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Whisky Aged On NASA's International Space Station Tastes "Different"

MarkWhittington writes: Back in October 2011 Ardbeg Distillery on Islay, the southernmost island of the Inner Hebrides of Scotland, sent a vial of whisky to the International Space Station courtesy of Houston based Nanoracks. The idea was the see if microgravity affects the way that whisky ages, particularly the way terpenes that are the building blocks of food and liquors behave. A similar vial was kept on Earth as a comparison. The BBC reported that the contents of the two vials were sampled and compared. As it turns out, pronounced differences were noted.

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  1. Yeah!!! by Eloking · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's the sort of science that I like!

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    1. Re:Yeah!!! by ls671 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Chris Hadfield here. I drank the whole bottle and it sure tasted different. But summary has to be modified, strictly scientifically speaking, we aren't sure if the change of taste came from the fact that the whiskey aged in space or from the fact that I was in space while drinking it.

      In phase two, we expect to be able to wait until bottles are back on the planet before taste testing.

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    2. Re: Yeah!!! by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Funny

      In space its actually called Earthshine

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  2. Stirring research, or merely shaken? by geek42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I didn't read too far, but how was the impact of aging in space disambiguated from the impact of the transportation process? Shaking and high accelerations come to mind as potentially significantly impacting the whisky. We certainly know these to affect beer...

    1. Re:Stirring research, or merely shaken? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Informative

      It would probably impact beer more since beer is carbonated. Because adding CO2 to a liquid turns it acidic, it adds a sour flavor. When you shake carbonated liquid, the CO2 is going to be more likely to combine and turn into a gas, floating to the surface and raising the pH, making it less sour.

  3. Was it a Double Blind Test? by Gamer_2k4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've heard of studies where wine tasters offered different opinions based on what they THOUGHT the wine was (including white wines dyed red), so I'm curious how this test was performed. Did the tester know which one was from the ISS? Was there more than one tester?

    1. Re:Was it a Double Blind Test? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      In other words. No science was performed in the creation of this blatant attempt to exploit dumb rich people.

      That is what I thought at first. Then I went looking for more details and found the paper: The impact of micro-gravity on the release of oak extractives into spirit in which they claim:

      Organoleptic Assessment -- multiple micro-gravity and control samples were compared in the sensory laboratory using Ardbeg 'tulip' shaped nosing and tasting glasses, for both triangle tests (in which three 'blind' glasses are compared, two of which contain one sample, and one the other sample) and for detailed aroma and flavour descriptions.

      They don't say if it was double-blind or not, but even if it was just single-blind, that's at least passable science.

    2. Re:Was it a Double Blind Test? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 4, Informative

      Real science would have been if they put the two samples in a mass spectrometer and found a significantly different chemistry.

      Apparently they did, but that doesn't make sensational headlines.

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  4. Re:I support space research. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    I support space research......but couldn't they find anything more important to study?

    MORE important than WHISKY?

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  5. Re:I support space research. by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, cognac.

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  6. Re:Flawed premise... by pz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To assume that all chemical interaction stops merely because you've put a liquid in a glass container is perhaps somewhat naive. Whiskey, wine, and essentially everything else, continues to age in the bottle, albeit at different rates. Given the profound changes that are evident in a matter of days-to-months when wood is included in the ageing process, it is easy to dismiss the changes that happen when it is not included, but that is a mistake.

    I make a sour cherry infusion from brandy. It matures significantly in sealed glass, changing color from bright cherry to deep maroon, and peaking in flavor at 5-8 years. The biggest change in color comes after the first year, but the taste continues to develop, significantly, over many years. After about 15 years, the flavor starts to lose it's depth, and it becomes less interesting.

    I have no doubt that a difference could be detected between a whiskey aged in vial that in microgravity would lack convective currents versus the equivalent on Earth if vibration were adequately controlled such that convection would be the major mixing force on Earth versus diffusion in space. I do not, however, think anyone could predict what the differences would be. An interesting follow-on experiment would be to age whiskey in a centrifuge at 2g, 5g, 10g, and beyond. In an ultra-centrifuge, convection also essentially ceases as a mixing mechanism, but now diffusion would in addition be limited.

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  7. The description of both flavors is identical by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Earth sample: "The sample had a woody aroma, reminiscent of an aged Ardbeg style, with hints of cedar, sweet smoke and aged balsamic vinegar, as well as raisins, treacle toffee, vanilla and burnt oranges.

