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BlackBerry Launches Android Smartphone

wiredmikey writes: In an attempt to come back from the dead, BlackBerry announced plans to sell an Android-powered smartphone. The struggling Canadian smartphone maker said it would begin selling "Priv," described as "a flagship handheld device that will run on the Android operating system with BlackBerry security," expected to be available later this year. The company isn't giving up on its own operating system, and will continue to develop and enhance its BlackBerry 10 platform, which currently represents less than one percent of smartphone users.

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  1. 6 years by danbob999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They are 6 years too late.

    1. Re:6 years by iONiUM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I disagree, I think it's a very smart idea. Regardless of whether QNX is superior or not technically, it no longer matters. They've lost because people want to use what is popular (and has apps), and Android and iOS are it.

      If they can take Android, which is open source, and create their own fork of it which is proven to be much more secure yet can still use the Android app eco-system, it could very well be a big hit when combined with good QWERTY phones.

      As such, I agree with the OP, they should have done it a long time ago, and I think it's too late now.

      DISCLAIMER: I've had a BB Z10 and Q10 since they came out, and love the keyboard, but I also have a Nexus 5 which I use almost exclusively because of all the problems I have with the BB phones.

    2. Re:6 years by mcrbids · · Score: 2

      Regardless of whether QNX is superior or not technically, it no longer matters. They've lost because people want to use what is popular (and has apps), and Android and iOS are it.

      I'm just glad that, a few years ago, when Windows/OSX ruled the roost, that the hairy hippies didn't say this about Linux. We can crow now, that Linux is installed on more devices than any other kernel or O/S, but Linux wasn't always such a sure bet.

      Diversity is good. I welcome it. I'm hoping they digest the Android ecosystem and learn to use it to strengthen QNX.

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    3. Re:6 years by acoustix · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If they can take Android, which is open source, and create their own fork of it which is proven to be much more secure yet can still use the Android app eco-system, it could very well be a big hit when combined with good QWERTY phones.

      Here's the problem: Android isn't 100% open source (at least the way I understand it). The first part is obvious: Google Play Services. This is not open source, but it is needed to run many of the apps. (this is also why I can't run some of the Android apps on my BB Z10) There are also many binaries included in the Android OS where there is no code available. Because of that BlackBerry (or any other company) cannot guarantee the security of the device running Android. So they cannot have a secure device like a BB10 device.

      BlackBerry is doing what some of their supporters want: Great hardware (which is what BB is known for) running an OS with tons of apps.

      BlackBerry will continue to develop the BB10 OS because they have many customers that demand it.

      My disclaimer: I've had my Z10 since launch and I still love it. The BB10 OS is very well designed, fast and secure. I love it.

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    4. Re:6 years by danbob999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The BB10 OS is very well designed, fast and secure.

      How do you know how secure it is?

    5. Re:6 years by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      Oh fuck off. QNX isn't even the most prevalent RTOS out there. It's an outdated OS that BB has utterly mismanaged, along with everything else.

      At this point, it is completely irrelevant what BB does. In fact, it's been completely irrelevant for half a decade now. The company was fucked five years ago, it was fucked four years ago, it was fucked three years ago, it was fucked two years ago, it was fucked last year, it's fucked this year, it will be fucked next year, and probably in the next year or two will transform itself into a patent troll.

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    6. Re: 6 years by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      Linux is already an RTOS, and properly configured has absolutely no problem supporting glitch free audio and video sans frame drops. That being said, it is soft realtime rather than hard realtime. You wouldn't want a hard realtime system for an Android device,as there is not an infinute amount of RAM and CPU, and it would be too easy to lock out functionality by overtaxing the scheduler.

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    7. Re:6 years by SeaFox · · Score: 2

      How do you know how secure it is?

      Please list known security issues with the platform.

      Boom.

      Any platform is only as secure as it's known to be, and that security opinion varies on who is making it.
        - End user knowledge of security flaws.
        - Manufacturer/Developer knowledge of security flaws.
        - Cyber-criminal knowledge of security flaws.

      If you're an end user, you don't know that Blackberry is publicly listing all known flaws. There are likely a bunch more that are not disclosed for security reasons until they can be patched. So asking someone to produce a list of flaws, and calling the absence of a list of issues proof of the platform's security is fucking bullshit.

      If you're the company responsible for the OS, you're not going to know about all security flaws that may be getting exploited. You have the ones you find in testing, ones reported by end users and White Hats, and maybe you have a mole or other "ear to the streets" with info on what's being exploited.

      If you're the hacker, how do you know all the flaws you're aware of and the perceived "level of difficulty" are true? There can be flaws that are undiscovered or only known and exploited by certain individuals or teams that would make your malicious activities much easier if you were in the know, too.

