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Technology Colonialism

jrepin sends an editorial from Anjuan Simmons on how tech companies are behaving more and more in a manner that evokes colonialism. Quoting: Technology companies are increasingly being treated like sovereign nations. A nation with sovereignty has a right to conduct its internal affairs without interference from other nations. ... When technology companies are feted by foreign ministers and also refuse an invitation from the leader of their own country of origin, they exhibit the characteristics of a group that wants to be treated as a peer to heads of state. Technology companies understand the power they wield in the global economy. ... If Silicon Valley is allowed to become the central repository of information about people around the world, then there is a danger of setting up a form of imperialism based on personal data. Just as the royal powers of old reached far into the lives of distant colonized people, technology companies gain immense control with every terabyte of personal data they store and analyze.

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  1. Translation: by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "I want everyone to hate what I hate as much as I hate it, so here's some extremely shaky logic that attempts to conflate what I hate to something that most people already hate, because what I hate most of all is coming up with real, cogent arguments. Hate!"

    1. Re:Translation: by epyT-R · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oh wow, this article reads like a pravda piece might have during the height of the cold war. Lets do a sanity check. We have two 'trigger' words in this summary: 'colonialism' and 'imperialism', in newspeak contexts. Lets click on the link and see... Ah, the slogan is "Technology, culture and diversity media." We have another newspeak term: 'diversity', as any individual daring to identify as an individual or, worse, act in his own interest, is obviously a racist, sexist 'imperialist' pig dead set on world domination. Care to guess the politics of the submitter and/or the source?

      However, despite being invited, Zuckerberg, Marissa Mayer, and Larry Page and Eric Schmidt, perhaps feeling their own imperial bona fides, decided to skip the president’s speech.

      Like, how DARE they skip out on Dear Leader??! They need to check their privilege!

      I'm all for protecting personal identity, rights, and liberty from predatory people and organizations (private AND public!), but this source is just a tad biased, folks. Too biased for its analysis to be much use. This article spends too much time bitching about the corp-rats, and no time dealing with the big elephants in the room, the ones issuing mandatory surveillance law and gag orders to silence criticism and dissent from those who would rather opt out. If the political culture in western countries still respected individual rights over groupthink knee jerking, we wouldn't have half the privacy concerns we do.

  2. how does it apply to MS and Google? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 2

    the same ones who have been sued and being sued by government around the world? how about when GE tried to buy Allied in 2000 and the Europeans said no and killed the deal? what about when reagan told japanese car makers to make their cars in the USA and they complied? The president is not a king and no one has to run and see him. some of you kids need to realize we live in a nation of laws and private companies can tell the government to fcuk off if they wanted to. happens all the time. the reason why we have paid warranties on everything now is that around 2000 UPS won a big case against the IRS concerning writing off the risk of selling insurance even when you minimize your risk to almost nothing.

  3. Acting like != being by gurps_npc · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Look, my 6 year old niece acts like a queen, that doesn't make her one.

    Their are significant differences between corporations and countries.

    Corporations care about money above all else - countries care about many things.

    Corporations don't publicly arrest, imprison, or kill people, all countries do this, all the time, publicly, etc.

    Corporations don't care about location, countries build it into their system

    Some corporations agree to subordination, while all countries insist on superiority/equality (Countries always claim that they are in charge, not the corporations - even if in reality is the other way around).

    I have seen no corporation coming anywhere close to claiming to have the powers of a country. It simply does not exist.

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    1. Re:Acting like != being by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Informative

      Corporations don't publicly arrest, imprison, or kill people

      In Missouri, they do now!

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    2. Re:Acting like != being by Krishnoid · · Score: 2

      Look, my 6 year old niece acts like a queen, that doesn't make her one.

      No duh. At that age, she has to first pay her dues and settle for being princess for a while. Maybe even just a lady or duchess.

    3. Re:Acting like != being by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Informative

      To make my previous post more clear: the letter I linked to was the governor explaining why he vetoed the bill that would give private security officers the same powers as commissioned police. As of two days ago, his veto was overridden and that bill is now law.

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    4. Re:Acting like != being by halivar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Corporations care about money above all else - countries care about many things.

      But most of those things boil down to money, either in cash or resources. Almost every war, even wars purportedly of religion, begin because someone has something someone else wants.

      I have seen no corporation coming anywhere close to claiming to have the powers of a country. It simply does not exist.

      The RIAA and the MPAA use to send out "swat" teams with their jackets emblazoned with their cartel acronym (in the style of the FBI or ATF) to shakedown street bootleggers. Orin Hatch suggested in a senate hearing on piracy that the RIAA should be allowed to remotely destroy computers hosting songs. The idea is not lunacy.

