Slashdot Mirror


Intel Drops Support For Science Talent Search

An anonymous reader writes: Started by Westinghouse Electric, the Science Talent Search (STS) has for 73 years been the nation's oldest and most prestigious science competition for high school students. Intel has been sponsoring the competition since 1998 at an annual cost of approximately ~$6M, representing 0.01 of the company's $56B revenue last year. Intel's abrupt decision to cancel sponsorship of this beloved and venerable institution is baffling to students and educators the world over. Former STS finalists include inventor Ray Kurzweil and physicist Brian Greene.

18 of 115 comments (clear)

  1. How much for the Diversity Initiative? by sithkhan · · Score: 5, Informative

    $300 million? Oh, that's right, the executive who pushed Intel this direction is leaving now. Here's her announcement to leave: https://archive.is/egdkd Here's her announcement for the Diversity Program. https://archive.is/YYbrY Here's where that $300 million came from: https://archive.is/EIqxl

    --

    is it that bad seein a hot chick again? if i see a hot chick walkin down the hall i dont say "repost"
    1. Re:How much for the Diversity Initiative? by Sara+Chan · · Score: 2

      Moderators, please, this is not a troll: not even if you do not like what it says.

    2. Re:How much for the Diversity Initiative? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      From your third link: "Intel may be planning layoffs based on poor outlook for PC industry in 2015"

      So somehow less revenue from the PC industry creates £300m to pay for a diversity programme. I think your logic may have a flaw.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    3. Re:How much for the Diversity Initiative? by SunTzuWarmaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The above paints a (probably accurate) picture that Intel is cutting $300M in R&D and starting $300M in Diversity Initiatives. The STS highlights "Independent individual [student] research", and is (likely) funded out of the R&D budget. It seems like a pretty clear message of valuing genitalia/pigmentation above talent/competence. I disagree with this corporate value stance, but it is not my company.

      I really hate to think of the R&D scientists/engineers who will be laid off, go without equipment, or be unable to investigate new projects because the company believes that more representatives having certain genitalia or pigmentation should instead be subsidized. Doubly so for student researchers (bearing the wrong genitalia or pigmentation).

    4. Re:How much for the Diversity Initiative? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The above paints a (probably accurate) picture that Intel is cutting $300M in R&D and starting $300M in Diversity Initiatives.

      It doesn't say that at all. For a start it's not even comparing the same things. $300M for diversity is a one-off cost, $300M from R&D is a repeating cost year on year.

      Also note that Intel has just bid $16.7Bn (with a B) for Altera. Sounds like they are pivoting away from desktop and into other areas, rather than simply diverting money. If anything is sucking money away from R&D it's probably the fact that they just bought a company with a huge R&D department.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  2. irrelevant by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

    Intel has been sponsoring the competition since 1998 at an annual cost of approximately ~$6M, representing 0.01 of the company's $56B revenue last year

    If we're going to be on a website where people presumably understand basic math, can we at least use the relevant number? Revenue is not money that a company can use freely......most of it goes to paying for supplies, paying employees, etc.

    A more relevant number is profit, that tells you how much money a company has after paying the bills. Another interesting number might be the advertising budget, since that's kind of what Intel is doing there.

    --
    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    1. Re:irrelevant by ATMAvatar · · Score: 2

      By their own word, revenue was $55.9 billion, and net income was $11.7 billion, so it's 0.05% of their net income.

      --
      "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    2. Re:irrelevant by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      And it's probably a smaller percentage than that, since it probably counts as a tax deduction.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    3. Re:irrelevant by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Well it can use it freely, and that's kind of the point, it can spend it on what it likes,

      It really can't.....if someone builds Intel a $4billion fab, and Intel decides not to pay, then Intel will not be in business very long, and possibly will have execs in jail afterwards. In a typical company, most revenue goes towards paying employees, suppliers, and such. In a lot of companies, a good chunk of it goes to advertising. Usually only a small percentage of revenue is available for discretionary purposes, but it varies widely by industry.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  3. Re:Gender/Racial makeup of the results was behind by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    The gender distribution was getting more and more female, so that's probably not why. One year, Natalie Portman was a winner.

    Hot grits!!

    --
    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  4. Re:Doesn't fit the SJW agenda by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would love to see some Chinese company take over the sponsorship from Intel.

