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How Close Are We, Really, To Nuclear Fusion?

StartsWithABang writes: The ultimate dream when it comes to clean, green, safe, abundant energy is nuclear fusion. The same process that powers the core of the Sun could also power everything on Earth millions of times over, if only we could figure out how to reach that breakeven point. Right now, we have three different candidates for doing so: inertial confinement, magnetic confinement, and magnetized target fusion. Recent advances have all three looking promising in various ways, making one wonder why we don't spend more resources towards achieving the holy grail of energy.

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  1. 30 years by LogicLoop · · Score: 4, Funny

    30 years. Didn't you get the memo? It came out 40 years ago.

  2. How Close Are We, Really, To Nuclear Fusion? by cyn1c77 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would say roughly 1 AU, but it varies with the elliptical orbit of the earth.

  3. time_to_nuclear_fusion = by Snufu · · Score: 4, Funny

    year() +10;

  4. A step forward, but... by JanneM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Achieving practical nuclear fusion for power generation would be a very nice step forward. But "holy grail" is rather overselling it, I suspect.

    Even when practical, we're still talking very big, very expensive plants that depend on a long supply chain for all its parts, the high-purity fuel and so on. When you consider the building, running and maintenance costs, and the cost of dealing with the spent fuel (much better than for fission plants of course) the energy won't be all that cheap. Hopefully cheaper than fossil fuels at least, but I would not be surprised if a first generation of plants, at least, become more expensive than that.

    And they'll be competing with rapidly dropping costs for solar and other renewables. A big, expensive plant like that will need a 40-50 year lifetime to pay for itself. If you can't show that it will likely run profitably for that time period few or no companies will be willing to take on the very major investment. We may well see a technical breakthrough for fusion, and still get no plants actually built.

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    1. Re:A step forward, but... by bugs2squash · · Score: 4, Funny

      No problem disposing of the fusion by-products; just fuse H + H to make He, He + H to make Li then fuse Li + Li to create a non-fossil source of Carbon then burn it. Its the clean coal technology we've been hearing so much about.

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    2. Re:A step forward, but... by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 4, Funny

      That would be silly. Just fuse 2H to form He, and sell the He for party balloons.

      Or dirigibles. That would also work.

      Or just vent the He. It will outgas from the planet soon enough.

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  5. Graph explains everything by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

    This graph explains very clearly how far away we are, and why it is taking so long. The reality is, with all the cheap coal (and natural gas), it's just not a priority. Besides, environmentalists hate nuclear so it's not a political winner to fund it. This story is good, too.

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    1. Re:Graph explains everything by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Informative

      Unfortunately, while some do, many loud and prominent ones do not. Greenpeace is the most obvious example. See especially their opposition to ITER: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/press/releases/ITERprojectFrance/, http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/Blogs/nuclear-reaction/lockheed-martins-compact-nuclear-reactor-yet-/blog/51074/, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/22/fusion_greenpeace_no/.

      The Sierra Club which is in many ways more moderate than Greenpeace weakly opposes such fusion also http://www.sierraclub.org/policy/energy/nuclear-power, and while their main argument is that it is too expensive compared to more conventional renewables, they also cite "The dangers posed by the probable releases of tritium used by fusion plants, the problems with decommissioning these plants" which only makes sense if you both don't fully understand how little tritium is being used and how think that the plants will be highly radioactive like conventional fission plants.

      Sortir du nucléaire, one of the major French anti-nuclear groups are basically treating ITER and fusion in general very close to how they treat fission power. See e.g. http://www.dw.com/en/france-wins-nuclear-fusion-plant/a-1631650

      The environmental movement has done a lot of good and continues to do a lot of good. But there is a definite anti-technology bent in some parts and general anti-nuclear bent which is very unfortunate. There are some environmentalists who understand the potential benefits of fusion and how it is different than fission power, but it is definitely not all of them and certainly doesn't include some of the most prominent organizations.

  6. How close are we to fusion by rossdee · · Score: 4, Funny

    about 8.3 light-minutes

  7. Re:Cannot scale anyway by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative
    Getting tritium is just one more technological hurdle. For example:

    Natural reserves of tritium do not exist on Earth, but it can be made easily from lithium. In fact, tritium can be made using the high-energy neutron released from the fusion reaction and offers the possibility of making tritium in situ in a fusion reactor. The neutron is absorbed by the lithium to produce tritium.

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  8. Re:Mission accomplished by kheldan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except when it's a cloudy day.
    Except when it's night time where you need power.
    Except where it's not practical or possible to have solar panels.
    Except that, I surmise, the power density and lifespan of a practical fusion reactor will make it many times more practical than littering every available horizontal surface with solar panels that will have to be replaced in 20 years or less.
    Oh, and don't tell me 'battery banks!' because unless someone comes up with a way of directly storing electric power that scales up very, very cheaply, it's not really a practical solution to have bank after bank after bank of Li+ (or whatever) batteries, which in way less than 20 years will have to be junked and replaced, too.
    I suspect you're the environmentalist type, like the Sierra Club or similar, and really are going to be against any type of centralized power generation; get over it already. We need nuclear power, if we're going to get out of the downward spiral that will turn the Earth into a copy of what Venus looks like now: A searing, lifeless black hell hot enough to keep lead molten on it's surface.

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  9. Re:Cannot scale anyway by Melkman · · Score: 4, Informative

    The only -current- viable source of tritium is fission. However fusion can produce its own tritium in breeder blankets. This is one of the concepts that will be researched in ITER: https://www.iter.org/mach/trit...

    So the last part of your post "but it's not a viable power source unless the need for tritum is eliminated" is just wrong.

  10. Re:Furthermore, Saudi Arabia must be destroyed by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not everyone in Saudi Arabia are bedouin; in particular the ruling House of Saud is descended from town dwelling Arabs.

    I'll go out on a limb and guess that not everyone in Saudi Arabia is worthless. Even people involved in managing their oil. And as for the elite they don't seem to be worse than anyone else who's inherited oil-based wealth; they've managed that for the long term benefit of themselves and their families. If they're ostentatious with their wealth, well they have a lot of it and it hasn't bankrupted them yet.

    So there's no rational reason to want to destroy Saudi Arabia. But there's every reason not to want to be so dependent upon them.

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  11. Re: the real question by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Funny

    Manganese--A dialect of Japanese only used in comics.