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Inside Amazon's Cloud Computing Infrastructure

1sockchuck writes: As Sunday's outage demonstrates, the Amazon Web Services cloud is critical to many of its more than 1 million customers. Data Center Frontier looks at Amazon's cloud infrastructure, and how it builds its data centers. The company's global network includes at least 30 data centers, each typically housing 50,000 to 80,000 servers. "We really like to keep the size to less than 100,000 servers per data center," said Amazon CTO Werner Vogels. Like Google and Facebook, Amazon also builds its own custom server, storage and networking hardware, working with Intel to produce processors that can run at higher clockrates than off-the-shelf gear.

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  1. What Does This Mean by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Interesting

    working with Intel to produce processors that can run at higher clockrates than off-the-shelf gear.

    What does this mean? They have custom chips? Custom mods at the chip fab level? Or are they taking advantage of designed-in features that are locked out for normal chip users? Are they simply over-clocking? Or are there features that can be unlocked with money?

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    1. Re:What Does This Mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much every feature in technology is unlocked with money. At least any technology produced in the last few millennia.

    2. Re:What Does This Mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They must get chips that have been tested for overclocking.

    3. Re:What Does This Mean by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Probably means they buy in bulk, so they get to pick the more overclock-able chips.

      Say, Core i7 xxxx runs at 3.0ghz and i7 yyyy chip runs at 3.4ghz. They make a batch of i7s and test them at 3.4ghz. Some barely pass QC and are sold as retail i7 yyyy. Some fail at 3.4ghz so they're marked as i7 xxxx 3.0ghz. Some pass at 3.4ghz with flying colors, these are the ones overclockers want the most. Retail buyers like us don't get to pick which ones we get when we buy the i7 yyyy, but Amazon might.

    4. Re:What Does This Mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last year at re:invent they stated "Intel was providing them custom chips", not just selected ones. Google: https://aws.amazon.com/intel/ - Xeon v3?

    5. Re:What Does This Mean by bobbied · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are building custom hardware and a lot of it so they get a bit of special treatment from Intel.

      You engineer the thermal paths and better control how you get rid of heat. You tweak the board layout for the best performance of the chipset and CPU and run closer tolerances on voltages and clock frequencies while keeping it small. Buying in bulk also lets you customize the chipset and CPU packaging to get you better performance/watt and higher density by eliminating all the "fluff" stuff you really don't want on the cloud machine. Who needs all those USB controllers, PCI-e busses, and sound cards you find in your average server chassis in a high density server farm that just take up space and suck power? Just give me a couple of NIC's, a SATA connection and a serial console and a way to reset an individual system and I have what I need to stand up an OS and grant somebody external access to it.

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    6. Re:What Does This Mean by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      You fail to address the question. We are not talking about the board or chipset. The quote was specific:

      working with Intel to produce processors that can run at higher clockrates than off-the-shelf gear.

      We are talking specifically about the CPU. Is it "custom"? Or is it just a high-end "overclocked" chip that I could buy if I had the cash?

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    7. Re:What Does This Mean by Amouth · · Score: 1

      i remember the last time i over clocked a computer. had a 300A running at 924 and stable. used two peltier pads and encased the heat sinks to pipe in water. Was a really fun build. before that i had a 233 mmx up to 405 stable,

      that was years ago, good memory's,

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    8. Re:What Does This Mean by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      sata? ok for a small DOM for the os. pci-e based storage / pci-e for fiber channel / other stuff is needed.

      The compute nodes need a os + fast network / storage links.

    9. Re:What Does This Mean by lgw · · Score: 2

      But of course these are all Xeon processors. Those normally have a lower clock rate the more cores the chip has, to limit heat density. The 10-core processors run a bit more than half the speed of the 2-core (IIC, but I could be way off). You don't need to overclock these in the way you do enthusiast parts, when they're underclocked to begin with. You do need prodigious cooling.

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    10. Re:What Does This Mean by Skapare · · Score: 1

      they could be customized for networked virtualization ... devices that are emulated in hardware and controlled over the network.

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    11. Re:What Does This Mean by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      What does this mean? They have custom chips? Custom mods at the chip fab level? Or are they taking advantage of designed-in features that are locked out for normal chip users? Are they simply over-clocking? Or are there features that can be unlocked with money?

      Basically, if you commit to buying a lot of chips, Intel will fab you modified versions of their existing product lines.

