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Why Patent Law Shouldn't Block the Sale of Used Tech Products

An anonymous reader writes: Lexmark is best known for its printers, but even more important to its business is toner. Toner cartridges are Lexmark's lifeblood, and they've been battling hard in court to protect their cashflow. The NY Times has published an editorial arguing that one of their recent strategies is bogus: making patent infringement claims on companies who refill used cartridges. Think about that, for a moment: Lexmark says that by taking one of their old, empty cartridges, refilling it with toner, and then selling it somehow infringes upon their patents to said cartridges. "This case raises important questions about the reach of American patent law and how much control a manufacturer can exert after its products have been lawfully sold. Taken to their logical conclusion, Lexmark's arguments would mean that producers could use patent law to dictate how things like computers, printers and other patented goods are used, changed or resold and place restrictions on international trade. That makes no sense, especially in a world where technology products and components are brought and sold numerous times, which is why the court should rule in favor of Impression." The Times paints it as the latest attack on ownership in the age of DRM.

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  1. "Infringing"? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Lexmark says that by taking one of their old, empty cartridges, refilling it with toner, and then selling it somehow infringes upon their patents to said cartridges"

    The only thing it "infringes" on is their profits.

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    1. Re:"Infringing"? by tp_xyzzy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > The only thing it "infringes" on is their profits.

      Raise hand if you have used a printer in last 24 months? It starts to be kinda outdated technology already. Everything is on the web, and noone is printing web pages...

    2. Re:"Infringing"? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I will take that bet regarding the last "month or so". And, I'll bet that the 50% that are still using paper print less than 3 documents per month

      Every day in every office in every city in every part of the world, businesses print stuff on paper.
      Almost anything dealing with the law or court involves printing documents, daily if not hourly.
      Real estate offices churn out so much paper that it boggles the mind.
      Virtually every government office in every country on Earth prints reams of stuff daily.

      You may not be in an environment where much stuff gets printed but that doesn't mean it still isn't happening all around you every day.

      A few weeks ago, I looked at my checkbook and the last paper check I wrote was January. Of 2014.

      And my last one was written this morning. Lots of people write checks; just because you don't doesn't mean no one else is. Seriously, lots of people have a life different from yours and mine, and that life includes printing stuff.

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    3. Re:"Infringing"? by dwywit · · Score: 2

      Hand up. Tickets. Airline tickets, movie tickets, concert tickets. And don't give me that stuff about scanning the barcode off my phone. IT DOESN'T WORK!

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    4. Re:"Infringing"? by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      I renewed my passport online without any paper. My government is soon going to allow applying for passports online as well.

    5. Re:"Infringing"? by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is not question of whether hard copies will be eliminated but how quickly it is finally reducing instead of a period when dot matrix printers first kicked in. One of the big wastes of paper was proof reading. Like many others I found proof reading on the screen inefficient and unreliable and needed to do it off a hard copy for any degree of accuracy, likely because of cathode ray tube displays and the visual problems they cause and this carried over into a habit even with LCD screens. I wonder how well the up and coming generation is going with proof reading on the screen rather than requiring a hard copy to check (think just there a nominal 50% reduction in paper use).

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    6. Re:"Infringing"? by dk20 · · Score: 2

      Any chance you have kids?

      It seems every week or so one of my kids comes home with some school forms looking for money... and they take cash or check.

      Since i pay for everything on cards and rarely carry cash, check it is and so i write a lot of them.

    7. Re:"Infringing"? by nukenerd · · Score: 2

      Yesterday I was doing a job under my car, wiring up towbar electrics. I printed out the wiring diagram of the car rear lights area on paper to take it under the car with me.

      No, I don't want to drag my tablet under the car. It would end up broken. I do a lot of "blue collar" jobs like this as an amateur.

  2. People just do not get it... by wbr1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Times paints it as the latest attack on ownership in the age of DRM.

    Only nobles and lord own land peon.
    Welcome to subscription model everything, aka the internet of things, web 3.0, cloud connected pillows, etc.

    What you do not own, you pay for in some way. What you do own you collect on, and guess what, there are only a few owners.

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    1. Re:People just do not get it... by sjames · · Score: 2

      It's amazing how willing the capitalist cheerleaders are to see a condition where corporations replace the communist state as owner of everything and the people own nothing even if they pay for it..

