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Steve Wozniak "Steve Jobs Played No Role In My Designs For the Apple I & II"
mikejuk writes: In a recent interview with very lucky 14-year old Sarina Khemchandani for her website, ReachAStudent, Steve Wozniak was more than precise about the role of Steve Jobs. "Steve Jobs played no role at all in any of my designs of the Apple I and Apple II computer and printer interfaces and serial interfaces and floppy disks and stuff that I made to enhance the computers. He did not know technology. He'd never designed anything as a hardware engineer, and he didn't know software. He wanted to be important, and the important people are always the business people. So that's what he wanted to do. The Apple II computer, by the way, was the only successful product Apple had for its first 10 years, and it was all done, for my own reasons for myself, before Steve Jobs even knew it existed." He also says a lot of interesting things in the three ten minute videos about life, electronics and education.
Yes, we knew Jobs had an over-inflated ego. That came out long before his death.
This is hardly news for anyone, but reminded me of an anecdote from when both Steves were in their early twenties that summarizes the dynamic between them nicely:
When Steve Jobs worked at Atari, the company was working on creating the arcade game Breakout, which required 80 Integrated Circuits (ICs). The less ICs there were, the cheaper the games would be to produce, so Nolan Bushnell (Atari's president) offered $100 for every IC that could be knocked out of the design. Jobs brought Woz the challenge, and over four days and nights at Atari they put together a design that only required 30 ICs. Bushnell gave Jobs his $5000 bonus, which Jobs "split" with Wozniak by telling him it was a $700 bonus, giving him "half," or $350.
They were both exceptional. Woz an exceptional engineer, Jobs an exceptional sleazebag.
It's not about how much you make (revenue) , it's about how much you keep (profit).
http://fortune.com/2015/06/11/fortune-500-most-profitable-companies/
Correct. I did the engineering brain work to design the Apple ][ but Jobs productized it and sold it. His productization, like a plastic housing, was very important to the usability of that product. He did excellent marketing of it. Even though it wasn't his conception, it was his only major business success at Apple until his return. The monies it earned allowed Jobs to create the Apple ///, LISA, Macintosh and NeXT cube. I think the marketing and execution errors of those products were largely due to Jobs wanting to make himself a leader and often rushing products out too fast with poor marketing judgements, despite the fact that he spokes as the marketing genius. When he returned he took time and didn't share the iPhone with Bill Gates in advance. He got the product done the right way and it was very good because it was for himself too, not outsiders, a market that would make him money. It had to be good enough for him to use.
The Apple ][ originally competed with the Commodore PET (and a number of other early personal computers). The Apple ][ had color and good sound support, while Commodore didn't have that until the Commodore 64, which was released in 1982. (The Apple ][ was released in 1977.) The Apple ][ also had a good, fast, inexpensive and reliable floppy drive while Commodore released a number of slow and expensive floppy drives.
NeXT was a flop. They couldn't sell anything. It was vastly overpriced and hardly world class. The only reason that Jobs ended up back at Apple was because the OS that Apple was using at the time was hopelessly outdated and unstable and Scully was running the company into the ground. Obviously they couldn't use Windows so they needed something and the UNIX based system that NeXT was using fit the bill.
Mind you, the first few iterations of OSX were pretty bad as well. Slow, buggy and crash prone but it was a start. Apple stuck with it and got it right. I'll give Jobs credit for switching to Intel based processors. That was probably the smartest thing he did. And I'll give him credit for the whole "vertical stack" thing where Apple builds the hardware and designs the software. That was smart.
But Woz was the hands on guy. He was the guy that got it done and I don't think he gets enough credit for the overall success of the company. I'm not anti Apple or anything. I like their products. I just tend to think that Jobs gets more credit than he deserves.
Now this all comes out after his death..Sounds like an over inflated ego to me
That thought crossed my mind as well. Since Jobs ain't there to contradict him....
Speaking as a former Apple ][ dev, this was all common knowledge. Jobs was the salesman, Woz was the engineer. That said, sales was certainly a very important and critical role. Both Steves were absolutely essential to Apple's success. Jobs got an upgrade in our view post-Mac due to his look-and-feel design work, but still he was never thought of as a hands on tech person.
Woz is the hero of the Apple story to engineers, Jobs is the hero to wall street. The mainstream news and the public at large merely lean towards the wall street perspective.
Apple also had at least two internal Mac OS replacement projects over the years. Neither getting close to where NeXT was.
What killed Lisa more than anything else was the $10K price tag. I got to use one a bit and it was quite useable, at least to an Apple ][ and very early Mac user.
The original bearded nerd.
Uhm... no. The Bell Labs "neck beards" (Brian Kernighan, Dennis Ritchie, Ken Thompson, Jon Postel, etc) were there first.
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Not really.
Prior to 1977 the case was frequently something a hobbyist made himself. Since you had to custom-build everything, including most of the boards, yourself anyway it was not hard to sell something like the Altair.
Jobs didn't really invent the concept (three or four machines released that year had cases, and apparently some earlier machines with tape output also did), but it definitely was not standard before '77 and I sincerely doubt the Woz wasted brain space figuring out whether the damn thing was pretty.
August 6th, they've been paying regular quarterly dividends since 2012
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I remember it a little differently. I thought the Lisa project was no success and that macintoch was the product that got apple out of the garage to the second largest PC maker for the next decade, until windows 95 arrived.