      Remember back in the early days of Intel Macs, and Apple managed to get Intel chips that supported hardware virtualization, even though only the highest end model of the line supported it? Same idea - Apple was committing to buy a ton of chips with the feature enabled and Intel made it so.

      You have to know that in modern chip fabrication, transistors are cheap, and when doing a chip line, you design the die once, and customize it as necessary. So Intel will design a die, and then through various configuration fuses, turn it into a whole pile of chips - i3s, i5s, i7s, locked and unlocked clocks, with certain features and without, etc. These form the standard Intel product line.

      But if you are willing to commit, Intel will let you choose your own configuration and make a bunch of chips for you, as long as the die supports it.

  2. When will AWS get IPv6 ability? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    I've been unable to get IPv6, and Amazon's been promising "we're working on it" for years now....

    1. Re:When will AWS get IPv6 ability? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Probably when they don't have a choice
      IPv6 costs more money to run. The packets are larger, so there is an increase in power consumption and bandwidth demand.

    2. Re:When will AWS get IPv6 ability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon have been gradually falling back to the crowd with AWS over the last 12 months and look set to fall behind even MS, wondering if perhaps the need to turn a profit is starting to bite and they are trying to work out now that they have the customers how can they actually make money off them.

    3. Re:When will AWS get IPv6 ability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As someone that participated in their beta test, while Amazon might be ready for IPv6, the apps most of their customers run are not. For example, we couldn't get Tomcat to accept IPv4 connections on Linux when IPv6 is enabled. It binds to the IPv6 port by default, but not to the IPv4 port. I don't think there's a way to get it to bind to both. We have a support contract with Kippdata, and they said they didn't think it was possible.

    4. Re: When will AWS get IPv6 ability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We bought a load balancer to workaround that problem. It worked, but it was a very expensive solution.

      With Tomcat 7 you could do this if you only need to support IPv4:

      JAVA_OPTS= $JAVA_OPTS -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true -Djava.net.preferIPv4Addresses

      But I noticed Tomcat 8 overrides that.

    5. Re: When will AWS get IPv6 ability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's great that Tomcat is aggressively supporting IPv6, but they shouldn't do that at the expense of IPv4. We had to disable IPv6 on all of our dev systems and production because Tomcat was *only* binding to the IPv6 port. There's a difference between adding support for a new technology and screwing over all of your existing users.

    6. Re: When will AWS get IPv6 ability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tomcat is trying to force us to use only IPv6. No one can get away with only supporting 6 at this time so they're making life very difficult for us.

    7. Re:When will AWS get IPv6 ability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And to make things worse, Linux makes it a pain in the neck to disable IPv6. You have to add these lines to /etc/sysctl.conf:

      net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1
      net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6 = 1
      net.ipv6.conf.lo.disable_ipv6 = 1

      Then reboot. There should just be one setting to change. Tomcat is really hurting us by binding only to the IPv6 port instead of binding to the IPv4 one too.

    8. Re: When will AWS get IPv6 ability? by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Actually, I don't think it's Tomcat that made that decision. From what I recall, the JVM itself defaulted to IPv6 on certain releases.

    9. Re:When will AWS get IPv6 ability? by DroolTwist · · Score: 0

      "The packets are larger, so there is an increase in power consumption"

      You also need Cat 6DD for the increase in packet size. The wiring has a larger diameter to meet the larger packet needs.

    10. Re:When will AWS get IPv6 ability? by Coren22 · · Score: 2

      I like your comment, it is quite funny, but to address the question:

      The packets are larger (more bits) so take longer to transmit, and more memory to store. Also, ASICs are built for IPv4, they don't work for IPv6, so much of IPv6 traffic is done in CPU rather than ASICs which is less efficient in power usage.

      I doubt the power difference is terribly high, but at an Amazon level, it would likely be noticeable.

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    11. Re:When will AWS get IPv6 ability? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Amazon doesn't exactly "not turn a profit", they dump all their profit they earn into growth and research, so that they have no taxable profit. It is an optimization technique, not really a OMG we aren't making profit type issue.

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    12. Re: When will AWS get IPv6 ability? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Is it possible to run two instances of Tomcat, one binding to each "interface"?

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    13. Re: When will AWS get IPv6 ability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was it possible for you to screwup more vs apk after you trolled him first here to your own dismay http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... ?