  3. They may be legally in the right by davidwr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Morally, of course, it's enough to want me to boycott the company, but legally, they may be in the right

    The law may be on their side, but only
    * If the patent infringement is not on the toner cartridge per se but on the method of refilling it, AND
    * there is no non-infringing way to fill the cartridge that's economically viable, AND
    * if the patent is legally sound. Patents whose claims are overly broad or which fail to take into account prior art may be shot down if someone else decides it's cost-effective to take the patent-owner to court or to ask the Patent Office to review the patent.

    Yeah, it sucks, but short of either changing patent law or getting some court to rule that anti-trust and restriction-of-trade laws require the patent-holder to broadly license the patent to all comers on reasonable terms or make some other ruling that kills off this business practice, I don't see what can be done about it.

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  4. This very case came up here about two weeks ago! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    The context was a move by Xerox to use copyright to prevent users from substituting third-party printer cartridges for their own. Supposedly such a substitution would require reverse-engineering their copyrighted lockout software preventing substitute cartridges.

    At the time, this very Lexmark attempt to prevent refill of cartridges came up, and supposedly there had been a court decision preventing Lexmark from enforcing this rule.

  5. Re:Makes as much sense as any patent. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    Explain why anyone would take a financial risk to develop a new product ?

    Because you get to be the first one to bring them to market in order to make a profit.

    patents have not stopped innovation which is why we have new products every year

    I think OSX for my homebuilt 16-core machine would be innovative. Then I'd be able to run Logic Studio on my own hardware.

    One example of how patents have stopped innovation. How do we know there aren't companies out there who could make machines to run OSX better than what Apple makes?

    We are a long, long way from the original intent of patents.

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  6. Re:DRM is code for You Are Serfs by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Corporate income tax rate in US is highest on the planet.

    You dumb sonofabitch. Do you not know the difference between a corporate tax rate and how much a corporation actually pays?

    http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/0...

    Corporations in the US pay about as much as Ireland, which is known for it's low corporate tax rate. And less than Hong Kong.

    The difference between the corporate tax rate in the US and the corporate tax rates in the rest of the developed world is that the rest of the world actually means what they say. It's not just a dodge to make citizens feel like corporations are paying their fair share, as it is in the US.

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  7. Re:DRM is code for You Are Serfs by jandjmh · · Score: 2

    The theoretical rate is high, the actual tax paid is low. Tax expemptions and credits and offshoring of profits have allowed US corporations to legally avoid most of the taxes they once paid.

  8. Bold print, 20% discount by raymorris · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One court upheld it, another may not. The argument AGAINST Lexmark is pretty obvious. Two things argue FOR Lexmark. First, this has to do with discounted cartridges sold at a 20% discount IN EXCHANGE for agreeing to return them to Lexmark (and only Lexmark) for refurbishing. Cartridges without the discount and return agreement were widely available. Secondly, it's stipulated that the return provision was obvious on the signs and packaging, along with a statement "unrestricted catridges are available at Lexmark.com and elsewhere."

    If I were the judge, I'd not allow Lexmark to REQUIRE consumers agree to those terms. But that's not what happened. I might ALLOW consumers to choose between an unrestricted catridge for $15 OR agreeing to return it in order to save $3. That's the case here. Consumers could have their cartridges refilled any where they please, or they could instead choose to get a discount by agreeing to return them only to Lexmark. In general, I have hard time making it illegal to offer consumers more choices.

  9. Re:Makes as much sense as any patent. by NormalVisual · · Score: 2

    Patent law does not prevent you from arranging anything in any configuration you want. It only prevents you from selling the result.

    Very first paragraph of 35 USC 271:

    (a) Except as otherwise provided in this title, whoever without authority makes, uses, offers to sell, or sells any patented invention, within the United States or imports into the United States any patented invention during the term of the patent therefor, infringes the patent.

    Patent law (in the U.S. anyway) covers more than what you might believe.

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  10. Re:Is there _any_ difference? by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Informative

    Capitalism/fascism is where the corporations own the state. Communism is where the state owns the corporations. The results are similar, even if their philosophy is opposite.

  11. Re:Bold print, 20% discount by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Was every store required to carry both SKUs? If the answer is "no" (and given how valuable shelf space is, I'd bet that it is), they're effectively forcing customers to buy what is readily available. And even if the answer is "yes", they still probably don't have a case.

