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Advanced Civilizations Probably Don't Exist In Our Galactic Neighborhood

schwit1 writes: New observations of the best candidate galaxies now suggest that advanced civilizations are very rare or don't exist in the local universe. Researchers looked at several hundred nearby galaxies that emitted a high amount of mid-infrared radiation (abstract), which could possibly be produced as the waste heat from civilizations using energy on galactic scales.

They found: "The presence of radio emission at the levels expected from the correlation, suggests that the mid-IR emission is not heat from alien factories but more likely emission from dust — for example, dust generated and heated by regions of massive star formation. As Professor Garrett explains: 'the original research at Penn State has already told us that such systems are very rare but the new analysis suggests that this is probably an understatement, and that advanced Kardashev Type III civilizations basically don't exist in the local Universe.'"

Obviously, the uncertainty of these results is quite high. Nonetheless, the results indicate that either humanity really is the only intelligent species in this part of the universe, or advanced civilizations are far more efficient in their use of energy than is reasonable to assume.

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  1. Evidence of the Great Filter? by cunniff · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Planets are common. Planets within the habitable zone look like they are common. So, is this evidence of the Great Filter - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ?

    1. Re:Evidence of the Great Filter? by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would tend to agree. Even within our own human population it seems that only a relatively small number of people have allowed us to advance past the age of agriculture, into the age of electronics and interconnected networks. If the average person was just a little bit dumber, we probably wouldn't be able to sustain the level of technology we currently have. If the average IQ of people was closer to where an IQ of 75 currently is, we'd probably never reach the point where the average person could read, because they would lack the cognitive capacity to do it, or it would take so much training for such a low level of reading, that the effort would be close to useless.

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      Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
    2. Re:Evidence of the Great Filter? by kat_skan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even if it isn't rare, and human-like civilization also isn't rare, there's still no guarantee that we would have heard from them by now. Our own radio signals have only reached a tiny fraction of our galaxy, which is just one out of hundreds of billions. The Universe is just so stupefyingly, mind-blowingly enormous it's hard to say how common advanced civilizations are based on evidence from the scant few decades we've been listening for them.

    3. Re:Evidence of the Great Filter? by invid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A good candidate for the filter is the ability to do math. Think about how few humans can even do calculus. We might discover the universe filled with semi-intelligent species with number systems with only 3 numbers: one, two, and many.

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      The Moore-Murphy Law: The number of things that will go wrong will double every 2 years.
  2. Nonsense, the evidence is all around us. by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The firmament is peppered with huge concentrations of high-density plasma, supporting computation and communication far beyond the capacity of low-temperature, low-energy, solid-state matter. The byproducts of all that computation and communication look to us like thermal and optical noise because, being advanced, the minds running on them do so efficiently. Why leak information out into the vast, cold universe before you've taken full advantage of your substrate's Shannon capacity?

    But, no, you're probably right. If there are other civilizations out there, why aren't we seeing the smoke from their cook-fires?

  3. Re:For how long are we "advanced" enough by war4peace · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm no expert, but I remember reading that digital communication is virtually undetectable at galactic distances, because it fades way more quickly and becomes indistinguishable from background noise.
    About the heat emissions... dunno what to say. An advanced civilization might be so thinned out, galactic-wise that it would emit an insignificant amount of heat. Or it could be a race which doesn't reproduce easily and lives for a long time, e.g. a couple million sentient beings per planet, who need very little in terms of energy. The possibilities are limitless.

    Just wondering... how much heat does mankind generate? Can someone 1000 LY away detect our heat emissions?

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