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FBI: Burning Man Testing Ground For Free Speech, Drugs ... and New Spy Gear

v3rgEz writes: The 29th annual Burning Man festival kicks off this week in Nevada's Black Rock Desert. Among those paying close attention to the festivities will be the FBI's Special Events Management unit, who have kept files on "burners" since at least 2010. One of the more interesting things in those, files, however, is a lengthy, heavily redacted paragraph detailing that the FBI's Special Events Management Unit gave Las Vegas Police Department some specialized equipment for monitoring the week-long event, as long as LVPD provided follow up reports.

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  1. I really just don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Has free-thinkers and weirdos ever caused an actual revolution? Changed the course of government that they were able to rid it of corruption and incompetence?

    So why put all this effort in monitoring them?

    It can't make them feel better. It seems to only make those in authority more paranoid than before. It makes them jump at their own shadow to think that someone, somewhere that might be different from them is plotting against some abstract institution.

    Why exercise this kind of authority over people that aren't doing anything disruptive of their lives?

    They're out in the desert not hurting anyone and trying to feel normal for a few minutes. The best thing you could do is ignore them and concentrate on troubles you can do something about. Like poverty or something.

    But that's the point. Poverty and other societal issues present as difficult things to solve. Those problems involve changing some base portions of how our society functions. So here we see the real reason for this sort of harassment. To make it look like something is being done about the ever present other.

    1. Re:I really just don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Why exercise this kind of authority over people that aren't doing anything disruptive of their lives?"

      Because, fear.

    2. Re:I really just don't get it. by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >> Has free-thinkers and weirdos ever caused an actual revolution? Changed the course of government that they were able to rid it of corruption and incompetence?

      In 1776, yes.

    3. Re:I really just don't get it. by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1, Insightful

      >> Oh, rly?? They rid the government of corruption and incompetence, did they?

      Most of it, yes. They replaced a remote bureaucracy that sucked out more than it provided with a local government with less overhead. Furthermore, the local government was highly competent to the point where they colonized the rest of the continent, fought off several aggressors (including the British again in 1812) and were regarded as an international force to be reckoned within "just" 120 years.

    4. Re:I really just don't get it. by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >> 1776 was a bunch of rich people convincing the poor to fight for them

      That wasn't the question. It was whether "free-thinkers and weirdos ever caused an actual revolution?" Whatever class theory you hold, you can't deny there was something strange about our founding fathers - a little too obsessed with freemasonry or whatever, but they definitely all had a screw loose to think they could take on the greatest empire the world had ever known (the British) for the greatest prize ever known (half the world) and completely redefine government as we know it at the same time. And yet these "free-thinkers" (hello democracy) and "weirdos" (Greece was awesome, amiright?) pulled it off, and the world is better for their success.

    5. Re:I really just don't get it. by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Franklin was definitely a weird free-thinker.... and he probably single-handedly ensured the victory of the revolution by sleeping with the bored housewives of Paris' rich and powerful.

      I can't really think of any other of the founding fathers as being weird, tho.

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    6. Re:I really just don't get it. by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >> I can't really think of any other of the founding fathers as being weird, tho.

      That's the strange thing about modern times. Guys who risked their lives, their families and everything they had on an idea are now considered stodgy and mainstream, whereas some random dude with tattoos, dreads and an iPhone working a zero-risk job at Taco John's is considered to be a "free thinker."

      Read up 'em - you might be surprised.

    7. Re:I really just don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      fought off several aggressors (including the British again in 1812)

      When England was in the middle of squashing Napoleon, the USA decided it was time to invade Canada. And you classify the British as the aggressors ?

  2. Should get a "Burner" phone by clifwlkr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sounds like if you are going to burning man, you need a burner phone for the event. I am guessing they are setting up a Stingray device and capturing communications at the event. Simple paid for cash burner phone, and you defeat a lot of that. Or better yet, just don't turn your phone on and avoid the whole mess.

    1. Re:Should get a "Burner" phone by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >Or better yet, just don't turn your phone on and avoid the whole mess.

      If you're at Burning Man, but need your phone to stay in touch with the office or whatever, you've already missed the point of Burning Man.

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  3. Re: Fascist bastards ... by pauljlucas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Freedom of speech applies only to the government. You can say any crazy, racist, xenophobic stuff you want to "speak your mind," but a private company like NBC is not obligated to transmit your message.

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  4. Since the Late Sixties... by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Any counterculture gathering that doesn't attract FBI watchers just isn't trying hard enough. I used to think it was insidious. Now, I think the feds just want a cushy week or two watching the scantily clad.

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  5. Re:So, business as usual for the FBI. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The laws they're breaking are themselves morally bankrupt, and therefore moral to break.

  6. Re: Fascist bastards ... by TheCarp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whao there, isn't NBC one of the companies entrusted with a section of the public airwaves? The same airwaves that the poster you are responding to is prohibited from broadcasting on, such that they may have the privilege of doing so, for commercial benefit, but also to benefit us all, as they are our shared resource?

    Seems a government subsidized company would be a valid target for some criticizm for the messages they choose to carry or not on our medium.

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  7. Re:Free speech hundreds of miles out in the desert by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll bet a lot of people love the fact that all this "free speech" will be taking place hundreds of miles out in the desert...

    You don't know people very well then. As Lord Macaulay observed in his The History of England from the Accession of James the Second,

    “The Puritans hated bear-baiting, not because it gave pain to the bear, but because it gave pleasure to the spectators.”

    You see it is not enough for prigs and busybodies that they're not involved in any way in the things you do that give you pleasure; their problem is with you enjoying something they don't enjoy, or perhaps understand.

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