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A Call To RICO Climate Change Science Deniers
GregLaden writes: The argument could be made that the organized effort to disrupt climate change science and the development of effective policies to address climate change is criminal, costing life and property. The effort is known to be generally funded by various actors and there are people and organizations that certainly make money on this seemingly nefarious activity. A group of prominent scientists have written a letter to President Obama, Attorney General Lynch, and OSTP Director Holdren asking for this to be investigated under RICO laws, which were originally designed to address organized crime.
Climate change deniers are scientists too. The earth is not nor has it ever been outside of its normal range of possible temperatures -- we are still not even close to the "The Great Minoan Warm-up" -- and, the most polluted place on the planet -- Linfen, China has only raised 2 degrees F in 50 years. (You can confirm that with wolfram alpha if you like... You can chew Linfen's air -- that's how nasty it is... Anyway, our whole planet would have to look like Linfen to have this global impact and it just isn't going to happen since we don't actually live on most of the planet -- it's water. Does that mean we shouldn't control emissions? No, we definitely should -- there are health considerations to this, but it doesn't matter what we do... The planet will warm or cool as it pleases like it always has. Mostly, this is coming off to meas an NOAA funding scam -- because no one cares what the do so they have no money without a climate change media scare... And, consensus reality doesn't presume truth -- truth is from data and analysis.... These opinions are not congruent with the data... We're facing normal warming patterns so far -- we've had times in history where the Arctic ice completely melted off before -- this is nothing new. We are also in an El Nino pattern in the USA and historically that has lead to warmer wetter winters and cool summers -- they are projecting that it will last 2-5 years. Early in the 1900s and earlier the Arctic was experiencing and abnormally cold period and we're just going back to normal. In 2007 there was a "great rapid decline" that was probably climate related, but by the next year or so the ice had grown right back to where it was. We're not losing ice so much as the ice there is "new". Most of the melt is old ice -- that could be due to contaminates or just the fact that older ice reflects solar energy differently... either way it is still there... I have links.. But, I don't want to cream every related site with slashdotters... Mostly, I am not concerned that was should do everything we can to reduce our carbon footprint -- I am concerned that we shouldn't emit chemicals for health considerations. The heat won't kill us quickly, but a floating airborne cancer soup will. Do _NOT_ trust the US media at all with these issues -- they have been telling lies about other things as well... Try to get data from overseas sources who aren't influenced from the corporate world.... The EPA for example used to have air quality charts for years in the past for most of the world -- they took them off their site. Search: "Iceland 10000 year climate study" "Arctic Ice Cap Growing" (it has since 2012!)
And nobody has shown in any way that taxing consumers Trillions of dollars to enrich the elites running the credit trading schemes will do anything to reducing warming (or whatever we are worried about today). We do know it will destroy economies.
I love Jesus, except for his foreign policy.
"Not to start a flame war, but there are tons of scientists on both sides of this argument, " - well that's a great start by saying there are tons of scientists on both sides - there are hardly any on the dissenting side. over 95% of climate change studies are in agreement that climate change is happening. When you find 95% of of climate change studies say there is no climate change, please post a link
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
Remember "Hide the Decline"? That's when bona fide "scientists" came across an inconvenient truth.
Actually... Clearing up misconceptions regarding 'hide the decline'. I've linked to the "Basic" explanation, but there Intermediate and Advanced explanations that go into more detail.
People will pass up steak once a week, for crap every day.
You mean, right-wing bald-faced lies about Mann. This zombie BS is no different from the deranged wingers insisting, to this day, that the Clinton's ordered dozens of people to be killed in Arkansas to protect their drug running empire. Repeating big Big Lies doesn't make them true, Fraggie, it just makes you a bigger and more pathetic liar for repeating them.
And reveals you haven't bothered to think about this for two nanoseconds, because anyone seeking to falsify results for money would be doing so for the benefit of the fossil fuel industry. The entire budget for the top five hippie environmentalist groups wouldn't take up half the penny jar of Exxon or Koch Industries. And if government-funding came with some kind of bias, it would also be for the benefit of the fossil fuel industry.
The entirety of George W. Obama's policy on the Global War of Terror is centered around the world's gas station, otherwise known as the Middle East. The United States has successfully overthrown the governments of Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Libya, Ukraine to support the production and movement of fossil fuels, and is trying to do the same in Venezuela and Syria.
So, again, if government-funded research was going to have a bias one way or the other, it would be against AGW. Deal with it.