  2. BlackBerry security by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Insightful

    *Offer not valid where prohibited by law*

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  3. 1% of a huge number is still pretty large by pz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The closing sentence in the summary suggests that the BlackBerry 10 is a losing proposition because it represents less than 1% of the market.

    The mobile phone market is so enormously vast that 1% of it would still be quite large, thankyouverymuch. Nearly everyone in the US has a phone. Let's use round numbers: say we have 300,000,000 phones in the US. 1% of that would be 3,000,000 phones. Each phone has an expected replacement cycle of 3 years, so the sales should be about 1,000,000 units per year.

    Please show me a single manufacturer that would not be jumping out of their pants to move a million units a year. Heck, there probably aren't that many manufacturers that COULD deliver at that level.

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    1. Re:1% of a huge number is still pretty large by danbob999 · · Score: 4, Informative

      They don't have 1%. They have about one third of it. They have 0.37% of smartphones, or 0.27% of phones sold in 1H2015.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      If they could still keep this market share they could be fine. But they are loosing both market share and absolute sales every quarter. Mostly because they still have contracts with some slow-moving corporations, all of which are looking to switch.
      Their other problem is that it can be worth it to develop phones for only 0.3% of the market, but it's not worth it to develop and support an OS for them. Switching to Android could make sense. Only, it's too late.

  4. Re:What Happened? by Notorious+G · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It basically boils down to arrogance. I was a IT consultant and went on site to Blackberry offices in the 2008-ish time frame. They were building new office space like a dot-com era venture funded business on crack and insisted it was all going up from there.The iPhone had come out and was eating the market alive and BB execs I talked to considered it little more than a fad device for consumers that would never penetrate the business market. R&D pretty much stagnated as they decided the BB was so damn good it pretty much could not be improved. But what really did them in was apps. Ever try to write a BB app? It was frigging impossible to get it done. The API was poorly documented and often just flat out wrong. There was the public API and a API the internal BB developers used that legend has was much better. I don't know how much I really believe that but I can tell you for sure BB development sucked. Apple had it right, make app development easy and well documented. As far as I know, BB still has not learned this lesson.

  5. Re:What Happened? by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They have a vastly superior platform. Why toss that out for third-rate garbage?

    Well, it's pretty simple really:

    Android = profitable (at least for Samsung, they're making a killing)
    Blackberry/QNX = unprofitable

    It doesn't matter how "superior" your product is if you can't get anyone to buy it and you can't make enough money to keep the company going.

    It seems to me they (and you) have made the classic mistake of thinking "superiority" will cause a product line to dominate the market, when in fact it's bang-for-buck which does. It doesn't matter how great your product is; if it costs too much and there's a much-cheaper alternative that seems almost as good, people are going to flock to that. That's exactly what happened with Android. Apple/iOS was there first, but it cost a small fortune (remember how much the first iPhones cost?). Then Android phones came out, they looked much like iPhones but were a lot cheaper (and also didn't have a my-way-or-the-highway bent like Apple devices), so now Androids utterly dominate the market, even if they aren't the most profitable. Then there's BB, which mainly just catered to government and big corporations because of the secure email tie-in, and they've been passed up by cheaper and more functional (in most ways) devices that have the whole app-store advantage.

  6. Stylish hardware by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    Blackberry makes some stylish hardware, so it could be a good move.
    Move into a new market, while not leaving your old market.

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  7. Re:What Happened? by jammz · · Score: 2

    Android isn't actually profitable. At least, if you're talking about the smartphone segment, Apple takes 93% of all profits. Samsung only takes roughly 9%. Do you know why those numbers don't add up to 100%? Simple: other smartphone vendors make nothing or lose money on their devices.

    The critical and classic mistake so many Android fanboys make: they think market share matters. Business is about money and profit. Right now, virtually the entire smartphone business worldwide, belongs to Apple because they earn the overwhelming majority of the profit.

    Source: http://bgr.com/2015/02/09/appl...

  8. I like my Q10 by thogard · · Score: 2

    I bought a Q10 a few months ago after years of trying and then abandoning other smart phones. I managed to use it without signing up for any accounts for several weeks. I can run android apps on it without rooting the thing. You can port QT apps to it with ease.

    My phone uses MY servers for its data not someone one elses. That data link is fully encrypted and under my control.

    BB apps make more money for most app developers than iphone and android apps.

    The main problem with the thing is they managed to screw up the "screen lock/power" button so the thing turns off in my pocket. The thing has 39 buttons so they should drop pressing the top button to power off and require something like the top button and hold down "P" to power down and top button and "U" to unlock. I don't know how they could screw up something that has been well know for so long.