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Turkey Arrests Journalists For Using Encryption
An anonymous reader sends news that three employees of Vice News were arrested in Turkey because one of them used an encryption system on his personal computer. That particular type of encryption has been used by the terrorist organization known as the Islamic State, so the men were charged with "engaging in terrorist activity." The head of a local lawyers association said, "I find it ridiculous that they were taken into custody. I don't believe there is any accuracy to what they are charged for. To me, it seems like an attempt by the government to get international journalists away from the area of conflict." The Turkish government denied these claims: "This is an unpleasant incident, but the judiciary is moving forward with the investigation independently and, contrary to claims, the government has no role in the proceedings."
"...the judiciary is moving forward with the investigation independently and, contrary to claims, the government has no role in the proceedings."
So their judiciary isn't part of the government? What are they, a private business?
Having lived in Turkey in the early 90s, I thought they might be the way forward for Islamic populations with respect to a semi-secular example of government. In reality, their liberal MILITARY (mark that one in your record books, folks) was the crux.. but.. now they're gone.
I'll leave it to the EU as to whether they're ever admitted, but with respect to NATO, they have no relevance. Eject them from NATO now.
We all knew this day was coming. The real question: How do 5-eyes countries protect their citizens and still claim encryption==terrorist? This is where human rights advocates need to demand encryption as a part of free speech. Both government and advocates also have 'freedom' of the press issues to resolve. I've written 'freedom' because the press isn't examining the war on terror.
Not that surprising for anyone that follows Turkish politics. Erdogan isn't as bad as ISIS but he inch-by-inch is taking Turkey down the theocratic road of countries like Afghanistan. He practically had to be coerced into fighting ISIS. Very plausible he would have joined forces with ISIS to fight Kurds if it hadn't been for foreign pressure)
Most Turks you meet are super nice in person but for some unfathomable reason this crpto-fascist jerk keeps winning elections. If he keeps winning elections, Turkey is going to devolve into a theocracy like most of the rest of the middle east. Secular Atatürk was rational (especially for his era). Erdogan things he's an Ottoman sultan. Populist moron.
Wow, so now to get arrested for terrorism, all you have to do is use the same kind of thing that a terrorist has used?
I sure hope none of them wear Nikes.
Did someone put on the stupid hat again? "Terrorist", "Pedophile", "Rape", "Nazi" - these are all highly-charged words that seem to cause us to lose our shit and completely disregard all facts. They're also forbidden words in regular daily discourse. How did we invent words that suspend common-sense and rational thought?
The Turkish police forces use guns. ISIS uses guns. Are the Turkish police terrorists now? Are they engaging in terrorist activity?
The Turkish government uses encryption. ISIS uses encryption. Is the Turkish government a terrorist organization now?
I bet a lot of terrorists use toothpaste as well. Oh fuck, now we're all in trouble. Cancel your dentist appointments right now.
"the Casio F-91W digital watch was declared to be 'the sign of al-Qaeda' and a contributing factor to continued detention of prisoners by the analysts stationed at GuantÃnamo Bay." from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...
I haven't posted for a while, because it takes a while for my old tub to sail from the warm waters of sunny South Carolina, across the Atlantic and Mediterranean. I knew there might be a mission though, and it looks like this is it.
These guys will be sunk--by a Confederate submarine. BOOM! Glug, glug, glug.
Isn't an encrypted population like an armed population? Computers capable of powerful of enough encryption which once classified as munitions and their export banned. So having encryption is kind of like having the right to defend yourself. Which I do not see as bad, nor should the republicans who believe in the right to bear arms.
Society use your Sciences
What encryption system I wonder. Isn't https an encryption system that is used by Islamic State?
Not so fun when your staffers are falsely accused of being terrorists in an area where the real world consequences could mean prison, or even death. Maybe your staffers over here in the US will learn not be so quick to flippantly and falsely label others as "terrorists" just because it gets you clicks and promulgates a feminist agenda.
sorry, the democrats disarmed everyone
Not encrypted? pfft...
http://pastebin.com/qjhSHxn8
It is now.
http://textmechanic.com/Encryp...
Password: ?KCO3&pS12=zNH4X
Yes, that took too much effort. Slashdot did not approve of the message. "Filter error: That's an awful long string of letters there."
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
>implying that Republicans are going to know technology or use critical thinking skills
>implying that Democrats are likely to do so (my own text) instead of the Republicans
Maybe we need to start a public campaign to explain what the importance of this is. I don't think it is a party issue. My Republican and my Democrat associates all seem inclined to believe in the need to have the freedom to encrypt our documents. I don't tend to hang around with extremists and idiots so your mileage may vary. I think most of them, with a few notable exceptions that I will not get into here, are all pretty reasonable (speaking about my associates only) and would be more accurately described as centrists who may actually vote across party lines as needed but I've never asked them how they voted unless they've volunteered the information due to a conversation we were having.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
That's the British sense of the word "government", not the US sense of the word. Turkey, like many nations, has a parliamentary system.
It goes something like this. The people elect parliament, who make laws much like the US Congress. The parliament then elects or nominates two heads. One handles foreign affairs. That's the head of state. In the US, the president is head of state. The other top person forms "a government" which handles internal affairs. The US is weird in that then president is both head of state and head of government. In parliamentary systems like Turkey and the UK, they are two seperate positions. (Though sometimes the head of state now has only nominal power, if the head of government and the parliament have slowly taken more and more power).
Seperate from "the government" and parliament is the judiciary. The head of government can't fire judges.
In this type of system, as in the early US system, the head of government doesn't have nearly as much power as the US president does. Other branches can and do act independently.
