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An anonymous reader writes: I will be looking for a new laptop soon and I'm mostly interested in high reliability and Linux friendliness. I have been using an MSI laptop (with Windows 7) for the last five years as my main workhorse and did not have a single, even minor problem with the hardware nor the OS. It turned out to be a slam-dunk, although I didn't do any particular research before buying it, so I was just lucky. I would like to be more careful this time around, so this is a hardware question: What laptop do you recommend for high reliability with Linux? I will also appreciate any advice on what to avoid and any unfortunate horror stories; I guess we can all learn from those.
Anti-recommendations are probably just as valuable, a lesson I learned when an HP laptop I bought (low-end, I admit) turned out to be notoriously fickle when it comes to Linux support. Since our anonymous submitter doesn't specify his budget, it would be good if you specify the price for any specific laptops you recommend.
Dell Precision and Latitude machines have mostly worked for me over the years. Thinkpads also.
linux mint runs really well on it! everything works out of the box except the wifi, but you can just use ethernet to download the driver for the wifi adapter in the mint driver manager app. plus the screen is beautiful
I bought a Samsung series 9 a couple of years ago and Ubuntu works perfectly on it.
Just buy a System76 laptop. Everything will work, including suspend.
System76 has been selling Linux laptops for years now. I've never bought one, but they certainly have expertise in getting it to work.
The Dell M3800 (15") and M6800 (17") look well-built and officially support linux. I have no experience with either, but I researched them after I saw someone here on /. recommend the M3800 for linux, and I plan to buy a M6800. As a bonus, they're old enough models to also support Windows 7 (which is why I'm getting one).
I have Dell Precision M3800 for my work and it has been fantastic. It comes pre-configured with Ubuntu and thus saves you a hundred dollars vis-a-vis the Windows LIcense cost. I am very happy with the machine and use it has a workstation replacement. I push it hard and it has been fine. I would suggest that if you use it as a development machine to purchase a stand to allow it to cool properly. The graphic device drivers are great and it is an actual working touch-screen which I honestly don't use (emacs users) but does make the Unity interface actually usable. Link is here; http://www.dell.com/us/busines... Lenovo's have been good in the past but Lenovo is reducing quality fast and thus I would not suggest such a machine. HP also would not be a good choice. (Thanks Fiorina!)
I have the XPS 15 (consumer version of the M3800) and it's a beautiful machine (I actually have 2 of them). I use them with Ubuntu as my main OS with no problems since day 1.
I still highly recommend the Thinkpad T-series line, now owned by Lenovo, for running Linux on a laptop. I've been running Linux on various generations of the T-series since when IBM introduced the line (T21 running Fedora Core 1-4, then Gentoo), and I've never had any significant or insurmountable problems. They use mostly Intel parts and Intel tends to be fairly open source friendly which leads to them being easy to support. My current laptop is a T430s running Gentoo, and my prior laptop was a T400 also running Gentoo. Sleep/hibernate both work as does all the other features (video camera, ultrabay, etc.). The build quality is quite solid too (I only replaced my T400 because I wanted more than 8GB of RAM).
I have less experience with the other Thinkpad lines, but I would imagine both the X-series & W-series would also work well. If you go with a different brand, I generally recommend going straight to the business line (i.e. Dell Latitues, etc.) of the laptops for better build quality.
Sadly, PS/2 was yet another victim of USB, which doesn't care what you plug into it, the electrical slut.
Just not worth it...
Had one for a couple of years up until last year.
- Fan control was a problem, would get hot, then run fans on max.
- Wifi drivers were a pain, and didn't always recover from suspend reliably (needed reboots).
- Dealing with poorly documented Ubuntu PPAs to get drivers and docs for configuration is a chore.
- There are enough differences between model years that what once worked now doesn't. User's writing 'works for me' without specify which MacBook pro vintage they use is not helpful.
Replaced with an ASUS G550JK(https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/G550JK/) last year. Has same or better specs than a MacBook pro of the time, for a little over half the price, and the IPS display is beautiful. Everything just worked (Ubuntu 14.04). I almost miss messing about with drivers to make them work (not!).
Look at the laptops from System76, I am using their old lowest end right netbook now and it has worked flawlessly for years. It was $250 with Ubuntu pre-installed. I have no connection with that company (or any other for that matter).
