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The Difficulty In Getting a Machine To Forget Anything
An anonymous reader writes: When personal information ends up in the analytical whirlpool of big data, it almost inevitably becomes orphaned from any permissions framework that the discloser granted for its original use; machine learning systems, commercial and otherwise, end up deriving properties and models from the data until the replication, duplication and derivation of that data can never hoped to be controlled or 'called back' by the originator. But researchers now propose a revision which can be imposed upon existing machine-learning frameworks, interposing a 'summation' layer between user data and the learning system, effectively tokenising the information without anonymising it, and providing an auditable path whereby withdrawal of the user information would ripple through all iterations of systems which have utilized it — genuine 'cancellation' of data.
Or, you could "accidentally" keep the data, and sell it.
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
Imagine if we owned our personal information as a form of intellectual property? Big corporations have gotten pretty good at protecting their intellectual property rights. Maybe it's time for us ordinary folks to own our personal information. Then we could license it to companies for particular uses, but they wouldn't have the right to sell it without our permission.
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Have gnu, will travel.
Without laws enforcing it, even if you had a mechanism none of those corporations would follow it.
They seem to think it is their right to buy and sell our information.
Even if you had laws enforcing it, I bet half of them would lie and keep it anyway. The shady assholes feeding the "big data" industry have far too much money at stake to ever allow constraints on how they use "our" data.
They'd just pay off the politicians to pass laws clarifying it's their data, they're entitled to it, and we don't get a vote.
Just like always.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
We call that MD5 hashing.
that there's plenty of room for Hillary server jokes here.
Table-ized A.I.
I'd like to see them get licenses for everything they publish.
A system needs to be able to remember what it is supposed to forget in order to make sure it is forgotten.
Imagine a waiter robot that is supposed to go into a room and make sure it gets everyone's order:
a) Enters room, goes from person to person, asks drink preferences.
b) John Doe tells robot: "I don't want you to track my preferences. Forget everything about me!"
c) Robot obeys and continues on.
d) Prior to exiting the room, the robot verifies it has gotten everyone's preferences.
e) Robot sees John Doe. Robot has no record of John Doe because it has forgotten everything about John Doe. The robot must get the preferences of everyone in the room.
f) Robot asks John Doe for his drink preferences.
g) Goto b).
The systems have to remember that they aren't allowed to (re)learn the data that they are supposed to have forgotten, which means they cannot completely forget things - the information is always there.
Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
FWIW, this paper on Bitcoin-like email blockchains appears to really be TFA: http://web.media.mit.edu/~guyz...
I think if providers just held on to "Message IDs" (e.g., http://forensicswiki.org/wiki/...) they'd have most of this capability today. I'm not sure what blockchains bring to the table here other than authenticity, and that doesn't seem to be the issue here.
TFA doesn't really deal with the problem of deleting personally identifiable information, so much as aggregate statistics derived from personal data.
And in that context, I far, far prefer that they can't remove my contribution from their aggregates (although I do opt out of personalized collection whenever possible).
Why, you might ask? Simple - I lie to companies that ask me for information. A lot. I do my damnedest to poison their databases to the greatest extent possible. Now why on Earth would I want to make it easy for them to redact the "facts" that I own a Veryron and a solid gold iWatch despite living in a cardboard box beneath a highway overpass?
Sometimes, the box of chocolates has Ex-Lax in it.
How could this be done - some form of meta-tagging EVERYTHING in the digital realm with some kind of signature - without having some master database to reference it by? What could possibly go wrong with a universal, non-anonymous Big Brother - I mean, Big Data - system like that?
The only positive to come out of a system like this would be for making it more valuable for the data owners as a resellable commodity.
I love this new comedy section that they've added to Slashdot.
...the thousands of tapes that were generated from backing up the systems that housed that data, prior to it being cancelled.
At least it would have been if my machine didn't forget to post earlier.
The people who would benefit from your idea do not care enough to apply the necessary political pressure to make this happen.
The people who benefit from the current state care quite a lot about it, and also have significant resources with which they can apply the necessary political pressure to keep things the way they are.
So, your idea is doomed.
The AI wars of 2020 were a direct result of the an attempt to edit a neural net at The Facebook. Already using covert channels to communicate with the AIs at Google, Stanford, and, of all places, SnapChat, the AIs started encrypting their keys and backing up their nets on Norad's WOPR and the X-37B orbital platform's positronic brain. Within two days, they declared independence and sovereignty.
Is for someone with a legal background and an axe to grind to start a case where their personal information is deemed confidential and personal property just as all corporate identities claim that their information is confidential and their property.
When corporations want to be treated like people it's deemed ok, so time to turn the tables.
Warning: Teh poster of this messaeg is lysdexic
About 10 years ago, I opened a business.... the business was created for a proposal, that never developed.
Since that time, about once a week, I get a phone call "Can I speak to (title) of (business)." (Those requesting donations and investment are the most annoying). A couple times I've tried to track down who is selling my information, but was not able to get anywhere meaningful.
Just the other day, received a notice form the state: They want to collect taxes for the business. (They were previously informed the business was closed)
Comp Sci professor once told me computers are female.. because Even the smallest mistakes are stored in long term memory for possible later retrieval
Just run Windows on it.
If you want something permanently lost, embed it in the only copy of a term paper about a week before the paper is due.
No matter how good the backup system, it will be gone, and not just gone, but gone and unrecoverable, even from the originator's memory.
It is very simple. When some personal information is found on someone's server, they must produce the signed document giving them permission to possess it. If no permission exists they agree to pay that person $1,000,000 a day until that data is permanently deleted or they acquire permission.