  5. Lack of interest in basic science? by ErichTheRed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    “It’s such a premier event in terms of young people and technology,” Mr. Barrett said. “But they appear to be more interested in applied things, like” Maker Faire, an all-ages event that showcases homemade engineering projects.

    I see everyone jumping on the diversity bandwagon as an explanation, but I'm guessing one of the reasons they're not supporting this anymore is that it doesn't fit with their business model anymore. To a layman, technology is more about apps and social media now than the solid state electronics, physics and chemistry needed to power it. Of course, no one thinks about the fact that these fundamentals will have to keep advancing if we want cheaper, faster, smaller computers and phones to run those apps on. This is a pretty clear signal that Intel is an engineering company, not a science company.

    Corporate basic research is pretty much dead now unfortunately -- Bell Labs is a tiny sliver of what it was, HP is almost entirely product-focused now, and who knows what's going on with IBM. Things like this, plus the fact that scientists are entering a shrinking market and treated badly, are only going to serve to reduce the number of students interested in science. US science students are seeing a lot of the same things IT workers are seeing now -- foreign students willing to work for any wage just to get the opportunity to study here, the slow demise of permanent solid employment, and a general lack of interest by the public.

    It's going to take something like the Chinese colonizing Mars and extracting all its natural resources before a Soviet-style space race shocks the US out of its disinterest in science. This was one of the only good things to come out of the Cold War -- look how many state university systems were built up in the 60s and 70s and how much research got funded without griping about the cost.

    1. Re:Lack of interest in basic science? by labradore · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes. Intel is an Engineering company. And it's a science company.

      Have you looked into how a fab works? How semiconductors work? Chipmakers depend more directly upon using and advancing science than possibly any other industry. Oil and gas companies possibly come close. Advancing the state of the chip making art is not about recombining well-known facts of physics in clever ways or managing complexity more creatively (though that's part of it). It's about finding and using new discoveries with science and making use of them at scale. Every technology node ("transistor shrink") requires advancing the limits of manufacturing for thousands of processes. Intel has armies of people trained purely in physics, chemistry, materials science, etc. solving the problems of reliably scaling the manufacture of things that just couldn't be made even just a few years ago.

      Yes, they have suppliers who make very specialized equipment. These guys are ostensibly even closer to the "science". But, none of this really works without a lot of cooperation.

      Let's be clear: Intel's profits shrink fast if science doesn't advance.

      Funding STS is just about the most appropriate thing for these guys to do.

  6. How Common Is This? by Kunedog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After the Gnome Foundation said they were out of money, it was revealed that they had blown a huge chunk of the budget on "women's outreach" instead of developing software. The top dog (Karen Sandler) departed soon after.

    Will companies ever get savvy enough to detect these ideologues before it's too late, or will they do a lot more damage in the future? We've all seen what's happened at Reddit . . .

  7. Re:Probably not enough women and minorities winnin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    SJW's don't count jews and asians as minorities, only blacks and some hispanics (not the rich or successful ones). The second your race or religion begins to succeed, then SJW's can't use you as an example of evil white male oppression, and so you're not a minority anymore.

  8. Re:Gender/Racial makeup of the results was behind by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

    Your parents emphasize education, as do East Asian parents. Studies show family emphasis on education outweighs any other factor.

    The Left and Right argue about funding levels, and what goes where, but both ignore this elephant in the room.

    You would have done well going to a terrible school, as would East Asian kids. Kids from families that don't care won't do very much better in an awesome school. The link with money per pupil, class size, and so on is gossamer compared to family emphasis on scholastics. These are red herring talking points.

    --
    (-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
  9. Re:Probably not enough women and minorities winnin by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 2

    Jews are the only minority that can occupy two spots on the organizational ladder of "oppression", bot the bottom rung as "most oppressed" as well as the top rung "publicly make jokes and articles about running the media and influencing politics." As various SJWs argue over which of them is more oppressed than the next, Jews take an entirely different stance, proving that the ladder is in fact a wheel that we are simply viewing in 2D.

    --
    http://i.cubeupload.com/T6cyLu.png
  10. They just spent $300m on a "diversity drive"... by gnaarly · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Intel just spent $300 million on a "diversity drive". But $6m for a race-and-gender-neutral science talent search was too much for them.

    Of course, there's a radical subset of the population who hates that I point this out.