New Tech Puts the Brakes On Bullets Fired From Police Sidearms

Zothecula writes: Police officers are trained to shoot for the center of mass, not necessarily to kill, but to stop – although the end result can often be one and the same. "The Alternative" is designed to give officers a less lethal option in the form of a clip-on "air bag" for semiautomatic pistols that reduces the velocity of a standard round to make it less lethal. At the front of the bright orange carrier is a hollow sphere made of a proprietary alloy that catches the bullet and firmly embeds it as it leaves the barrel. The ball and bullet fuse, slowing the round by 80 percent. At this speed, the ball-encased round is less likely to penetrate flesh, but it will transfer enough kinetic energy across a wide surface to knock a suspect down with less chance of a lethal outcome.

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Re:How about take away their guns.

[Anonymous Coward]

But then how would they kill us?

Bullets don't knock people down

[SpaceManFlip]

This is stupid because a normal bullet doesn't even have the kinetic energy to knock over a person. That is all Hollywood make-believe.
There's a whole series of tests done on Mythbusters that debunked the concept.
So these bullets are going EVEN SLOWER than normal ones, and it's supposed to "knock down" a person?
Think about this: a typical 9mm round will be 115 grains or 124 grains in weight. One grain is 1/7000 of a pound. We're talking about a projectile going in the ballpark of 1000 fps that weighs only about 0.0177 pounds for the 124 grain bullet. There simply is no knock-down potential.

Now, on the other hand, if you are seriously injured by one of those projectiles, you'll probably fall over in pain. Or you might also just fall over dead.

Re:Bullets don't knock people down

[Firethorn]

Mythbusters did an episode on this. They had to hit the pig with their biggest rounds while it was wearing armor to knock it down when it was being held up by the most sensitive of systems.

What's more likely is a biological reason for falling down. The body's systems have just been disrupted, and a human stays up only by sensitive balance anyways, it's fundamentally unstable most of the time. Shock, surprise, pain, and such disrupt the balancing act, and they hit the dirt.

That being said, this device seems to be about 3/4 of a beanbag round(calculations here), so it's logical to figure that it works much the same way - inflict a sharp blow that causes a muscle spasm, or such, disabling the target long enough for officers to move in and finish subduing.

Re:How about take away their guns.

[x0ra]

Did you forgot the part where he also tried to kill a LEO using his service pistol ?

Re:How about take away their guns.

[knightghost]

The only way to disarm criminals is arm citizens. And let the police do their damn job instead of whining about another thug being shot.

You can't even guarantee most guns can even consistently fire (except for Glock), this looks like more of the tech-solves-everything blind faith.

Re:sorry son

[x0ra]

Unfortunately, there is evidence of Mike Brown's blood inside the cruiser, as well as powder residue on his hand / arm. Now, I guess you're gonna say that the blood splashed from 50 feet into the cruiser, and as did the powder residue on Mike's arm.

Re:Newtonian physics

[raftpeople]

Bullet slowed (reducing kinetic energy) but plastic cap was accelerated (increasing kinetic energy) - so 80% drop in speed of bullet does not tell you the kinetic energy of the system as a whole after the collision, seems like there would be some loss but that would be due to heat during collision.

Re:Newtonian physics

[Firethorn]

Are you accounting for the extra mass of the airbag device? Going by physics:
It's momentum is 370*7.5 = 2775 gm/s
2775/75 m/s = 37 grams for "the alternative" + bullet, meaning the sphere should weigh ~30 grams.

37 grams@75m/s = 208 J

BTW, when I calc your figure I come up with 42 J, not 21.
7.5 grains* (75 m/s)^2 = 42.2 J

By the way, I looked up Bean bag rounds.
40 grams@70-90 m/s, which impacts ~6cm^2.

Seems roughly equivalent to me. The ball is right in that velocity zone, a little light by my estimate, but it's likely to impact a slightly smaller area. Might just work.

Re:Newtonian physics

[LynnwoodRooster]

Energy - 1/2 m v^2 - you're forgetting the factor of 0.5 up-front. That will get you the right number.