The US and China Agree Not To Conduct Economic Espionage In Cyberspace

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The US and China Agree Not To Conduct Economic Espionage In Cyberspace

Posted by samzenpus on Friday September 25, 2015 @07:25AM from the play-nice dept.

blottsie writes: The leaders of China and the United States agreed on Friday to take new steps to address cyberspying, vowing that neither country would conduct or knowingly support the theft of intellectual property. Senior law-enforcement and intelligence officials from both nations will evaluate how the two major powers respond to each other's requests for assistance fighting "malicious cyber activity," the White House said in a statement. The group will hold its first meeting before the end of the year, with subsequent meetings occurring twice per year.

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what a pushover by Anonymous Coward · 2015-09-25 07:28 · Score: 2, Insightful

So, we're going to trust China not to hack?! Great plan Obama!
1. Re:what a pushover by imidan · 2015-09-25 07:37 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  No. And your trite oversimplification is utterly worthless. We make the agreement so that when China *does* break it, we have a protocol in place for responding. We contact the Chinese government, we point at the malicious behavior, and we expect them to correct it. If they do not, then we have put in a good-faith effort, and we can enact our own consequences.
  It's a first step. It's not the entire solution. But we have to start somewhere.
2. Re:what a pushover by Anonymous Coward · 2015-09-25 07:46 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  My money is on that US broke the agreement before China did.
  Yes, I assume that it happened before this news hit Slashdot.
3. Re:what a pushover by amiga3D · 2015-09-25 07:59 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  In all reality I'd bet neither side intends to abide by it. It's yet another treaty not worth the paper it's written on.
4. Re:what a pushover by NotDrWho · 2015-09-25 08:15 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  So, we're going to trust China not to hack?!
  Every bit as much as they're going to trust the U.S. not to hack them.
  
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  SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
5. Re:what a pushover by allcoolnameswheretak · 2015-09-25 08:18 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Obama is not sending jobs to China. Corporations are.
6. Re:what a pushover by Anonymous Coward · 2015-09-25 08:28 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  Think about all of the technology that the US has and has had compared to China. Do you honestly believe that the US gov hacked Chinese businesses to try to get past them? Intellectual property theft is moving in almost completely one direction and that is from the US to China, not the other way around, so I'd be very happy to take that bet.
7. Re:what a pushover by sshir · 2015-09-25 08:53 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  My guess is that both sides will start to do it Russian style - outsource the "data acquisition" step to 3rd parties. In Russian case those are outright criminal organizations, mixing business with pleasure, so to speak.
8. Re:what a pushover by chipschap · 2015-09-25 08:56 · Score: 2
  
  Please kill yourself. Your family can blame your suicide on Obama.
  I thought we were supposed to blame everything on Bush.
9. Re:what a pushover by Anonymous Coward · 2015-09-25 09:55 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  The data that the United States is looking for, is which firms are manufacturing which items, for which client. The tech is more or less irrelevant.
  The data that PRC is looking for, is the tech that makes their manufacturing companies more efficient at doing so. What the product is, and who the customer is, is more or less irrelevant.
  What this treaty means, is that both countries will openly exchange the requested data, albeit through back channels, rather than clandestinely.
10. Re:what a pushover by imidan · 2015-09-25 11:16 · Score: 2
  
  Yes, like sending them harshly worded messages while doing nothing.
  Not the approach that I would endorse, but to each his own.
  I mean, this deal may be completely meaningless. Maybe both sides will break it over and over, and we'll eventually just throw it away. But, again, it's a first step in a conversation. Some conversations in international diplomacy have to be started more than once. Some take a long time to get anywhere. But we'll never accomplish anything at all if we never start the conversation.
11. Re:what a pushover by tsotha · 2015-09-25 11:25 · Score: 2
  
  Nah. They're going to pretend to stop and we're going to pretend not to notice they haven't.
  This is all for domestic consumption.
12. Re:what a pushover by towermac · 2015-09-25 13:04 · Score: 2
  
  See, I was thinking; if it was that easy, why didn't Obama make that call 7 years ago? Or hell; fly over there even. They do give him use of a plane. A nice one.
13. Re:what a pushover by Attila+Dimedici · 2015-09-25 22:56 · Score: 2
  
  Actually, it is not even a treaty. It is merely a verbal agreement between two heads of state. It doesn't mean anything. It is just a nice soundbite that no one actually believes.
  