    Normally, a physical product (as opposed to something that has actual copyright protection) cannot be licensed. It can be sold, or it can be rented. Either the customer owns it or they don't. If they do, then they can do anything they want to with it. Once a product is sold, the original manufacturer has no legal right to limit its use. The SCOTUS has consistently tossed out attempts at post-sale restraint.

    If a product is rented, there must be a legal contract in place, which means, among other things, that the customer must clearly understand that he or she is just renting the product, rather than buying it. If it looks too much like a sale, once again, post-sale restraint gets tossed out. And that's true even for cases involving patents.

    I'd be utterly shocked if Lexmark won this, assuming it bubbles up to a high enough court. There's way too much case law precedent saying that they should get their a**es handed to them. It would require the courts doing a complete 180 from their consistent position on this issue over the last century.

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  12. Re:Bad editorial by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... Once they make it, or sell the rights to make it, the first sale doctrine trumps their IP claims on the device. I don't need Ford's permission to sell my car. Nor do I need Lexmark's permission to sell, resell, buy, or refill a used cartridge. They got paid for the first making of the device, and that's where their rights end.

  13. Re:Bold print, 20% discount by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

    But that's an agreement between the consumer and Lexmark. It has nothing to do with the refiller, they were never a party to the agreement.
    Aren't the IP rights for the cartridge exhausted by the first sale doctrine?

  14. Re:Did anyone read the article? by turbidostato · · Score: 2

    "Lots of ranting, no substance. By buying a Lexmark cartridge you are agreeing to the following [...]"

    Only, no, you are not.
    1) I was not informed about the contract *prior* to the exchange of money to be settled. All the conditions I'm bound to are those set before the money exchange.
    2) Even without 1, this is an adhesion contract on terms I wasn't able to negotiate and the clause you cite is void and null because of the first-sale doctrine.

  15. Re:Makes as much sense as any patent. by turbidostato · · Score: 2

    "In a world without patents or copyright, there would be only curiosity left to drive innovation."

    That's obvious bullshit.

    The real thing you wanted to say is "in a world without financial incentives only other non-financial incentives would drive innovation".

  16. Re:Good point regarding precedent by dgatwood · · Score: 2

    You have a good point regarding precedent. Of course the landmark case specifically ruled "sold at full price", so it makes Lexmark sense that Lexmark is pointing out the discount.

    What is "full price"? We're not talking about a product sold directly by the manufacturer here; it's a product sold by a store at an arbitrary price point. The discounted ink cartridge at Office Depot might cost the same as the non-discounted version from another local retailer, at which point even that theoretical consideration goes out the window unless the cheapest local vendor sells both products.

    And unless the customer was made clearly aware of the obligation to return the product prior to purchase (rather than tossing it out or returning it via the reseller's normal recycling channel)—and no, mere text on the box probably isn't sufficient, for the same reason that shrinkwrap licenses are dubious—I would argue that the discount likely wouldn't be perceived by the purchaser as consideration in exchange for agreeing to the license in the first place, in which case it isn't a valid contract, and because sale of a product is generally considered to automatically confer the use of all patents as embodied in that product by default (or at least that's my understanding), a preexisting contract between Lexmark and the customer is the only way in which such a license should be binding in the first place.

    Besides, given Lexmark's sleazy DMCA abuse just a few years ago, I'd hope that any judge who knows their history would toss about the word "barratry" by the end of Lexmark's opening arguments, but maybe that's just me. :-)

    On the other hand, I could see instances where agreements to sell with a condition make sense. Suppose I developed a tool for finding and buying things on eBay, which I successfully use for buying used RAID cards at the best prices. You want to buy baseball cards at the best prices. So I offer to sell you the tool, on the condition that you not use it to buy RAID cards, in competition with me. You can use it to buy anything else. That's fine with you, because you don't WANT to buy RAID cards, you want to buy baseball cards. Should it be illegal for us to make a mutually beneficial deal? (BTW I actually DID build such a tool, and it also benefits the sellers).

    That's a little different, as it isn't really a consumer product that you would purchase off the shelf. Presumably that's software, which typically does require someone to agree to licensing terms. Whether those terms are valid or not is... complex, but given that you're talking about specialized software that is presumably sold directly to specific customers, there's nothing preventing you from requiring them to sign a contract that limits their use with a noncompete clause prior to delivering the goods. Either way, it would be contract law and/or copyright law that would be used for enforcing such terms, rather than patent law.

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