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More Popcorn Time Users Sued

An anonymous reader writes: The torrent-based video streaming software Popcorn Time has been in the news lately as multiple entities have initiated legal action over its use. Now, 16 Oregon-based Comcast subscribers have been targeted for their torrenting of the movie Survivor. The attorney who filed the lawsuit (PDF) says his client, Survivor Productions Inc., doesn't plan to seek any more than the minimum $750 fine, and that their goal is to "deter infringement." The lawsuit against these Popcorn Time users was accompanied by 12 other lawsuits targeting individuals who acquired copies of the movie using more typical torrenting practices.

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  1. WHOA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hold the fucking phone. They're seeking damages that won't financially ruin entire families, and whose effects won't be felt generations down the line?

    What the fuck?

    1. Re:WHOA by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

      They're seeking damages that won't financially ruin entire families, and whose effects won't be felt generations down the line?

      Unlike Survivor itself.

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    2. Re:WHOA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They have learned something that civilized society has known for a very long time.

      High severity of punishment is not an effective deterrent. High likelihood of getting caught is an effective deterrent.

      Ramping up monitoring and blanketing infringers with minor fees that they would rather pay than fight will further the media group's agenda much better than permanently impoverishing single moms after wildly expensive court battles.

      They have not become kinder. Just wiser.

  2. If their goal is to deter infringement by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Then they should leave Popcorn Time users alone. That app does more to deter infringement than anyone.

  3. Re:I have the right to watch it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I paid a fee to a cable company which gives me the right to watch any movie they are currently playing.

    It should not matter where I get it from.

    I don't think it works that way...

  4. that 750 seems a little convenient... by nimbius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The goal is to deter infringement

    and avoid judicial scrutiny. The RIAA for example has long had an infringement website where you can "pay" your "settlement" should you receive one and dont wish to be burdened by your constitutional right to a trial by jury for what --unless all those DVD warnings are wrong-- is a federal felony.

    the problem is if this becomes a federal trial, media companies and their attorneys have to do things like disclose evidence. depending on the nature, and how far down the rabbit hole defense wants to go, media companies understand they can eventually begin to risk the legality or constitutionality of the DMCA itself. They can call severe attention to the disparaging, clandestine, and overzealous nature of copyright itself and in turn through a simple federal case could open the door to the possibility of copyright reform. In some cases, like the well published instances where media companies file lawsuits totalling in the millions against child plaintiffs or single mothers, the damages can be knocked down to a fraction of what it costs them to prosecute something like this or worse, thrown out entirely.

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  5. Use a VPN, there's even one build in. by grub · · Score: 4, Informative


    Use a VPN, there's even one built in. Just need to sign up.

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  6. Re:Life is not that difficult ... by tepples · · Score: 3, Funny

    We're not taking questions from the audience

    Why not?

  7. Re:I have the right to watch it. by plover · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My PC is hobbled to near-uselessness with crapware installed by Lenovo

    We've recently purchased some Lenovo machines, and yes, they came with a metric assload of shitty software that nobody could possibly use or want, and that soaked up RAM and CPU like a drunk in a vineyard. But you do know you're allowed to uninstall all that shovel-ware, right? And if you don't know what to remove or how to uninstall them yourself, a useful tool is the PC Decrapifier, which is so simple anyone can run it.

    The Decrapifier is not perfect, though, as the authors seem to be dodging some legal lines by not being particularly aggressive in what they recommend you remove. And it won't get everything. My sister asked me to help her as her machine had slowed to the point of unusability. At some point her machine had become infested by some particularly nasty McAfee "free" malware that required a ludicrous amount of effort to destroy. It took me far too long to discover I had to surf to their site to download a custom uninstall tool. I think I spent almost two hours downloading updates and scrubbing the malware from three machines simultaneously. But once all the crapware was gone, and they had current patches, they actually became some decent machines. (Then I had to go home and take a shower, because that McAfee software made me feel filthy.)

    I consider that wasted time as an expense that jacked up the cost of owning the machines by a couple hundred dollars. It would not be worth the investment on a cheap Lenovo, which I would never recommend unless you have the nothing but time to waste, but as I was getting a big SSD, fast CPU, hi res screen, and lots of RAM, I overlooked it. But I'm not forgetting it.

    Lenovo, if you're reading this, know that I'm the senior buyer for all computer and electronic equipment purchased by my two extended families, and that $20 in kickbacks you got for installing the shitware on my machine will never recoup the costs of even one of the never-buy-Lenovo recommendations I've been handing out. Multiply that by the thousands of nerds who feel like I do, and that's millions of units you're not selling because of your own stupidity.

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  8. Or, you know, just pay for the fucking movie. by Brannon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or better yet, go to the library, check out a good book, and read it.

    1. Re:Or, you know, just pay for the fucking movie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Never paying for a movie, never again.

      Never fucking ever.

      I *tried* playing by their rules once. Turns out, I was not allowed to use the tv-out on my graphics card, to view the dvd I *bought*, on my tv.

      Fuck them. They are *not* trying to be fair or just. Do not be fucking fooled. Do *not* fall into the "you gotta pay, you freeloader, you're stealing" guilt-trip. Because when i PAID for it, I got screwed over.

  9. Re:after the right people by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even more interesting is the attorney who's pursuing this. Carl Crowell (based out of Salem, IIRC) is pretty damned prolific about this - enough that he has a rather slick operation (see article) that chews through a lot of these each month. I find it interesting that they're willing to settle for $750/ea (though IMHO that's still a bit too high), while most settlements average $5k-$7.5k or so.

    Like most copyright suits, he almost always gets the money via settlement. It all still hinges on IP addresses, the ISP, and how well they keep records, though. I'm guessing that Popcorn Time likely blares your IP addy out nice and loud for the world to see by other torrenters, though one would wonder about sharing a movie in order to sue other sharers over the same movie...

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