    "On the palate, its woody, balsamic flavours shone through, along with a distant fruitiness, some charcoal and antiseptic notes, leading to a long, lingering aftertaste, with flavours of gentle smoke, tar and creamy fudge."

    Space sample: "Its intense aroma had hints of antiseptic smoke, rubber and smoked fish, along with a curious, perfumed note, like violet or cassis, and powerful woody tones, leading to a meaty aroma.

    "The taste was very focused, with smoked fruits such as prunes, raisins, sugared plums and cherries, earthy peat smoke, peppermint, aniseed, cinnamon and smoked bacon or hickory-smoked ham. The aftertaste is intense and long, with hints of wood, antiseptic lozenges and rubbery smoke."

    From the given descriptions, I can make no prediction as to how the flavor of one would differ from the other. The description contains only differences that I would expect from two booze tasters tasting the same booze, or from one booze taster tasting the same booze twice but thinking it's different. Or perhaps someone could translate it to English for me?

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    1. Re:The description of both flavors is identical by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Insightful

      From the given descriptions, I can make no prediction as to how the flavor of one would differ from the other. The description contains only differences that I would expect from two booze tasters tasting the same booze, or from one booze taster tasting the same booze twice but thinking it's different. Or perhaps someone could translate it to English for me?

      First off, I will say that I agree to some extent with your implicit skepticism. There have been a lot of double-blind tests that have shown tasting rates, even by professional judges, to be highly flawed.

      That said, have you ever tried to describe the difference in taste of two different whiskies to someone else? You need to come up with some way of characterizing the taste -- and while I often am skeptical of these long descriptions, I frequently find that there's something in the flavor profile that often matches my experience pretty well -- "Wow... yeah, I actually DO taste the 'toffee' " or "The 'plum' note really does stand out here." These things are particularly notable when you're sampling a number of different drinks at the same time.

      Also, note that these tastings were done blind, and there were three glasses with two having the same whisky, so there were several ways to discount those characteristics which were apparently just "random" variance with "one booze taster tasting the same booze twice but thinking it's different" or whatever.

      Anyhow, there's no way to "translate" this exactly, because it's already English. To me, these descriptions tell me that I'm likely to hate the space sample, which sounds positively awful -- "antiseptic smoke, rubber, and smoked fish" are all things that generally are BAD qualities in a scotch nose. Do you want to drink scotch that smells like rubber and fish? "Antiseptic" is a clue that the taster probably thought the alcohol notes were out of balance. There's also the word "curious" in "curious perfumed note" which again hints that something seems out of place or weird. The actual primary taste sounds okay, though very fruity, but the aftertaste again sounds horrible: "intense" is rarely a good thing in aftertastes, and when you pair it with more "antiseptic" and "rubber" -- it sounds to me that whoever drank this stuff HATED it.

      The earth sample, on the other hand, has a nice nose, perhaps bourbon-like from the description. The "antiseptic" is downplayed in the taste (though it probably has a little "burn" given the mention), and the "long lingering aftertaste" is not "intense" but rather a blend of "gentle" and "creamy" pleasant flavors like smoke and fudge.

      In short, you might think these are similar descriptions, but the basic effect I get is that the earth-based sample was fairly balanced and pleasant overall, with perhaps a little bit of "bite," but the space sample was wildly out-of-balance and, frankly, terrible. I know some people who like "extreme" whiskies that taste pretty weird, and maybe they'd like the space sample. But I imagine the more interesting conclusion (if anything, from such a small, short study) is that space aging can change which notes are brought out in whisky, and perhaps some sort of combination of aging processes could result in something better. But this study was fairly limited.

  8. Re:Flawed premise... by Schmorgluck · · Score: 4, Informative

    Whiskey is a distilled beverage, basically "dead" so to say. Some wines (granted, not all) still have some micro-organisms when they're bottled. Not really countering your point, mind you, just adding in some precisions.

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  9. Re:Flawed premise... by Harlequin80 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The amount of change in a scotch whiskey is absolutely tiny after it has been put in a bottle. There are almost no reagents available in a normal bottle with there being a tiny amount in the air trapped under the lid / cap / cork and the tiny tiny tiny amount of tannin that was leached out of the timber during ageing. If this was a glass vial I expect the air quantity to be even lower.