Turkey is a really funny place
Turkey is a nation which actively sponsoring terrorism - especially those from the Islamic State, and in the meantime they do everything they can to harm those who dare to fight for truth
The journalist in question was arrested not because of his use of encryption - that's only an excuse - rather, the journalist was arrested because Turkey is afraid of journalists who dare to expose the heinous atrocities committed by the Turkish government
why do you assume the RNC is the problem?
My Republican and my Democrat associates all seem inclined to believe in the need to have the freedom to encrypt our documents.
I don't tend to hang around with extremists and idiots
danger! danger! contradiction alert!
I would think the bigger story is that a turkey is going around arresting people!
Burn him....
So if i browsw Websites using SSL (something which the ISIS probably also does), i am also a terrorrist?
I guess i wont tranfer in Istanbul Airport the next time i travel.
>Turkey Arrests Journalists For Using Encryption
That's what you get for treating them that way on thanksgiving.
... what's next; banning Mathematics?? Because that's exactly what encryption is.
Instead of banning the tool (which never works) how about going after the _behaviors_.
Gee, if only we had some evidence about the power of peer pressure (7. The Harvard Man)
You wanted functional encryption to be made illegal. Turkey has just taken a bold step towards this brave stance. How does it taste to you? I bet the EU spokeswoman's comments made the pill even more delicious, since she mentioned human rights, which is something the UK government also wants to shred.
Encryption is an inherently criminal activity: the only people who would ever think to engage in it are obviously nefarious cretins w/ something to hide.
Therefore, anyone who refuses to immediately give up their password/passphrase to Deputy Fife or Mall Cop Paul should automatically be sentenced to 20 years minimal time at hard labor.
Note that these evil terrorists also assert the following additional abominable outrages:
...among maybe a few others.
1. Right to exercise free religion, free speech, free press, free open assembly, and protests against government
2. Right to keep and bear arms and form militias
3. Right to reject occupying forces
It's high time we pass a bill to outlaw all these assaults on theology and geometry!
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Right is right and left is wrong.
Ignatius J. Reilly
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On this article. there is no name nor location no specific individuals but bunch of idiots make comment as if this holds any legitimacy. Internet shows its funny face again
For the crime of spreading feminist propaganda
why do you assume the RNC is the problem?
Start with the RNC but if the DNC does not change to represent the will of the People they too should face the consequences. Revolution is a necessary tool to be used against government which seeks to restrict freedoms.
My Republican and my Democrat associates all seem inclined to believe in the need to have the freedom to encrypt our documents.
I don't tend to hang around with extremists and idiots
danger! danger! contradiction alert!
Most Republicans and Democrats are not extremists or idiots.
It does however appear to be a requirement for those running for higher offices.
Any insufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.
So if "government" just means the executive, is there no all-inclusive term? Do you just say "the state"?
that committed genocide against the Armenians and against the Kurds? Germany pained for its atrocities in WW2, but Turkey got away without a scratch. Now they seem to overlook pro ISIS activities and funding.
Why is anyone surprised?
by the American government.
Turkey shuts down water plants and bans oxygen and nitrogen. Turkish government notes that terrorists are using these substances to survive.
More at 11.
and yet the EU is still entertaining the idea of admitting these clowns as full members.
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
Funny enough, I bought an F-91W because of this press. I was starting to realize that most of the time I was taking my phone out of my pocket, it was to check the time. Every time I did that, I was taking myself away from what I was doing for way too long, and it was one more chance to drop an expensive phone.
So: I went looking for a cheap watch. I first hunted down the F-91W because of the terrorist association press, and the Amazon reviews are awesome. It's also a common watch sold at US military PXs, so I'm surprised that it would also be a watch that could get you picked up in Afghanistan. While looking at that one, I noticed that Casio actually makes a bunch of fairly decent looking analog watches for under $15 (MQ24-1E and MQ-24-1BLK are nice). They last about two years before the battery goes out, at which point you can replace the battery or the watch, and I had bought one of each over the past several years, before settling with the F-91W.
It's a tank. I wear it during martial arts, swimming, showering... nothing seems to phase it.
Most Republicans and Democrats are not extremists or idiots.
Spending a little time around either one will cure you of that thought. And yes, that means that the majority of the American population is either an extremist or an idiot, or both. There's been plenty of studies about how ridiculously polarized Americans are these days; this isn't an unfounded claim.
I'm not trying to impugn most democrats or republicans, I'm just suggesting you may be overestimating your friends.
I suppose "governmental entities " is somewhat all-inclusive. It's kind of hard to know what to include in all-inclusive since different nations and other political divisions are so different. Does the (all-inclusive) government of Germany include EU entities?
Saudi Arabia has two completely separate entities. You may have noticed many hospitals in the US are run by religious organizations, and often have Saint in their name. Similarly with many schools. In Saudi Arabia, the religious groups run most hospitals, schools, and other domestic services. Does that make them a government? It's not entirely clear. The house of Saud basically handles foreign affairs, so they are clearly governmental. (The house of Saud has a friendly view of the US. The religious groups in the area often do not.)
Many people got a glimpse at Turkey in the movie Midnight Express. But if you want to experience the filthy dungeons and cruel treatment behind bars then visit the old NY City jail located directly underneath the City Courthouse at 100 Centere St. In Manhattan. This place is not to be confused with the infamous Tombs located next door. This disgraceful mess run by the City of New York and the NYPD is no better than what uou see in Turkey or any filthy third world jail. This mess should be shutdown and the Mayor of New York should apologize to anyone who has ever been held there!
Turkey, implementing the policy that Western Three Letter Agencies can only dream of!! Turkey leads the way to enlightenment! Turkey, beating those dirty hippie journalists, just like J. Edgar used to!!