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Assange Says Harrods Assisting Metro Police in 'Round-the-Clock Vigil'

The Daily Mail reports that Julian Assange seems to have yet another foe (or at least friend of a foe) watching persistently while he stays put in the Ecuadorean embassy in London: Harrod's Department Store. The Metro Police, according to Assange, have developed a relationship with the store, and are using that relationship to facilitate their full-time observation of his roosting place in the embassy. When the founder of Wikileaks says, "We have obtained documents from Harrods [saying that] police have people stationed 24 hours a day in some of the opposing buildings Harrods controls," it seems likely that those documents actually exist.

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  1. Not all that unusual... by jonwil · · Score: 4, Informative

    It may be unusual that its going on for such a long period of time but police (in the UK and elsewhere) regularly work with building owners to get access to vantage points overlooking suspect properties to observe what is going on.

  2. What is UNUSUAL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ..is the effort they spend for Jesus Assange. They must be really scared of the truth.

    1. Re:What is UNUSUAL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      girls?

      Two grown women who lied. and admitted that they lied.
      If I were one of their fathers, I'd be on Jule's side.

    2. Re:What is UNUSUAL by Calibax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Both the women in question are adults and both have said that they do not wish Assange to be prosecuted. After the original complaint was filed, Assange was told he could leave Sweden, and so he went to the UK.

      Then a Swedish prosecutor decided to reopen the case (exactly why has never been fully explained) and she wants him back in Sweden. For some reason it wasn't sufficient to interview him by phone or Skype, or by traveling to the UK. The prosecutor wants him in Sweden, to the point of issuing a European arrest warrant - not because he's been charged with anything, just because she wants to talk to him.

      The whole thing seems quite strange. Sweden and the UK seem to be treating this as a major incident, even though the complainants have no interest in pursuing the case. In fact, the UK is complaining about the very high cost of watching the Ecuadorean embassy, which they reckon is over 15 million pounds so far.

    3. Re:What is UNUSUAL by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 2

      If you were the father or brother of those two girls your opinion on the matter would probably be different.

      If you read the details of the charges, your opinion would probably be different...

    4. Re:What is UNUSUAL by lucm · · Score: 2

      Both the women in question are adults and both have said that they do not wish Assange to be prosecuted.

      Can you provide a link to support this? This is one of those things that floats around on message boards but that strangely doesn't seem to have factual basis.

      All that is known at this point is that some of the charges are dropped (not all) because of the statute of limitation. I have not seen a single reputable news organization publishing a story about the victims not wishing Assange to be prosecuted. I have however seen said victims on video explaining what happened (in the Netflix documentary) and how they've been harassed and threatened by the Assange fans.

      Provide a credible link or stop peddling lies.

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    5. Re:What is UNUSUAL by Everything+Else+Was · · Score: 2
      http://www.abc.net.au/4corners...

      As usual, US is behind it, and other western countries do whatever they say.

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    6. Re:What is UNUSUAL by Calibax · · Score: 3, Informative

      The two women are identified "Miss A" and "Miss W" in Sweden to protect their identities.

      On 11 August 2010, Assange arrived in Sweden to speak at a seminar partly arranged by "Miss A". He had met her before but he stayed at her apartment. They had sex on 14 August 2010.

      At the seminar, Assange met "Miss W" and they had sex on 17 August 2010.

      On 19 August 2010 the two women (who are friends) discovered that both of them had had sex with Assange. Up to this point neither had suggested that the sex was anything other than consensual, but that day they decided to contact a journalist and complain about their sexual encounters with Assange. The journalist insisted they contact the police and the two women went to the police together. They both say that what started as consensual sex became non-consensual, which is rape in Swedish law. The two women were interviewed together by police and this allowed contamination of their evidence.

      On 20 August 2010 a warrant was issued for Assange's arrest. On 21 August it was withdrawn by Stockholm's Chief Prosecutor. On 30 August, Assange was interviewed by police.

      On 1 September 2010 a different prosecutor announced that she was reopening the investigation. This is not a normal procedure in Sweden. Furthermore, the prosecutor identified Assange to the press, which is against Swedish law. On 2 September she re-interviewed the complainants, but she did did not interview Assange, which is required within a week - she said this was not done because of a police officer being sick.

      On 5 September 2010 a journalist reported that the two women did not want to proceed.