Check out the FSF's recommendations for hardware at https://www.gnu.org/links/companies.html. It's hard to see how these wouldn't work out with GNU/Linux. In particular Minifree Ltd (http://minifree.org/) has some laptops that might interest you. They're modified ThinkPads so the hardware is pretty reasonable.
This is Off-topic, but I've had 3 MacBook pros over the years and all were awesome as Windows machines. Today all three of them are still in active use, not bad since the oldest one was purchased in 2008. Before then I had Dell, Toshiba, Compaq, Sony, and Gateway laptops, all of which had a critical failure by year 2. (With the exception of Dell they all had terrible displays, Toshiba by far being the worst.) I did have one Macbook whose logic board burnt out, but Apple fixed it and for some reason replaced the LCD while they were in there. Yes, that was under the AppleCare warranty.
Sorry, I have no Linux experience to share on these machines. Actually I was under the impression that Apple's silliness made it really difficult to get Linux on there. I'm currently miffed at them because they no longer support Windows 7 within Boot Camp, meaning I either have to upgrade to 10 or go with a different laptop brand next time I upgrade. I mention this because I don't really know what's keeping Apple from disallowing dual-booting into Linux.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
There's nothing "pro" about a laptop with no hardware buttons.
Acer, Asus, Dell, HP, Apple, Lenovo, Toshiba, Samsung, Sony, Foxcomm, Panasonic, Itronix, Sharp and you will be fine.
Every maker has issues. All of them. Some are purely design. Some are HW failures and some are driver related.
Only a specific model, for a specific version of Linux can be commented about.
For example, I have an Acer C720 chromebook - wiped chromeOS in the first 5 minutes and loaded Ubuntu. That was almost 2 yrs ago. Touchpad driver issues were the beginning and the lack of a delete key (common to all chromebooks). About 3 weeks ago, the 'n' key started getting picky. Last July, it was the '7' - a simple cleaning made it a little better, but the 'n' is just screwed.
Had an Asus before. Chicklet keyboards suck. 'nuff said.
Still have a Dell that I like. Good keyboard and it is about 5 yrs old. The wifi support was hard to get working - should have spent the $15 upgrade for a better wifi microPCI card (better linux support).
A friend picked up a new Dell XPS 13 about a month ago - WOW! That thing is sexy, but at $1600, it should be.
We had an installfest last week and saw a lot of new laptops. Avoid HP. They break the BIOS, badly. I'd say to avoid Apple HW too - there was always 5 special incantations to get those to work ... except for one MBP which we never got installed. That was with 3 Mac-lovers and linux 20+ yr experts helping.
Lenovo is known to HW lock addon cards, so you can only put in approved replacements. That means replacing a bad wifi card isn't $25 - it is $50 because only specific models are allowed to work. It is a BIOS thing, I hear.
So - the old rule of making a list of chips and verifying each has Linux support is the best advice. Buying anything less than 6 months old is asking for driver trouble.
I've bought used high end Dells a generation or two behind for the past 15 years, ever since I've had a laptop. I've had an Inspiron 8000, 8200, 9400, and for the past 4+ years a Precision M6500, which is a beast -- i7-920XM,16 GB RAM (which can be expanded to 32 GB), 2x2.5" bays, optical bay, mSATA, 17" WUXGA screen w/Radeon HD7820, a pair of USB3 ports, and an eSATA port. The only things I've had to replace have been the keyboard twice (due to my sloppiness around it; it's no more fragile than any other), the battery, and some memory that developed errors (not likely due to the laptop). I've run various versions of openSUSE on it with no problems of any kind, and no blobs either. The tech's a bit dated -- first generation i7, SATA2 (3 Gb/sec), only 2 USB3 ports -- but with the mSATA it's plenty fast for the photo processing I do on it. If you need something more up to date, you can pay a bit more for a used M6600 or M6700, although you'll give up the WUXGA. No mechanical problems with the lids and that that I had with the 8000 and 8200 (the 9400 was disappointing, having a 64 bit processor but basically set up as a 32 bit system that couldn't exceed 3 GB of usable RAM).
There's no comparison between the low end and the high end Dell laptops. The high end ones are built solidly, easy to repair and upgrade, and just plain feel solid. Of course, this puppy isn't light, and the power brick itself is substantial. Battery life isn't great either. But if you want a solid system that will run Linux well and won't give you any trouble, this is worth considering. If you want a smaller system, the Precision M4x00 is a 15" screen but otherwise basically the same, I believe (it may not have the second drive bay).