    14. Re:When will AWS get IPv6 ability? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it is funny how little you know of security APK, and that you feel the need to troll everything I post acting like you won, when you just don't get security in the least.

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    15. Re:When will AWS get IPv6 ability? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Enhance usually means increase, unfortunately as it is a security nightmare, destroy might be a more appropriate word to use.

      Only kings refer to themselves in the third person. Do you think you are a king?

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    16. Re: When will AWS get IPv6 ability? by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      It's possible to run as many Tomcats as you like, each and every one of which can listen on either or both protocol types and on multiple ports.

      All you need is enough RAM and CPU and network bandwidth to hold them all.

  3. dark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The cloud went dark with only the blinky status light for company.

    1. Re:dark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Although it doesn't seem to have hit the news, today was pretty blinky in Amazon VIrginia as well.

  4. I has more better questions by s.petry · · Score: 2, Informative

    “Every day, Amazon enough new server capacity to support all of Amazon’s global infrastructure when it was a $7 billion annual revenue enterprise,” said James Hamilton, Distinguished Engineer at Amazon, who described the AWS infrastructure at the Re:Invent conference last fall. “There’s a lot of scale. That volume allows us to reinvest deeply into the platform and keep innovating.”

    Did they use AWS for translation on this paragraph? How do you have "a lot of scale"? One can scale up or down, but is this like a computer hokey pokey? Scale is a verb!

    Really, I skimmed this one pretty lightly. It looks like a marketing article, not a technical article. Buzz words a plenty, so I'm guessing your question is answered by "marketing"..

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    1. Re:I has more better questions by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Funny

      Did they use AWS for translation on this paragraph? How do you have "a lot of scale"? One can scale up or down, but is this like a computer hokey pokey? Scale is a verb!

      Any verb can be nouned.

    2. Re:I has more better questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > Scale is a verb!

      No. Scale was originally both a verb and a noun.
      Scale as a verb (with respect to sizing) actually came later.

    3. Re:I has more better questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On a scale of 1 to 10, 4.

    4. Re:I has more better questions by greenreaper · · Score: 2

      I learnt that just yesterday! It's called nominalization.

    5. Re:I has more better questions by lgw · · Score: 5, Funny

      Scale is a verb!

      As I weigh this fish scale on my scale, before cleaning the scale off my kettle, while listening to my neighbor play scales, I wonder about the scale of your intoxication: on a scale of one to potato, how high are you right now? Oh well, I'm off to work: I was hoping for better, but it pays scale.

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    6. Re: I has more better questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon's stock price is valued way too high from our crooks on Wall Street.

    7. Re:I has more better questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scale is a verb!

      Yes. It is also a noun. You should know better. You usually do.

    8. Re:I has more better questions by s.petry · · Score: 0

      I agree with the change based on context, I should have been more specific. In the paragraph I quoted, "scale" is being used as a nouerb, or perhaps a veroun? I also realize I was being quite pedantic. Read that article and try to guess what langue it was translated from, because it was not originally English. I quoted the worst, but not the only translation error.

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  5. Intel will make you custom chips by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    They are expensive and you have to buy a lot, but they'll do custom. Oracle also buys custom Intel chips. There are limits to what they'll customize, obviously writing a whole new ISA wouldn't be possible (at least not without a shit ton of resources) but they can customize things like cache sizes and configurations.

    In terms of clock rate I image what Amazon is doing is more or less having Intel raise the TDP for the chips and run them harder. All the Xeons cap out at about the same TDP for the high end, regardless of core count, so higher core count chips are slower. However with aggressive cooling, you can have a setup that'll cool more than that TDP. So Amazon might contract to Intel to sell them higher rated chips, with the understanding of the increased cooling needs.

    1. Re:Intel will make you custom chips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or they want a slightly special version. Say the CPU supports 30 different features across the entire line. For cloud services maybe amazon only really cares about 15 of them. So they could ask Intel to disable those 15 features permanently which saves power and use that extra power saved to run them a bit faster without burning up the chip. I am sure that if you buy enough at the right price they would do it. Its just a question of price and volume.

    2. Re:Intel will make you custom chips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just asking for a precise feature set, you can get a better price by saying you don't care if that bit of die got a scratch.

  6. AWS' problem is not the infrastructure... by HerculesMO · · Score: 1, Informative

    It's the fact that they only focus on infrastructure. IaaS is their bread and butter and it's what keeps them running and going with companies that don't know anything better than servers and storage, to migrate their workloads (the peaks and valleys kind) into the cloud to save money and be agile.