    5. Re:Acting like != being by thrig · · Score: 2

      The history of the Pinkerton National Detective Agency may also be a relevant line of research wrt corporate power.

    6. Re:Acting like != being by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have seen no corporation coming anywhere close to claiming to have the powers of a country.

      Dutch East India Company
      "It was a powerful company, possessing quasi-governmental powers, including the ability to wage war, imprison and execute convicts,[5] negotiate treaties, strike its own coins, and establish colonies.[6]"

      "By 1669, the VOC was the richest private company the world had ever seen, with over 150 merchant ships, 40 warships, 50,000 employees, a private army of 10,000 soldiers, and a dividend payment of 40% on the original investment.[28]"

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    7. Re:Acting like != being by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

      She could be on Naboo.

  4. Facebook delenda est by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This illustrates why the Free Software movement is so incredibly important. But it isn't just Free "Software" that we need; it's Free Protocols, standards and systems. It is intolerable to allow the Internet to be carved into centralized, single-company-controlled silos like Facebook, Twitter, and Google's various services because they abuse that control for their own ends, and will only expand the degree of that abuse in the future. It is inevitable that they will eventually use their privileged position to unduly control world events, if they aren't doing so already.

    It is not enough to simply avoid using those things; they are already actively working to rape us of our privacy (through third parties) whether we participate or not. We have a moral imperative to both actively resist having anyone use them and to build decentralized, privacy-respecting replacements.

    Of course, that's easy to say. With all the money and power vested in asserting totalitarian control over the world's information against us, how do we win?

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    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    1. Re:Facebook delenda est by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      In today's world it is up to each person to guard their own privacy.

      Too bad doing so is literally impossible.

      Plenty of free tools for e-mail and messaging encryption and anonymous web browsing. Stop using any social media services. If you are really paranoid only use public Internet cafes when going online. Stop using the Internet altogether.

      Awesome. Now tell me how to stop third parties (e.g. friends, family, utility companies, credit reporting agencies, anybody operating surveillance cameras, the government) from sharing so much information about me that anything I might have posted on Facebook could have been extrapolated anyway. That's the problem!

      More importantly, tell me how I can accomplish all that while still being able to exercise my 1st Amendment rights of free speech and free association (as opposed to dropping out of society to subsist in a cabin in the woods somewhere).

      I mean, did you pay attention to my previous post at all? Did you read the article I cited, which illustrated how (for example) if social media had existed in the 1700s the British could have used it to quash the American Revolution before it began by identifying and taking out key individuals? How do we know Facebook, Google etc. aren't using the same tactics right now?

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  5. Is this a pseudonym for John Katz? by enjar · · Score: 2

    Sweet Jesus. Will you get on with THE POINT?

  6. Voluntary colonialism by bhagwad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If people give up their data willingly, that is not colonialism. Colonialism dealt with the forcible removal of people's rights. When it's voluntary, no one has any business complaining. It's not hard to understand.

    1. Re:Voluntary colonialism by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      American colonists famously bought Manhattan island from the natives for proverbial beads and trinkets. You may call that "voluntary," but it's still abusive.

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    2. Re:Voluntary colonialism by bhagwad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Buying Manhattan by itself couldn't be called colonialism. The real problem with colonialism is the eventual suppression of human rights, murder etc. Without human rights violations, there would be no problem with colonialism.

      Let me put in this way. I'm an Indian (as in India - the east. Not native American). The British were a problem only because there were human rights violations. Let's say the British instead had democratic elections and people freely chose a British national to govern instead of an Indian, I would have absolutely no problems with that. That would not be called colonialism.

      As long as there are no human rights violations, there's no complaint. And tech companies are not engaging in that kind of thing.

    3. Re:Voluntary colonialism by radarskiy · · Score: 2

      Peter Minuit bought Manhattan Island from Native Americans who did not control the area. You may call that "fraud", but is still hilarious.

  7. China in the NYT by Tokolosh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm guessing it's related to a report:

    SHANGHAI (Reuters) - China is asking some U.S. technology firms to directly pledge their commitment to contentious policies that could require them to turn user data and intellectual property over to the government, The New York Times reported.

    Citing unidentified sources, the report said Beijing had distributed a document to some U.S. firms earlier this summer asking them to promise they would not harm China’s national security and would store Chinese user data within the country.

    The NYT report, which comes just ahead of President Xi Jinping's first state visit to the United States, did not identify which companies had been asked to make the pledge.