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14. Re:what a pushover by wyHunter · 2015-09-28 00:12 · Score: 2
  
  On the contrary, government policy does CONTRIBUTE to this. And I'd say our policy for decades, Republican or Democrat in power, has been to offshore jobs.
Hmmmm. by minkowski76 · 2015-09-25 07:31 · Score: 5, Funny

Translation: China has pretty much stolen everything it wants.
1. Re:Hmmmm. by Chris+Mattern · 2015-09-25 07:54 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Translation: both sides will work harder at hiding it.
Great! by pr0nbot · 2015-09-25 07:31 · Score: 4, Funny

Phew! Crisis averted. I'll switch off my firewall.
HA - HA - HA!!! by sshir · 2015-09-25 07:38 · Score: 5, Insightful

I almost peed myself laughing... Were they able to keep their faces straight when they were "agreeing"?
1. Re:HA - HA - HA!!! by Moof123 · 2015-09-25 08:29 · Score: 2
  
  Worth the toilet paper it is written on.
2. Re:HA - HA - HA!!! by Aighearach · 2015-09-25 09:59 · Score: 2
  
  As President Obama put it,
  
  "The question now is, are words followed by actions? And we will be watching carefully to make an assessment as to whether progress has been made in this area."
3. Re:HA - HA - HA!!! by penguinoid · 2015-09-25 14:40 · Score: 2
  
  They agreed to say they won't conduct economic espionage against each other.
  
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  Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
Too late, China has a reputation by sideslash · 2015-09-25 07:48 · Score: 3

Everybody in the USA knows China has been grabbing everything it can by digital espionage for a long time now.

And ha ha, guess what -- thanks to Snowden, everybody in China, not to mention the world, knows that the USA indiscriminately grabs whatever it can from foreign sources.

Only a fool would believe that either side has any intentions of stopping.
1. Re:Too late, China has a reputation by Anonymous Coward · 2015-09-25 08:07 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  Everybody in the USA knows China has been grabbing everything it can by digital espionage for a long time now.
  And ha ha, guess what -- thanks to Snowden, everybody in China, not to mention the world, knows that the USA indiscriminately grabs whatever it can from foreign sources.
  Only a fool would believe that either side has any intentions of stopping.
  Sane people realize that both sides have had what some term greedy individuals or organizations that have done questionable things that cost their side or the other dearly. It's not government sanctioned and certainly predates cyber-warefare. It's other individuals/organizations with their own agendas doing it. These two highest leaders of two of the largest nation states are doing what you'd expect them to do. "Yes, we have a problem, and we both will do what we can to improve it." It's an uphill battle for sure, because these individuals/organizations will do almost anything to continue to do whatever it is they do.
Interesting drop off of attacks from China today.. by CSG_SurferDude · 2015-09-25 09:02 · Score: 4, Interesting

For what it's worth, http://longtail.it.marist.edu/... shows a significant drop off of attacks from China yesterday (Thursday) and today (Friday). FYI: Longtail is an ssh brute force analysis program with 11 ssh honeypots live today. I've been getting almost 300,000 attempts per day, but only got about 75,000 yesterday, and 88,000 (so far) today.

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Re:what a pushover imdian is a little apparatchik by imidan · 2015-09-25 10:10 · Score: 2

imdian , you appear to be an apparatchik for the Obama regime. imdian, go fuck yourself in the ass with a serrated steak knife. you are a obama loving mao loving geobbels like fucking brown shirt yellow piece of dog shit you fuck. you fucking traitor.
Zow! I usually don't pay attention to abuse from AC, but this one is great! It's culinary! It has both a commies and nazis! Also, poop. So acerbic!
Peace in our time by istartedi · 2015-09-25 11:29 · Score: 2

Peace in our time. Sponsored by Huawei. Hey, I didn't type that last part. WTF?

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