      On 27 September 2010 Assange left Sweden with the agreement of the authorities.

      On 18 November 2010 a court approved a request to detain Assange for questioning. On 20 November an international arrest warrant was issued. It was possible to interview Assange in the UK, as there is a mutual legal assistance agreement, but the prosecutor went for the arrest warrant instead.

      That's where we stand at present. Assange has not been charged with a crime as yet.

      Frankly it looks like a case where two women discovered that they were both having sex with Assange and decided (together) to come up with a way to get back at him - there's no way to prove that sex becomes non-consenual while it is in progress. It's a classic "he said, she said" situation. It's strange that both women claimed the same thing happened, but not until they had discovered they were sharing his favors.

      It appears that the prosector has an agenda, but I have no idea why.

    7. Re:What is UNUSUAL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You surely remember how Europe wasn't too afraid to cause a 'major diplomatic scandal' in a similar case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident

    8. Re:What is UNUSUAL by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Language is a subtle thing. The two women involved were 26 and 31 years old - but calling them 'girls' automatically makes them seem young and innocent, and in need of protection.

    9. Re:What is UNUSUAL by Theaetetus · · Score: 3, Informative

      They both say that what started as consensual sex became non-consensual

      That's a gross misstatement of the facts. In one case, the woman was asleep at the time sex started. She had previously told Assange no to sex, and then went to sleep. She woke up with him inside her.

      ... which is rape in Swedish law.

      Penetrating someone who is unconscious is rape in most countries.

      Assange has not been charged with a crime as yet.

      That's also grossly misleading - in Swedish law, the charging comes at the very last stage, prior to trial, which has to commence within one week of the charging. The fact that he hasn't been charged yet is simply because he's hiding out.

      Frankly it looks like a case where two women discovered that they were both having sex with Assange and decided (together) to come up with a way to get back at him - there's no way to prove that sex becomes non-consenual while it is in progress. It's a classic "he said, she said" situation.

      Not at all. Assange admitted during his extradition appeal to the UK High Court that he had sex with the sleeping woman, knowing that he didn't have consent. There's no "he said, she said," because everyone agrees on the facts - he penetrated her, knowing that she was unable to give consent and unable to resist. As the court said, "it is difficult to see how a person could reasonably have believed in consent if the complainant alleges a state of sleep or half-sleep."

    10. Re: What is UNUSUAL by Rei · · Score: 3

      Wrong - all diplomatic passports must be approved by the hosting country before they're granted - the request can be refused at will.

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    11. Re:What is UNUSUAL by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

      I also have a hard time believing that there is no way for him to leave the Embassy if Ecuador wanted to get him out of the Embassy.

      When the U.S. says "jump," your only follow-up question had BETTER FUCKING BE "How high, sirs?" Ask the President of Bolivia just how far the U.S. can and will go to stop whistleblowers.

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    12. Re:What is UNUSUAL by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      Eh, not everything the GP said has proper context.

      1) It didn't "turn nonconsensual." She said "no," fell asleep, and work up with him penetrating her.

      2) He didn't leave "with the agreement of the authorities." He asked if they could hold him, and they reluctantly said no, because they couldn't. He then left. "We don't have enough to hold you yet" is not the same as "you're totally fine and won't be hearing from us again." He didn't do anything wrong by leaving, but don't make it out like he was cleared in some way. He wasn't.

      3) "Hasn't been charged" fails to understand the nature of the Swedish criminal justice system. In the US, you get charged, then investigated further, then indicted (or information), then arraigned, then tried. In Sweden, "charged" is basically like "arraigned." It comes at the end of the process. So saying "he hasn't even been charged" is misleading. If it were a US court, he would have already been charged and indicted, only needing to be arraigned and tried. He would already be a fugitive from justice.

      Sweden hasn't done anything wrong in their pursuit of Assange. What is messed up is the UK spending 15M pounds for a rape suspect. That looks like politics. But Sweden's just following their laws in a way that's completely normal for them. However it looks strange to us because Swedish criminal justice procedure is part inquisitive and part adversarial, unlike the US system which is wholly adversarial.