    The document also asked the companies that their products be "secure and controllable", a phrase that industry groups said could be used to force companies to build so-called back doors that would allow third-party access to systems, it said.

    Officials at the Cyberspace Administration of China did not respond to a faxed request seeking comment.

    Sources told Reuters last month that China had resumed work on a set of banking cyber security regulations it suspended earlier this year.

    The previous regulations - containing provisions that required Chinese banks to buy more domestic IT equipment and Western tech vendors to disclose secret source code if they sell to lenders - drew strong protests from foreign business lobbies, the U.S. and European governments.

    China regulators suspended the plan in April, saying they would consider feedback from domestic banks. The suspension was seen as a diplomatic victory for the Obama administration, coming shortly after visits to Beijing by Treasury Secretary Jack Lew and Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker.

    In July, China's legislature adopted a sweeping national security law that said all key network infrastructure and information systems must be "secure and controllable".

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  8. Re:Why invent a new word? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's called fascism, folks.

    No, it's not. It's also not called Colonialism.

    When technology companies are feted by foreign ministers and also refuse an invitation from the leader of their own country of origin, they exhibit the characteristics of a group that wants to be treated as a peer to heads of state

    So? Every Citizen in a Free Society ought to be treated as a Peer to Heads of State.

    Corporations and Individuals should not have to "answer" to the Head of State, only to the Law. Quite the opposite in fact- it is the Heads of State who should be held accountable to the Citizens, and the Laws should hold only as much power as the Population grants them.

  9. Summary by u19925 · · Score: 2

    ==> I hate tech and you should too.

    Seriously, this is one of the worst editorial ever. Some real gems:

    -- "It is unclear how much pressure these government bodies can impose on companies like Microsoft when they are so dependent on the company’s products."
    By this logic, Boeing, GE, .... are not regulated either.

    -- "In December, Lei Wu, the top internet minister in China, met with Zuckerberg, Tim Cook, and Jeff Bezos at their corporate offices."
    Should Tim Cook, Mark Zuckerberg tell them not to meet them? What does the author expect here from tech CEOs?

    -- "There is a clear desire by many technology companies to create products that consumers can use regardless of the type of platform they have chosen."
    Is there a problem here?

    -- "These emails showed that attempts to hire an employee away from another company in the collective would be a career-ending move by the person responsible."
    Are these illegal activities limited to tech companies only? What about the whole financial industry? Tech or no tech, almost all giants corporations have paid heavy fines. Just yesterday, GM accepted guilt for ignition switch and paid 900 million fine (this is in addition to billions paid for civil lawsuits). ... I can go on an on....

  10. The Sixteenth Century called... by Livius · · Score: 2

    This is not a feature of the technology industry. This is exactly the behaviour of every industry that becomes arrogant, such as the automotive industry in the twentieth century, the railroad industry before then, monopoly trading companies like the East India Company, and banking as far back as the Middle Ages if not earlier.

  11. Re:Why invent a new word? by jenningsthecat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Corporations and Individuals should not have to "answer" to the Head of State, only to the Law. Quite the opposite in fact- it is the Heads of State who should be held accountable to the Citizens, and the Laws should hold only as much power as the Population grants them.

    I would agree with you if you didn't equate corporations with citizens. Perhaps corporations shouldn't have to answer to heads of state, but they bloody well ought to answer to government. The hierarchy should have citizens at the top, followed by the government in the middle, with corporations on the bottom. We've allowed that order to be reversed, and we're paying the price.

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  12. Where you stand depends on where you sit ... by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 2

    /. Monday: Microsoft and Apple are refusing to go along with government demands for data based on a court order. Conclusion: the government is repressive (or at least reactionary), those laws are unjust, and the companies resisting them are brave and noble. They have every right to challenge and resist those governments.

    /. Friday: Companies that think they are peers of democratically elected governments are a form of unaccountable imperialism making decisions for people with no accountability. They have no right to challenge or supplant those governments.

    Make up your damned minds people.

  13. Mostly Good by r-diddly · · Score: 2

    Pretty good writeup of all the similarities... the one glaring flaw being that he got hugely distracted by "white male." Racism exists, but tech companies don't use it to justify their hegemony -- instead they use the idea that they are always trying to improve things for you. Their way is the best way (whether you consent to it or not) and not by coincidence, this "best way" always involves more technology. Their technology.

    Every empire needs some principle by which it overtly justifies all the inevitable atrocities. For the European empires of centuries past, yes, that principle was racism, along with Christianity and a couple other things. Anyone doing it now has to pretend they're not doing it, i.e. make it covert. But "making the world a better place," you can say right out loud.