Back in the day I always used to go with AMD because it offered more bang-for-buck than Intel. After switching to using Intel chipsets - with their open source graphics drivers - I found using Linux with them so trouble free I never went back. My current machine is a 3 year old Sony VAIO laptop with an Intel HM65 Express chipset. Runs better on Debian 8 than it does using Windows 10...
Your 'mentor' is a fucking tool.
Well, by definition it isn't linux, since it runs a different kernel.
Besides, the main attraction to a linux distro is that it is configurable. Want it to act like Windows? Fine. Want it to act like a Mac? That's fine too. It's all configurable; unlike OSX, which is basically not configurable at all. (Try setting up a Mac with focus-follows-mouse and see what I mean).
As to the original question: Lenovo. Every one I've tried works fine. The *only* thing to watch out for (and this is true of any brand laptop) is the touchpads that have no physical buttons (a la recent macbooks). With Windows theyre' barely usable; with Linux you may as well give up and just buy a mouse. While it's nice to know that I can fix the driver for it to work right given a week or two.... I don't have the time.
One of the few non-mac laptops with simular resellability are the ThinkPads. A refurbished one will come way less than half the original price and still have all the quality. Get a high-end refurbished thinkpad, max ou the memory, replace the hdd with an ssd and you've got yourself a high-end linux laptop for a bargain-deal. I use a pimped out refurbished TP W510 as my main linux machine - it's the best I ever had.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
i recommend contacting http://thinkpenguin.com/ for several reasons. firstly, yes they install GNU/Linux by default (so they've done all the hard work, and the research, in advance. is that worth paying for? yes!) secondly, they actually go to the trouble of replacing the BIOS with Coreboot. is _that_ worth it, and worth paying for? yes!
and thirdly, they make sure that the hardware that they've selected is FSF-Hardware-Endorseable, which needs some explanation as to why this is important - and it's not *actually* to do with some sort of stupid or idealistic or neo-fascist or brain-washed or self-righteous or [insert suitable continuation of series of derogatory sentences towards the FSF, Dr Stallman in general and their goals, here, which may be in your mind as to why you feel that you should completely ignore anything and everything associated with the FSF, which we're about to show you are completely moot] reason.
no, the clear benefit from buying FSF-Endorsed hardware such as printers, WIFI and 3G dongles etc. is that they JUST WORK. peripherals these days usually have built-in firmware. because the firmware is pre-loaded in FSF-Endorseable products onto NAND Flash or EEPROM, they're pretty much guaranteed to be more expensive than the devices that require the proprietary firmware to be uploaded to the device, from the main OS, before the device can actually function.... BUT...
what that means in practice is that if you don't *have* that proprietary firmware, or if it happens not to be compatible with the OS, or if you lose it, or if the file system becomes corrupted, or if you perform an upgrade of the OS, and many many other reasons all of which amount to a great deal of hassle, you cannot use that device, period.
the most ridiculous instance of this is that ethernet is becoming less common, CD/DVD drives are becoming less common, creating USB-sticks to boot-install systems has always been a pain, EFI-boot (only) is becoming more common.... how the hell is anyone supposed to install an OS when the only network access is WIFI, and the WIFI requires bloody proprietary firmware that has a license that prevents and prohibits that firmware from being installed on the bloody installation media?? how stupidly ridiculous a situation can you possibly get into! and don't get me started about usb-ethernet devices, which, due to them being USB, are often *excluded* from selection as a "main internet connection" during the install process, because, by nature of them being removable, the OS can't guarantee that the device will be there on the next boot.
avoiding all this hassle is what you pay for when you buy pre-vetted products from http://thinkpenguin.com/ and other companies that are listed on the FSF's page http://www.fsf.org/resources/h... . you can also go to http://h-node.org/ and take a look there to see if what you want is listed.
so when you buy a product from http://thinkpenguin.com/ you know that it's "just going to work". if you genuinely want to replace the OS, you can... and it will be a very straightforward job, unlike, i can guarantee, absolutely every other recommendation at the time of writing of this comment with a category "5" score here on slashdot.
ironically, and not surprisingly, thinkpenguin get less support calls (hardware "just works"). their customers are happier.... and so are more loyal. is that worth paying a bit extra for? yeah i'd say so.