    The only real changes you may get are where the bottle goes through too wide a heat range and as a result pushes and pulls air past the seal.

    Note this is different from say Bourbon which does age in the bottle, in particular because it still has a high tannin level when bottled. Taking the example of your cherry infusion you have introduced a significant amount of sugar to the mix and a number of reagents so it is much more inline with a wine then a distillate spirit at the time you bottle it.

  10. Einstein's whisky by GrantRobertson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course they tasted different. Due to relativity, the one on the ground aged longer.

  11. NASA's? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Since when does the ISS belong to NASA? The headline is misleading - other countries own the majority of it, and Russia is already planning to recycle their bits when the ISS is scrapped.

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  12. Re: I support space research. by MenThal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Star board aged port? You'll have your hands full with confused seamen.

  13. Re:I support space research. by Rainbow+Nerds · · Score: 5, Informative

    They actually did a precise chemical analysis, in addition to tasting the whisky.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/science/space-whisky-glass.html?_r=0

    The article says that the whisky had lower amounts of compounds that are typically extracted from the oak. Most of what I could find online is pretty light on the details of what's different chemically, but there was definitely more done than tasting.

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  14. What sort of science is that? by popo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is it the goal seeked science originated by marketing departments that you like?

    Did you really think that after oodles of money was spent on this "experiment" that the answer would be "it tastes the same"?

    This is reminiscent of the space souvenir industry in the 1970's, where trinkets that had been "in space" possessed some fetishistic value for collectors.

    This isn't science at all. The determination of "it tastes different" was made by those with the profit motive to declare as much.

    This is the sort of "science" that nobody should like.

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    1. Re:What sort of science is that? by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wouldn't be that quick to condemn it. It's not like they're going to sell off microscopic droplets for $500 each or something stupid like that, else they'd send a whole bottle up and auction that off when it returned.

      Distillation and aging of alcohol is actually a very interesting hobby in addition to a huge business. Even if you don't do it yourself, for those who actually enjoy the taste of good whisky (as opposed to chugging a mass-marketed bottle of honky-tonk juice), it's not hard to see that this can be done for perfectly scientific reasons (and food chemistry is only for starters). IMHO, the timespan involved was the bare minimum at best for aging a drinkable whisky in the first place (and the quantity tested way too low given the typical barrel size, no accounting for venting-off of higher-level spirits through a typically semi-porous container, etc), but when every cubic centimeter of ISS has to be accounted for, I get it. Not something I would design, but I get the limitations.

      Overall, if it was all about marketing, why didn't one of the mass-marketed spirits makers do it? Ardbeg only has two main stills and only moderate output as far as Scottish distilleries go, if memory serves. It has a recognized name among the glass-sniffing crowd, but it's not exactly a mass-market brand.

      Certainly I'll admit that the whole "in spaaaaace!" aspect is there, no doubt. On the other hand, I doubt they'll be slacking off when it comes to analysis, either.

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  15. Re: I support space research. by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

    GO (fuck yourselves) NASA!!

    What's NASA got to do with this?

    This was the result of Ardbeg Distillery being invited by a company called NanoRacks to send a vial of whiskey up in a Russian rocket to the International Space Station - which is run by five participating space agencies, only one of which is NASA.

    You want to damn an entire agency because a single vial of liquid was taken into space? I'm sure there have been plenty of experiments on different food stuffs in space, but you think that on this occasion this one example shows them to be a sham. Sorry, but that is a textbook case of overreaction. I bet you are still hurt from having your crayon-written application to be an astronaut denied. Or maybe you are just mad that NASA keep producing findings of studies that are at odds to your beliefs about global warming.

  16. Re:I support space research. by Muad'Dave · · Score: 5, Informative

    Plus, FINALLY, they tell us exactly how they 'aged' the whisky (normal aging entails long-term storage in 'previously used' charred oak barrels).

    In the Ardbeg experiment, 32 vials, each with six milliliters of unaged whisky, were sent to the space station in 2011 and then mixed with oak shavings. After 971 days of aging, the whisky returned to Earth last year to be compared with samples that had been aged on the ground. Dr. Lumsden and a panel of experts sniffed and tasted, and he ran them through a battery of chemical analyses.

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  17. Re: I support space research. by omnichad · · Score: 4, Funny

    You want to damn an entire agency because a single vial of liquid was taken into space?

    Only if it was over 3 ounces.