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    13. Re:What is UNUSUAL by BardBollocks · · Score: 4, Informative

      .. and have said they didn't want Julian charged with anything. .. and the prosecutor said the accusations brought forward by police were bogus and ended the investigation. .. and a crooked prosecutor with ties to US funded media in Sweden going for re-election in another part of Sweden reopened the case .. and Julian was interviewed and hung around, then asked if he was free to leave to attend another engagement and was told he could leave Sweden .. upon which an illegally issued European Arrest Warrant was placed on him .. which the U.K. courts have now said they will not in future accept because they are illegal, but won't apply it to Assange the government employed disinfo shills (how do you clowns sleep at night) will come and try and spin it - and will believe that the delusions they are suffering from are what the public believes...

    14. Re:What is UNUSUAL by Theaetetus · · Score: 2

      Also add the STD issue (which was Assange being an arse hole that got him into this mess!) and the lobster dinner after.

      While the post you're supporting has been debunked already, I'd also like to point out something here. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you would take issue with the concept of a woman "having regrets" after sex and deciding, a day later, that what was consensual sex was actually rape.
      "That's outrageous," I'm sure you'd say. "How can her regrets - or anything else the next day - travel back in time to somehow make consent disappear?!"
      And you'd be entirely correct. Consensual sex or non-consensual sex is determined at the time sex occurs, and not based on what happens the next day.

      ... but then you bring up a lobster dinner. As if that lobster dinner somehow travels back in time to make lack of consent disappear.

      What happens later is irrelevant. In this case, the woman told Assange no to sex. She then went to sleep. She woke up with him inside her. He admitted to all of that during his appeal to the UK High Court. Anything that happened later - lobster dinners, demands for HIV tests, etc. - do not change the fact that, knowing he did not have consent and taking advantage of an opportunity when she could not resist, he penetrated an unconscious victim.

    15. Re:What is UNUSUAL by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      The state does have the right and the ability to level charges without the permission of the victims. There are numerous reasons for that.

      While it does take the morality of the prosecution down a notch, legally there is nothing odd about prosecuting a crime that the charges are leveled by the state against the victim's request.

      The state may well determine that allowing the crime to go unpunished hurts the ability for order to be maintained, and it may also determine that the victim has been forced to decide between their own hurt and some other issue (such as not wanting Assange to go to jail, or not wanting to become seen as the excuse for some sort of US action). None of these considerations should be allowed to prevent prosecution of a crime because they set up scenarios where perpetrators may create situations where victims become unable to request redress under the law.

      For instance, Assange might carry out what is a rape under statute, but having assaulted women who believe heavily in what Wikileaks was trying to do, he has the ability to turn the prosecution of his actual crime into a political situation where the women might well feel that they should let him off for the greater good.

      I'm not saying that is how it happened, but there have been criminals throughout history who have been adept at setting up situations where they can perpetuate crimes against their victims, but the victims will still stand up for the criminal if outsiders step in.

    16. Re:What is UNUSUAL by hawkinspeter · · Score: 3, Informative

      I didn't know he'd actually been charged with anything. Can you point me towards some more info on that, as a quick search indicates that he hasn't been charged (e.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19426382/).

      If he has been charged, then your comments about the US would make sense, but if he hasn't been charged, then legally the US wouldn't be able to use extradition and thus the whole conspiracy theories about a Sweden/US secret deal regarding him.

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  3. Re:Timothy needs round-the-clock medical help by nickweller · · Score: 3, Informative

    @Anonymous Coward: "Why is this shit even on Slashdot?"

    Maybe because of this .. Collateral Murder - Wikileaks - Iraq

    "Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind."

  4. Yes? And? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is a suprise? People should be outraged? Not so much.

    Adds he's paranoia got the best of him years ago. Not his well founded paranoia about the USA Three Letter Agencies, but his paranoia about his place of power in The Cult of Assange.

    Most of his personal issues could have been resolved years ago, his current situation are of his own making.

    He needs to fly to Sweeden and take care of his personal business, you know: "man up".

    The chances of him being extradited to the U.S. are slim to none at this point.

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    1. Re:Yes? And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Assange wasn't going to prison in Sweden, he was going directly to Gitmo, without trial, or habeus.

    2. Re:Yes? And? by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      That's only his own theory. The best possible thing for the US is to have Sweden try him, find him guilty, put him on some sort of civic duty as punishment, then let the world laugh then forget about him. It's absurdly paranoid to think that the US would jail him given the amount of hoopla Assange has generated. The US gains nothing by arresting him, and loses quite lot of it sends him to gitmo.

