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Judge Orders State Dept, FBI To Expand Clinton Email Server Probe
An anonymous reader writes: In a hearing over Freedom of Information Act requests to the State Department, U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan said that former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton didn't comply with government policies. He ordered the State Department to reach out to the FBI to see if any relevant emails exist on Hillary Clinton's email server. Judge Sullivan was surprised that the State Department and FBI were not already communicating on the issue following the FBI's seizure of Clinton's email server and three thumb drives of emails. More than 300 emails are being examined for containing classified information, and dozens of the emails were "born classified" based on content. Some of those emails were forwarded outside the government. There are also clues emerging about how some of the classified information made its way onto Clinton's server. The email controversy is beginning to show up on the campaign trail, an unwelcome development for Secretary Clinton. Reporter Bob Woodward, who helped bring down President Nixon, said the scandal reminds him of the Nixon tapes. It is interesting to note that the post-Watergate reforms have helped move the investigation forward.
Watching her act like she doesnt know what a "server wipe" is made me laugh a little. She takes scumbaggery to great heights.
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Even if your a loyal Democrat, this is not good. Keeping highly sensitive documents on personal servers when your a top government official is just wrong. No matter if there is a smoking gun or not. Just the fact this goes against all protocol setup and defined to protect information is very troubling. It shows Mrs. Clinton totally disregarded protocol simply for her own benefit and possibly for a convenient way of controlling history and her legacy in case she messed up.
This goes far beyond a Richard Nixon moment and I cannot believe how many people still thinks she is the best the Democrat's have for President??
In my mind, she is just what America doesn't need in the White house. Another politician who makes up her own rules and disobey's government policy. Really?
We want more of that in government? Hey, if your a Democrat do what you will next year at election time. But if Hillary Clinton is a choice. Do the right thing and don't vote that disgraceful piece of work into office. She has no place in public office of any kind.
The RNC case and this are worlds apart. The RNC operated email servers for partisan purposes that are illegal to perform using government resources (labor time, equipment, and so forth). Hillary Clinton operated a private email server to keep government records out of the government's hands, contrary to both policy and statute, when both of those were crystal clear about what was required. Any law or policy violations in the RNC case went against specific direction from higher-ups. In the more recent case, the law and policy violations were directed by a member of the Cabinet.
> According to Bloomberg, she only wanted to carry one phone
>> Dude, have you ever walked around with two phones? It's inconvenient.
While I understand trying to do something about getting multiple email addresses into and out of one account (gmail does this pretty easily for example), the "I carry one phone" theory is nonsense.
Hillary points out that she carried two phones at the state department [Advisory: Contains video] [Advisory: Originally posted by a vast right wing conspiracy]
The mishandling of email was probably a simple, unintentional mistake that as both a lawyer and politician she is automatically lying about. *shrug* unsurprising.
Oh, I agree. My point is that the news said she was EMAILED this data. WTF. If that data is "supposed" to be only on the SIPR, which is to have ZERO connection to the internet, how did it get forwarded to her. That is my question.
Even the average person who reads the news knows by now that TS/SCI materials can't legitimately end up in unclassified email systems. The very best she could argue is "I had no idea what it was and deleted it immediately" at which rate she's still guilty of not handing over the machine(s) to the federal government to verify that the data is actually gone.
She needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law because the alternative is that we live in a country where contractors and lower level civil servants go to Leavenworth while the elite gets to make cutesy jokes about destruction of evidence in a national security scandal.
"He ordered the State Department to reach out to the FBI to see if..."
What the FUCK is with this language.
The story says the email was "Forwarded" to her. Not a new typed email. Again, my point is that the Government network is not setup to follow their own rules, and that the issue is larger than Mrs. Clinton. She is a scapegoat to hide that fact. Have you not noticed that the last OPM breach new coverage went away as soon as this came up? Rather than fix the issue, hide it. Its what they do best.
The emails were subpoenaed by Congress for an investigation. She deleted them 14 months AFTER the subpoena, which she then claimed she never got. The Congressman who subpoenaed them came on news the next day showing what he sent her requesting the emails. She deleted evidence during an investigation (obstruction of justice).
Since then they have gotten more evidence of why she deleted them. This is all based on her original obstruction of justice and now they want to find out what she is hiding by not turning them over. She has lied at every step for not giving them over.
1. I wanted to use 1 device. She used 3
2. They were private emails to husband. Bill Clinton doesn't use email
3. No classified documents. There are classified documents
4. No documents were classified at time. They included signal intelligence which is classified at all times
5. Server protected by secret service at her house. It was in a Denver apartment that didn't have an alarm.
6. There are no backups. There is a backup server in New Jersey that is still not in government control.
By avoiding government systems Clinton potentially put lives, diplomatic relations, and US secrets at risk.
The emails in question were believed to not contain classified info
That's simply not true (and I'm surprised you could believe Clinton's utterly false claims). As per State department rules, anything related to foreign countries is classified by default, without any need for such marking.
Catalin Braescu
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Read the effin statutes. The emails are not automatically classified if they are from a foreign government. They are only classified if the foreign government has stated they are classified.
The courts have ruled that being from a foreign government is not sufficient to be classified. The State Department argued that it was in a FOIA case and lost.
The case and the law are discussed in this link,
This provision of Executive Order 12,958 was a significant factor in a 1998 decision by the federal Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit that rejected the government's claim that a communication from the United Kingdom could be withheld from a FOIA requester because it had been classified by the Department of State. Weatherhead v. United States, 157 F. 3d 735 (9th Cir. October 1998), vacated as moot, 528 U.S. 1042 (1999) . The Ninth Circuit found that the government was unable to demonstrate that there was any specific reason for withholding the documents at issue and, therefore, without a presumption that foreign government information should be classified, the government could not justify withholding this document under the 1995 Order. The Court of Appeals panel also examined the letter, and found that its contents were innocuous and disclosure could not reasonably be expected to result in damage to the national security.
http://www.bushsecrecy.org/pag...
The mishandling of email was probably a simple, unintentional mistake that as both a lawyer and politician she is automatically lying about. *shrug* unsurprising.
There is no evidence yet of her mishandling email. There have been a lot of false claims about the classified nature of the email. The courts have ruled that information from a foreign government is not 'born classified', it must be explicitly stated that it is classified by the foreign government for it to be treated as classified material.
This is also one of the few times a politician doesn't get to blame an underling. "But I didn't know Bob was shredding secret documents and working with arms dealers" might be able to pass, but you can't blame Bob for an illegal server full of government emails set up in your f**king house.