    The next generation is a step beyond that, and it's what Microsoft, SalesForce and Google are building for -- PaaS. The idea that you manage fleets of servers is an archaic one, and the next generation will be writing against an API that manages all of that for you. Azure's Service Fabric, Google's AppEngine, SalesForce's Heroku -- those are the future of cloud computing. It's also a future that AWS doesn't have represented at all.

    I am a fan of AWS technologies in their current state and the problem they solve for. But it's a problem that takes EXISTING methodologies and infrastructure and merely replaces them. It does not help prepare for the next generation of developers who grow up with the idea that this is all a commodity and they just want their code to work and execute, and have a smart engine behind it figure out all the needs for their app (be it data, network, power, cooling, memory, etc).

    In that sense, Microsoft is far, far ahead of the others and as developers start to change their tune in their practices, we'll see that uptick for Azure happen. In the meanwhile, AWS is a decent place to put your existing servers and storage type of needs.

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    1. Re:AWS' problem is not the infrastructure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sir are undoubtedly in marketing. Only marketing bots tell us about the "future" so confidently. Mooooooo!

    2. Re:AWS' problem is not the infrastructure... by turbidostato · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "It's the fact that they only focus on infrastructure"

      You are not looking carefully enough.

      "In that sense, Microsoft is far, far ahead of the others"

      You know what happens with the ones too far, far ahead of others? In the future, people rise statues honoring them, but they usually die poor and/or too young.

      It's quite funny you talk about Microsoft since, back in the day, it was Novell the one far, far ahead of Microsoft on PC-based client/server deployments. And know what? Microsoft not only didn't give a damn but they mocked Novell as too complex. And they were right: most people wasn't ready for Novell forests and inherited/nested permissions and Windows for Workgroups was everything they could cope with. Then they grew up to "classic" domains, still tad simpler than Novell while still being "good enough" for their customer base (in fact, being not only "good enough" but "top notch" since for most of them it was all they knew as in practical terms it was Microsoft itself the one "educating" them).

      Eventually, Novell died and, who could think about it!? the very next day Microsoft came up with their new and shinny Active Domains that were basically what Novell had been doing since ten years before: now, somehow, that wasn't "too complex" anymore but the only true way.

      I'd say Amazon is exactly on the same track today: on one hand, most people, as you say, is not ready yet for higher abstraction levels like PaaS, IaaS is good enough and strongly growing. On the other hand, PaaS market is far from mature enough: writing code against any public API today is guaranteed to have it rewritten even before the provider gets to declare it non-beta.

      And there's even more: it's said that in the gold rush, the only ones consistently making money where the shovel shops, not the miners: nowadays, the "hardware store" is Amazon and it is the people building on top of AWS the ones taking the real risks of doing business. And Amazon is not just seeing the time going by: few years back they offered pretty simple virtual machines; now they offer quite a complex landscape with databases, routing, DNS, load balancing, tiered persistent storage... They are the Microsoft of today mocking on the ones too far, far ahead while, at the same time, cultivating their own customer base to make them ready for their future products and services.

    3. Re:AWS' problem is not the infrastructure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He is completely wrong. AWS is far far ahead of Microsoft with PaaS, its not even comparable because AWS is so far ahead. Anyone who has used both knows this. He read a page or two on EC2 on AWS and thinks that is the only thing they have, its about 5% of what they offer.

      He is obviously an MS paid shill hoping no one calls him out. Azure works fine, at least from what I hear it does now, but back when I was using it they were having serious problems. Went to Rackspace, similar to Azure (his comments would be appropriate applied to Rackspace). Then went to AWS. There is so much to AWS it baffles the mind. There is probably no one person that knows most of what they have especially with their cloud formation and elastic beanstalk stuff (those PaaS things he said they don't have).

    4. Re:AWS' problem is not the infrastructure... by HerculesMO · · Score: 0

      Whilst I don't put a lot of stock into the Gartner MQ... AWS doesn't even rank on the PaaS scale at all. The folks I spoke of though, MS, Google, Salesforce -- all have a strong presence.