      But that's just it, gitmo is the ultimate of the conspiracy fantasies. We've got small handful of terrorists still in gitmo but the conspiracies theories, if you added them up, would insist there are thousands of people there that no one knows about.

    3. Re:Yes? And? by lucm · · Score: 2

      Fascinating article, thanks for sharing. The guy is a piece of work...

      There are few subjects on which Julian would be reluctant to take what you might call a paternalistic position, but over Snowden, whom he’s never met but has chatted with and feels largely responsible for, he expressed a kind of irritable admiration. ‘Just how good is he?’ I asked.

      ‘He’s number nine,’ he said.

      ‘In the world? Among computer hackers? And where are you?’

      ‘I’m number three.’ He went on to say that he wondered whether Snowden was calm enough, intelligent enough, and added that he should have come to them for advice before fleeing to Hong Kong.

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    4. Re:Yes? And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except they aren't trying to get him there for a trial, they are trying to get him there for QUESTIONING, which they very easily could do over the phone, skype or send a person to him to question him, which they have done for others in the past. They just refuse to do it for him and insist he come where he can be arrested and sent elsewhere.

      How your post got modded as insightful when it isn't is pretty insightful in itself as to how misinformed people can be.

      And yes, they can agree not to extradite him to the US should they attempt to do so. Something they refused to do. The main thing Assange is guilty of at this point is pissing off the US leaders by airing their dirty laundry as even the girls he is accused of raping had dropped it and said they didn't want him charged and it seems very likely that they were trumped up charges just to get him there to begin with.

    5. Re:Yes? And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Given that several of his leaks were ABOUT people being whisked off without bothering over any sort of trial nonsense, I have to wonder why you don't?

      But I'm sure they just mobilized all those police outside the embassy to ask him about wearing a condom that night and the breakfast she made him after.

    6. Re:Yes? And? by Alphager · · Score: 2

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... was not captured in a war zone, but in Macedonia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... Nasr was captured in Italy (NATO partner, has extradition treaty with the US, has a functioning police system), tortured and illegally detained for 4 years until he was finally released.

    7. Re:Yes? And? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      The US has a history of grabbing people and then realizing later it wasn't in its own best interests, but it doesn't stop the US doing it. There are British citizens who were rendered to countries like Egypt for a few months of torture before the US realized it had the wrong person and just dumped them back in the UK. Some of the people in Gitmo have been waiting over a decade for release.

      Given what the US has done and continues to do, I wouldn't want to risk my life on the off chance that it had somehow suddenly got a lot smarter. The US isn't one entity, there are many different groups involved and it's a huge risk to assume that none of them will grab someone like Assange.

      Plus, if he wasn't a valuable target then why would the UK government spend $12,000,000+ to keep him in that embassy? It's odd that the Swedish won't come to interview him either, despite having interviewed nearly 50 other people in the UK since making their first request.

      It's not paranoia when there is evidence to back it up.

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    8. Re:Yes? And? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Ignore all the ad-hominem attacks on him. A lot of it is just the usual state sponsored efforts to discredit him, like the did with Snowden (remember all the bullshit about his girlfriend?)

      Look at the situation objectively. No-one else wanted for questioning on this type of offence gets so much money and time spent on them. The US has a history of spreading these kinds of stories and lies about people it doesn't like, and is likely to seek his extradition.

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    9. Re:Yes? And? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Cold Fjord has attacked me! I declare him an enemy combatant. Can I murder him legally now?

      This is why I made the comment about the uniform. Your view worked very well in conventional wars of the past, when you knew who you were fighting. Modern wars are messy. Insurgent groups do not wear uniforms - they dress as civilians and disappear into the population. Even entire armies can be denied - look at Russia's recent invasion of Crimea, spearheaded by troops who wore uniforms without insignia and which Russia denies even exist.

      It's one thing to declare on the battlefield that anyone pointing a gun at you is probably the enemy and should be immediately shot. There isn't really any other option then. But it's another matter entirely to systematically disappear people into a secret prison and declare that they have no legal rights. If you resort to that, you'll be sure to catch a lot of innocent civilians who just had the misfortune to get caught up events.

