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The US and China Agree Not To Conduct Economic Espionage In Cyberspace
blottsie writes: The leaders of China and the United States agreed on Friday to take new steps to address cyberspying, vowing that neither country would conduct or knowingly support the theft of intellectual property. Senior law-enforcement and intelligence officials from both nations will evaluate how the two major powers respond to each other's requests for assistance fighting "malicious cyber activity," the White House said in a statement. The group will hold its first meeting before the end of the year, with subsequent meetings occurring twice per year.
So, we're going to trust China not to hack?! Great plan Obama!
I see your bits.
Translation: China has pretty much stolen everything it wants.
Phew! Crisis averted. I'll switch off my firewall.
The US promises to just put the head in.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Problem solved! Open the firewalls!
I almost peed myself laughing... Were they able to keep their faces straight when they were "agreeing"?
It's certain that both sides will keep their word.
The US and China Agree Not To Conduct Economic Espionage In Cyberspace
And what's more, they both agreed that they never had done anything like that before, not ever in history!
Isn't that swell?
that you keep talking about? Can ideas be kept as property?
"How much is enough?"
"It's _NEVER_ enough."
If you think either side (that's both USA and China) are going to stop any time soon, you're deluding yourself.
Yea, right.... (roll eyes)... will be business as usual.......
You're messin' with my Zen Thing, man.....
The US and China Agree Not To Conduct blatant Economic Espionage In Cyberspace...
And will be sure to use more plausible stories (or at least ones that are not under copyright) when they get caught.
Everybody in the USA knows China has been grabbing everything it can by digital espionage for a long time now.
And ha ha, guess what -- thanks to Snowden, everybody in China, not to mention the world, knows that the USA indiscriminately grabs whatever it can from foreign sources.
Only a fool would believe that either side has any intentions of stopping.
Meaningless scribbles on scraps of paper are useless for national defense.. Just ask hitler and stalin. As long as china does the bulk of our technology manufacturing, this will never fly. Even if china wanted to, it could never enforce such policy, and neither country will roll back its surveillance programs on the other.
Instead of spying in cyber space, they will return to using outer space to get the same result.
Bwahahahaha!
Can we please stop using the prefix "cyber"? It's not 2008 anymore.
They plan to conduct their economic espionage through bribery and proxies directed by their secret agents like civilized people.
Less chance of embarassing leaks that point out the blatant misappropriation of taxpayer funds i.e. theft on criminal activity to support the rich and connected that way.
neither country would conduct or knowingly support the theft of intellectual property.
So both countries have developed networks of patsies and the necessary levels of plausible deniability.
No-one actually thinks they will stop, do they?
politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
We were busy hacking them and they were busy hacking us.
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
*wink* *wink*, *nudge* *nudge*, say no more!
I've been working for years to figure out how those sly yellow devils get the fortunes in the cookies. Oh well - their IP is safe. ...
For now!
niether side can be trused to honour the treaty, Mind you the Merkins probally wont even ratify it.
For what it's worth, http://longtail.it.marist.edu/... shows a significant drop off of attacks from China yesterday (Thursday) and today (Friday). FYI: Longtail is an ssh brute force analysis program with 11 ssh honeypots live today. I've been getting almost 300,000 attempts per day, but only got about 75,000 yesterday, and 88,000 (so far) today.
LongTail SSH Brute Force analysis tool is here!
Go, Republicans! Go!
Call me when a REAL, ENFORCEABLE policy is in place.
This is just a public patty-cake party. Nobody who's out of the public eye will follow this for a second.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
This is just to pretend that China isn't going to steal our corporate data, and government data, and that the NSA and CIA won't do the same.
But both will.
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Does this mean the US have also agreed to stop economic espionage in Europe?
The US could go to the World Trade Organization and ask them to allow the United States to place tariffs on goods made in China.
They have to find something to pretend to agree on, and it isn't going to be the Spratly Islands, human rights, or reserve currency standards. Might as well play patty-cake over something with secret details.
The whole point of intellectual property (whether it be patents, trademarks or copyrights) is to make the subject matter available to the public where it can be seen. Agreeing not to conduct the theft of IP is like agreeing not to pee on the plains of Mars. Meaningless.
What I don't see here is anything about military espionage. Someone has been lifting the personal identities of government employees, which could be used to extort them into revealing secrets. Where's the hotline for that?
This is just another meaningless dog and pony show from our vanity-trumps-everything-in-chief.
What they mean is, the US and China agree to be better and sneakier about their espionage. Only a fool would believe they'll eliminate it.
Zow! I usually don't pay attention to abuse from AC, but this one is great! It's culinary! It has both a commies and nazis! Also, poop. So acerbic!
So will they please send me back all the info they took from OPM?
We won't spy on your country.....
the check is in the mail......
we won't cum in your mouth
Peace in our time. Sponsored by Huawei. Hey, I didn't type that last part. WTF?
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
"well... officially we won't be and we'll deny any accusation pointed our way."
The way to secure your shit is to write proper code, reduce the bloat, and so on. The idea you can just 'agree not to target each other' and everything will be fine is a joke. There are some 200ish countries and trying to get everybody to agree when most if not all countries can't enforce the rules upon its own citizens is a stupid battle to even try and fight. The better approach is to *fix your shit*. Implement sane open standards, restrict bloat, audit code, implement systems of authentication. Lock down systems and centralize development for the most critical component (ie code is public, but the developers environments shouldn't be compressible, for instance an adversary shouldn't be able to break into an office an install a keylogger to obtain GPG keys). Multiple parties should be reviewing *any* and *all* changes. This is particularly important for core pieces like drivers, firmware, and similar components.
The core components should fit on an a 1.44MB floppy. However your not going to get that when you have a hundred thousand devices to support and thousands of different bloated packages of which many do the same thing and are literally just camouflage for the same underlying libraries.
I know right. Hell, I'd have modded it back up, but they don't have a mod that even fits that. 'Underrated' would be an insult to honor.
All I can do is save it. I think I'll put it in my work email signature rotation.
It looks like the USA is taking its defense plans from the pre-WWII French.
1st it was the Joke Strike Fighter and now its a gentleman's agreement to stop doing what everyone knows is going on all the time.
Can they build another wall?
So I assume this means that as part of the treaty, the US government disclosed to China the honeypots it knows about. China is in the process of disclosing it to their pet script kiddies, but only 75% of the script kiddies have so far stopped hitting those known honeypots.
and however you say kek in Mandarin
Hooray!
This agreement is basically the signal that China has completed hoovering up all the USA's IP. They already have all the manufacturing. This should have been stopped in 1992, but the Manchurian Candidate....
Wow. You might as well ask them to dismantle the entire NSA and all that spying machinery they've built up. China will have to continue to defend their IT infrastructure and economic interests, because the U.S sure as hell will not stop spying and breaking into foreign systems. You can't trust the U.S gov, period.
Of course, the Chinese are sincere and can be trusted on their word. However, we're yet to see a similar drop in the attacks from the U.S gov on IT industry and governments around the world, and I doubt we ever will.