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    5. Re:AWS' problem is not the infrastructure... by HerculesMO · · Score: 1

      I think that AWS' IaaS picture is more complete than Microsoft's, no doubt... as for deprecating APIs well, I'll have to put my tin foil hat on that because since .NET 1.0 they have managed somehow, to maintain most of their APIs with little deprecation. I don't imagine it would bode well for their business if they deprecated it for Azure, but you're free to believe that. On the point of PaaS being far from mature enough, I'd likely agree; except if you look at modern startups, most of those are written in microservice type architecture, that doesn't work on AWS at all. It works however, on Heroku and that's where SalesForce is making a killing (overpriced as it may be).

      As for the Novell analogy well... I think you've got a little baggage with regards to MS that I'll try to let you deal with on your own. I don't care much for the organization who makes the software, I care about the right tool for the job. And currently, for most of what I do I use and am happy to use AWS. I'll continue using them. However for new development efforts where we look to write in a microservice architecture, then AWS is simply not an option and I'm looking at Apache Mesos, Heroku, Service Fabric and AppEngine. Now you may disagree with that and that's all well and good, but from the tone of your post I'll gather you're the "I hate MS at all costs" type of person that is rather common around Slashdot, in the 15+ years I've been here. Hey, that's cool. I've been in some extremes in my career and as I've evolved I've looked to see it for what it is, a hammer and a nail type of situation. Which hammer do I need? Depends on the nail and what I'm driving it into.

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    6. Re:AWS' problem is not the infrastructure... by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "However for new development efforts where we look to write in a microservice architecture, then AWS is simply not an option and I'm looking at Apache Mesos, Heroku, Service Fabric and AppEngine. Now you may disagree with"

      Not at all. Either I didn't explain myself good enough or you misunderstood. All these are well and good, but I bet you'll either fail in your next application (and therefore it doesn't matter) or you'll have to rewrite it in the not so distant future because one of your Mesos, Heroku, Fabric won't be there then or will be substituted by the new shinny thing, maybe provided by Amazon itself, or a provider on top of Amazon. And it will be a problem because if IaaS compatibility is far from settled, developing for a PaaS implies an order of magnitude stronger provider locking-in.

    7. Re:AWS' problem is not the infrastructure... by HerculesMO · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It's a matter of risk vs reward. Yes, I might be locked into a platform but at the level I develop, MS and other enterprise cloud vendors can't just arbitrarily raise the price. There are enterprise agreements that have liabilities, timelines, penalties and a lot more in order to ensure that there aren't runaway costs. I know, because I've negotiated them with both AWS and Microsoft. Funny thing is, AWS does not agree to terms for large organizations that are any different for a startup, and that's great for small startups as well as AWS to keep their legal costs down (and those get expensive), but for large enterprises with a lot to risk it's not appealing to do business with them on that front because of the fear of arbitrary price raises for any platform type services they provide.

      They are getting better since Azure is growing at a faster rate than AWS and they are keenly aware of competition, but I don't think that AWS will provide the flexibility an enterprise needs in terms of the legal and compliance aspect. Thus far since they are relegated to IaaS for the most part, it's a non-issue because competition exists to combat them on price, but as PaaS comes along as well as lock-in... it is much less appetizing.

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    8. Re:AWS' problem is not the infrastructure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whilst I don't put a lot of stock into the Gartner MQ

      I don't believe your evidence...

      AWS doesn't even rank on the PaaS scale at all.

      But here is my opinion with no evidence at all...

    9. Re:AWS' problem is not the infrastructure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's not appealing to do business with them on that front because of the fear of arbitrary price raises for any platform type services they provide

      When has Amazon ever raised their prices? Where does this fear come from? Microsoft FUD?
       
       

      They are getting better since Azure is growing at a faster rate than AWS

      reference? Microsoft counts outlook365 subscriptions as growth so that Azure doesn't look absolutely pathetic. Other than outlook365, AWS destroys them on everything.

      Thus far since they are relegated to IaaS for the most part

      This is just flat out wrong.

    10. Re:AWS' problem is not the infrastructure... by bloodhawk · · Score: 0

      Is that a joke? Are you an Amazon shill? or do you just not understand the difference between IaaS and PaaS? Amazon dominate in IaaS, but Amazon are non existent in the PaaS space and falling further and further behind every day. Most analysts don't even mention them when talking about PaaS

    11. Re:AWS' problem is not the infrastructure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you seem remarkedly uneducated for someone that supposedly knows a lot about AWS and Azure, hell you can't even get the name of Office 365 right. O365 is not just outlook or mail. It is their PaaS offering, it is massively outgrowing AWS at the moment as it allows enterprises to host anything from websites, sharepoint sites, social networking, exchange etc etc without needing to worry about infrastructure. basically it is a step beyond what places like AWS offer which is why it is growing so fast.