    10. Re:Yes? And? by BitZtream · · Score: 2

      which they very easily could do over the phone, skype or send a person to him to question him

      Or he could go back to the country he fled and answer the fucking questions. Oh and by the way, they DID send someone to talk to him, just recently, he refused. Stop being an ignorant douche and open your eyes.

      How your post got modded as insightful when it isn't is pretty insightful in itself as to how misinformed people can be.

      Ironic considering I was thinking thing exact same thing.

      And yes, they can agree not to extradite him to the US should they attempt to do so. Something they refused to do.

      Sweden, BY LAW, does not extradite to countries that have the death penalty as an option. They can not legally agree to extradite him to the United States so there is no need to 'refuse'. They can't make the choice to refuse, its already made for them.

      The reality of it is, he's a fuck who's trying not to get punished for breaking the law.

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  5. Re:What did he expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He's a criminal

    When was he convicted?

  6. Re:What did he expect? by Darinbob · · Score: 2

    He's a journalist how? The only persecution he is facing is prosecution based upon a detailed legal framework in place before Assange ever entered Sweden. Assange's demands that Sweden change its laws on his behalf is the height of arrogance.

  7. No, because he skipped bail by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Informative

    The validity of the charges in Sweden aren't his only problem. They could drop the case, he'd still be in trouble with the UK because he fled bail. Bail is an agreement between you and the court. You agree to appear as ordered, and they let you out of jail. Often there is also a monetary component to try and ensure your compliance. However regardless of the details, you are legally required to present yourself in court when ordered.

    So when Sweden said they wanted him, the UK arrested him. In the EU there's some pretty strong extradition rules so even though the UK had no issue with him, their extradition treaty with Sweden required them to arrest him. He was granted bail, and the monetary component was paid for by supporters. At the point, he had to wait for a court date when the UK courts would determine if the extradition request was valid. At that point if they did, they'd hand him off to Sweden, give back his bail money, and would be all done as far as they were concerned.

    They did find it was a valid request, he challenged that finding, and so on up to the UK's high court. They ruled that yes, it was a valid request. Remember this has nothing to do with guilt, they are not interested in that. Their only interest is if the extradition request is a valid one per the treaty. It was, so they said "Ok, you have to turn yourself in and we'll ship you off to Sweden." He decided not to, and instead fled.

    Well at that point he become a criminal in the UK. They now had a criminal interest in him since he'd broken UK law by skipping bail. Doesn't matter anything about the original charges. This is a separate crime, and it is an ongoing one, so no statute of limitations.

    That's how it works basically everywhere. If the court says you have to how up, and you don't, that by itself is a crime.

  8. Re:What did he expect? by BlueCoder · · Score: 2

    He expected freedom of speech. He volunteered to be a spokesperson for a movement. The same thing would have happened to anyone else. Assange was chosen wisely to be spokesperson for his talent of being loud. Everyone seems to forget that Wikileaks was an unsanctioned press organization.

    Six million a year to watch him? Are you kidding me. You don't spend that kind of money to help extradite a date rapist where his alleged crime occurred in another country. He is clearly being persecuted. Interested parties are clearly sending a message.

    I think it's highly likely that the US will seek extradition and the Swedish will give him to them if the British don't do it first once they happily remove the death penalty. There is no way the US would have sought the death penalty anyway. They will try him as an enemy of the state and convict him for espionage. They had secrets and he did revel some of them on purpose and others by accident. Never mind that he isn't a US citizen and the that it's didn't happen on US soil. He will likely wind up sitting in federal prison trying his case for ten years and appealing it for another twenty before they simply let him go.

    P.S. The person that did do the espionage has been convicted but he in my option should be pardoned for mental illness. Those they keep him in service with access to top secret intelligent against his will when he was so clearly unstable should be the ones serving time in a military prison. I might not have let him out of service buy I would have defiantly transferred him into another MOS. Latrine duty anyone?

  9. Re:What did he expect? by Aighearach · · Score: 2

    Reality is that he is hiding in a closet, and will be arrested when he leaves. Even if he makes it another 5 years and escapes he Swedish warrant, he'll still be facing having skipped bail in the UK. There is no time limit in the UK while you're wanted for something and hiding.

    Reality doesn't mean, "your opinion."

    Name-calling doesn't make right. Durrrrrrrrrrrr