses, what is the real utility?

      Sorry for being a naysayer, but the whole 3D printed "revolution" has been underwhelming thus far. It has a really high cool factor, but I am still waiting to see a whole lot of useful stuff come from it.

      When motorcycles were first spring up in the late 1800's, people had the same basic attitude.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_history#First_commercial_products
      Now we have some devices that go from zero to 200+ mph so fast you can have a hard time remaining properly seated... and that's if your shorts stay clean.
      What something is at the prototype stage (and that's where 3d printing is now) has no bearing on what it may become. This is doubly true given we are just trying out zero gravity printing and biological printing. So I'll wait and not get too worked up about the pace of progress... I saw what the cell phone has become (so far) and I expect greater things from 3d printing.

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    5. Re:Glass pencil holders by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      A know some handcraft distillers that would pay a lot of money for bottles like that. And I would love a glass picture and glasses set for iced tea. It is beautiful. (Unlike the 3D plastic stuff...)

    6. Re:Glass pencil holders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a long way from optics, which is often difficult for even more established computer controlled machining methods. It would probably be far more interesting for producing specialty high voltage insulators and vacuum parts.

    7. Re:Glass pencil holders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point, because, as everyone on this site knows, technology never improves, especially starting from an early point in its development.

      For example, look at any Linux distro, and how it still fits on a single floppy and never got any sort of GUI.

    8. Re:Glass pencil holders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? I said the current state of this glass printer is unimpressive, but added that 3D printing will change the world, and you seem to think I said 3D printing is a dead end?

      Either that or you're trying to use more layers of sarcasm than you can handle :-)

    9. Re:Glass pencil holders by ciaran2014 · · Score: 1

      Now we have some [motorcycles] that go from zero to 200+ mph so fast you can have a hard time remaining properly seated... and that's if your shorts stay clean.

      Oh. That's why bikers wear leather trousers with boots?!

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    10. Re:Glass pencil holders by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      Scientific instruments and most optical applications require a lot more precision that the model in the video demonstrated. It's a neat technology but at the moment art is about the only viable use.

    11. Re:Glass pencil holders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhmm, how about rocket engines made in one continuous piece, rather than hundreds of pieces with thousands of welds? I guess you have only heard about the recent hobbiest toys and not about the industrial devices that have been in use for much longer.

    12. Re:Glass pencil holders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glass can also be sintered, evidently. I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with CNC control on that.

    13. Re: Glass pencil holders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      High temp parts possibly. Actually glass is pretty boring if they can go that high a temperature on this kind of printing.

    14. Re:Glass pencil holders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, if you had said .... "Sharks can now have true laser beams" ... then you would have had everyone's attention. Just sayin .....

    15. Re:Glass pencil holders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's overhyped, but if you think smaller then it can be useful. I've printed a few custom mounting brackets and clips for various items. I probably could have fashioned similar items out of wood, using basic tools, but they wouldn't have looked as neat, and would not be very weatherproof.

  6. FINALLY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I can throw things in glass houses. Anyone that tells me otherwise can now shut up. :p

  7. It can make vases. nice trick. by sims+2 · · Score: 1

    I want to know if it can replace the people in the mall that make the pretty handmade hummingbirds and butterflies.

    Now that would be neat to own!

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    1. Re:It can make vases. nice trick. by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      I want to know if it can replace the people in the mall that make the pretty handmade hummingbirds and butterflies.

      Now that would be neat to own!

      You must not be in the US. Molten glass in a shopping mall in the US would draw a pack of salivating lawyers in seconds!

    2. Re:It can make vases. nice trick. by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      I want to know if it can replace the people in the mall that make the pretty handmade hummingbirds and butterflies.

      Now that would be neat to own!

      You must not be in the US. Molten glass in a shopping mall in the US would draw a pack of salivating lawyers in seconds!

      While the GP is talking about replacing people with tech, why not start with lawyers.

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    3. Re:It can make vases. nice trick. by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Central Mall Fort Smith Arkansas.

      They had a setup about like this: http://youtu.be/ELnMD6RrKMI

      Every once in a while someone is setup in a booth in one of the aisles doing that.

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    4. Re:It can make vases. nice trick. by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      On that aspect a lot could be done just by making the laws on the books available online.

      They say ignorance of the law is no excuse.

      Yet its not very easy for most to even find out what the laws are where they live.

      Is it really illegal to hunt whales in oklahoma?
      Is it really illegal to drive a motor vehicle on mainstreet of town?
      Is there really a federal law forbidding students cellphones in Oklahoma?
      Is it legal for me to replace a lightbulb without being a licensed electrician?

      Shouldn't I be able to find this out without having to consult a lawyer? It's supposed to be public information anyway why isn't it accessible?

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    5. Re:It can make vases. nice trick. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oklahoma state statutes. In the last three small towns I lived in, the town laws were on the town webpage, and quite handy for dealing with minor disputes, whether renter-landlord or modifications to a yard, as the whole set of laws was only 1-2 dozen pages.

  8. ...can-also-dispose-of-dead-bodies dept. by Kellethia · · Score: 0

    could use this for my future ex-roommate who owes me a ton of $$; although it wouldn't pay the bills the satisfaction = priceless. (-;

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  9. glass printing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they could do a coffee maker that doesn't have that damn Chinese plastic smell.

  10. Big hit in Colorado by Awesom-0 · · Score: 1

    Fuck it, best bong ever in 3d maaan.

  11. Glass house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This looks like contour crafting with glass, so I propose the next step is to print a glass house. (Possibly with the intermediate step of constructing a very large kiln...)

    The video was amazing, especially the illuminated pieces near the end.

  12. Obligatory glassblower's union response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "They're taking our JOBS!"

    This looks very super cool and awesome. One, WANT, two, can't wait to see all the awesome stuff they can now make with this idea, esp. once it's refined, but this is the first step into an awesome new world.

    Remember, the advance of technology is essentially cyclical. First an observation is made. (Hmm, when a cookfire gets really hot, some of the rocks around it bleed shiny stuff that when it cools, is shiny like water and very, very hard.) Then a practical application is developed, (Hey! The rock-blood can be shaped and the edge ground down to be really sharp, way better than stone and bone knives we've BEEN using...) Then changes in society occur as a result, (suddenly, it's like everyone and his brother has these shiny, new, metal knifey-things. We should form a group to use them better than the neighboring tribe!) Then new opportunities arise as a consequence, often leading to new observations and discoveries.

    This is a logical step, and in retrospect, I'm surprised someone didn't think of it sooner. Imagine all the things that will be possible, esp. when a 3-D printer is built that has both the metal, AND glass printing capabilities! New things will become possible that weren't at least practical before, will soon be almost trivial to make. Can't wait to see all the shiny, pretty new stuff that's coming down the road at us!

  13. Proof Khyber's a LIAR inside... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & "eat your words" Khyber http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

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  14. Now all we need... by rakslice · · Score: 1

    is a big lens. Can it bootstrap its own lens, I wonder?

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