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Can High-Tech Academia Survive Silicon Valley's Talent Binge?

An anonymous reader writes: Earlier this year, Carnegie Mellon had one of the most capable robotics research centers in the world. Then, Uber hired away dozens of workers in a frantic push to jump start development of autonomous driving technology, which left CMU reeling. Now the NY Times asks whether such high-tech labs can continue to exist; Silicon Valley seems ready to flood such organizations with money whenever a vital new technology is almost ripe. "Carnegie Mellon's experience is a familiar one in the world of high-tech research. As a field matures, universities can wake up one day to find money flooding the premises; suddenly they're in a talent war with deep-pocketed firms from Silicon Valley. The impacts are also intellectual. When researchers leave for industry, their expertise winks off the map; they usually can't publish what they discover — or even talk about it over drinks with former colleagues. ... [Also], the intellectual register of their work changes. No more exploring hard, ''basic'' problems out of deep curiosity; they need to solve problems that will make their employers money."

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  1. I get the concern, but .... by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ultimately, part of me is screaming "Good! Who cares?!" inside.

    That's because educational institutions should be staffed with people who have the burning desire to teach other people. It's not for everyone, but there's a big difference between the person who is really interested in a subject, and the person who is really interested in sharing knowledge about the subject with as many others as possible.

    If an entire lab full of faculty was poached by corporations, that tells me those people were more interested in big paychecks and/or being a part of a commercial project than in teaching.

    It's a big mistake for a college or university to go down the road of trying to pay more and more, to "compete" with businesses for staff. That just raises the price of tuition and puts the education out of reach of more people. Precisely what the schools should NOT be about. Maybe they need to consider more flexible options to let experts in these industries come in and teach 1 or 2 classes, part-time? Otherwise, maybe they're getting too specific with what they're teaching, if their workers keep getting pulled right out for very specific corporate projects. Seems to me you can run a technology or science lab that teaches all sorts of concepts useful to a person interested in building an autonomous vehicle, without running autonomous vehicle research labs themselves.

  2. Ordinarily, yes, it works out. by golodh · · Score: 3, Interesting
    A researcher's "utility function" is usually something of a weighted sum of research opportunities, access to inspiring colleagues and talented students, academic freedom plus non-interference from outside the academy, and salary.

    Usually private industry can outbid universities in terms of salary but lags behind in terms of academic freedom, access to talented colleagues.

    However, usually there are sufficient (good) academics who opt for a poor (typically for post-docs and junior assistant professors), modest (assistant to associate professors) to adequate (associate and full professors) salary (depending on whether or where you can get tenure) in an academic atmosphere over a more highly paid job where you're just another employee.

    It mostly works out in the long run. Of course there are blips when you get patented ideological nutcases like gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin and even core staff are pushed out. But mostly it evens out. Even for valuable tech subjects.

    Very good professors (full, associate, and assistant) often manage to combine academic work and consultancy (especially at technological institutes). Especially when they aren't bogged down by their teaching workload.

  3. Re:That's the dumbest question I've ever read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    University budgets are bloated wastes of favoritism and graft, with a hefty dose of social engineering tossed in.
    In the past 30 years, college tuition has more than tripled. Student enrollment has gone up about 50%, professor employment has gone up about 40%, and administrator employment has gone up about 500%.

    You're paying for the Black Women's Counselor, the Dorm Wellness Counselor, the Diversity Counselor, the Living Well Counselor, the Sexual Awareness Counselor, the Excessive Counseling Counselor, and all their staffs... One university recently discovered it had more than 100 managers that had no more than ONE person they managed.