    12. Re:AWS' problem is not the infrastructure... by MrKaos · · Score: 1
      The thing I see with the API sales landscape today is that it is being sold as a 'business solution' that only a developer can understand.

      The nightmare comes when you try to figure out which of your api vendors have brought your application down and you are left carrying the can because a problem with the billing system left you with only 100,000 API calls instead of the 1000,000 you expected. Still, it could be fun having the accounts dept on call to respond to outages.

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  7. Looks like the cloud has been very good for Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd say that the cloud has been very good for Intel. Wouldn't you?

  8. How about an editor at Data Center Frontier? by GerryGilmore · · Score: 1

    Not to be too pedantic, but Crikey! That was very close to the worst edited article I've ever read - even on the web, which is saying a hell of a lot! C'mon, guys, you're supposed to be some kind of publication, for Christ's sake!

  9. How can Microsoft compete with AWS? by Your+Average+Joe · · Score: 0

    This looks impossible. How can the MS cloud division pay the OS division for the scale of computers used by Amazon? 80,000 servers x 30 = 2.4 million with data center licensing that would be about $10 billion! LOL That assumes they are 2 socket, if they are 4 socket servers Amazon/MS would have to pay $20 billion!

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  10. What AWS outage demonstrates .. by nickweller · · Score: 2

    "As Sunday's outage demonstrates, the Amazon Web Services cloud is critical to many of its more than 1 million customers"

    I thought the outage demonstrated the relative unreliability of Amazon cloud Services. What are the legally binding terms of services that AWS provide in relation to uptime.

    1. Re:What AWS outage demonstrates .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I thought the outage demonstrated the relative unreliability of Amazon cloud Services.

      Incorrect. What was demonstrated was the inability of AWS customers to design fault tolerant systems. Any system that cannot tolerate any downtime should be multi-region.

    2. Re:What AWS outage demonstrates .. by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, it's their second major outage in the ~10 years of AWS. Far better than any in-house IT department I've ever seen.

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    3. Re:What AWS outage demonstrates .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "What are the legally binding terms of services that AWS provide in relation to uptime."

      https://aws.amazon.com/s3/sla/

    4. Re:What AWS outage demonstrates .. by swb · · Score: 1

      I tend to think that it's not a question of their unreliability but the inherent complexity of providing high availability and scale that works 100% of the time.

      As a consultant, I love AWS/Azure/O365 outages. They bring most customers back to reality with regard to the infalliability of "the cloud" and to the exponential increase in complexity required when chasing the "never goes down" dream.

      If those guys, with unlimited money and unlimited talent, can't make their systems not have outages, then some random cheap company who has read a vendor HA product marketing sheet and thinks it will buy them uptime forever should know there are no guarantees.

    5. Re:What AWS outage demonstrates .. by acoustix · · Score: 1

      False. They have had multiple outages in the last 5 years:

      On April 20, 2011, some parts of Amazon Web Services suffered a major outage.

      On June 29, 2012, several websites that rely on Amazon Web Services were taken offline

      On October 22, 2012, a major outage occurred

      On December 24, 2012, AWS suffered another outage

      On September 20, 2015, AWS suffered another outage

      Some of these were limited to one day, some were multiple days.

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    6. Re:What AWS outage demonstrates .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me it's made me reaslise that my old attitude of "Amazon won't have those sorts of problems" was incorrect. Similarly, if Amazon can screw it up, then so can just about anybody else.

    7. Re:What AWS outage demonstrates .. by remus.cursaru · · Score: 1

      From that I get that you didn't saw that many in-house IT departments. On my previous job I've ran for 7 years (including one server room relocation to the other side of the city) with only one 30-minutes downtime period. Yes, I intend to keep my bragging right for this streak.

  11. Whatg does this mean? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

    “Every day, Amazon enough new server capacity ..."? Editors at datacenterfrontier.com please!!!

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  12. Aww you didn't build out a Multi AZ solution? by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    You didn't build out a Multi AZ solution for your critical app? You relied on AWS services for critical load balancing and fail-over? You shoved everything into US-EAST-1 where it can sometimes take 5 minutes for a reboot? You're doing it wrong.

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