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Tank Hack Ensured Farmland Didn't Thwart the Invasion of Europe

szczys writes: Ingenuity reigns supreme when trying to overcome obstacles standing in your way. So was the case during the Allied invasion of Europe during WWII. Land features in the Normandy bocage region were especially difficult for tanks to navigate. The obstacles were earthen dikes topped with mature trees originally put in place to contain livestock. The solution was to reuse materials from the Axis' own anti-tank measures to build a tank attachment to cut through the obstacles. The Allies were able to take the Axis by surprise as it was assumed the armored divisions wouldn't be able to break through this area.

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  1. News for history nerds... by WilliamGeorge · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stuff that mattered 70 years ago, and is mildly interesting today :)

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    1. Re:News for history nerds... by WilliamGeorge · · Score: 2

      Mind you, I find military history fascinating - I'm just surprised this is on /.

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    2. Re:News for history nerds... by Nutria · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This was on the History Channel, "Band Of Brothers", etc.

      The latest generation needs their chance to learn it, just as my generation did.

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    3. Re:News for history nerds... by murdocj · · Score: 2

      It is interesting, but it's also something that anyone interested in WW II has known about for years. How on earth is this "news".

    4. Re: News for history nerds... by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 5, Informative

      You really think today's generation of limp wristed skinny panced vape smokers could hack it in such a critical battle?

      Um, who is getting shot at in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere? Dumbass.

    5. Re:News for history nerds... by murdocj · · Score: 4, Informative

      And in other breaking World War II news, there was this amazing breakthru where vacuum tubes were used to create a powerful electronic machine called "ENIAC".

    6. Re: News for history nerds... by dryeo · · Score: 2

      Still safer then living in Chicago.

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    7. Re:News for history nerds... by drnb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not sure TV, cable, or movies are places to learn our history. And sadly, History Channel has fallen apart.

      The HBO miniseries "Band of Brothers" and "The Pacific" are pretty good from a historical perspective. Very respectable adaptations of books written by a well regarded historian who did great research or written by veterans themselves. Read them all plus Winters' book. Sledge's "With The Old Breed" was probably the standout for me among the veteran's books. Very well written, of course he had been a university professor for decades by the time he authored his book.

      HBO's "The Tuskegee Airman" seemed a respectable attempt at telling that story. It may have been a little more fictionalized given its time constraints, more composite characters and coalescing of events for example, but it certainly seemed far better than the Lucas "Red Tails" mess from a historical perspective. "Red Tails" went from beyond dramatic license and into cartoonishness IMO.

    8. Re:News for history nerds... by drnb · · Score: 2

      Sure. But it's not really news, is it?

      Good thing we have the stuff that matters category too.

    9. Re:News for history nerds... by Shinobi · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hobart's Funnies were based around all kinds of tanks, primarily Churchills and Shermans, but there were also Valentines, LVT4's, Cromwells etc.

      As for the Bobbin, it was actually a device carried by the Churchill AVRE(together with the Crocodile and the ARK the most famous Funnies), and it laid the canvas road not only for itself but also the vehicles coming up behind it. Other devices the AVRE could carry was the Fascine, which was a bundle you dropped into ditches and trenches, so you could drive over them, and the mine plough, which could also do the same job as the hedgerow plough on the Shermans.

    10. Re:News for history nerds... by KGIII · · Score: 2

      Awesome! I knew that someone would know exactly what I was speaking about and would remember more of it than I do. There's, as I mentioned, an excellent documentary about him and the varieties that he created. I'd thought they were mostly built on the Shermans and a few models based on the Churchills. I had no knowledge of the others being utilized, thanks for the information.

      He designed another one that was kind of interesting. It dropped sticks into and on to stuff. I thought that one was rather creative. The flailing attachment used to quickly clear a path in a mine field was also rather effective if I understand it properly and recall it properly.

      Part of my problem (if it is properly considered a problem) is that I watch only documentaries, for the most part. These are 'entertainment' for me and my goal isn't really to remember all the names. While I learn stuff the goal isn't just to learn - it's because I find them truly entertaining and get more enjoyment from those than I do from other media genres.

      I'm not sure if that makes sense...

      I end up watching for amusement and not for serious study. As it's really passive it means that I don't learn everything at depth and I don't remember things like names unless I've had lots of references to them. I usually recall enough to make for effective search engine queries but I'm also kind of lazy at times and Google is so very far away.

      Make sense?

      If it were more formal and my goal was to actually be a historian or an expert in the field then I'd make it a point to recall the information as well as to act on learning more. What's awesome is that there are usually people like yourself who will come in and fill in the blanks for me so that I'm able to bring up a subject and someone will come along and provide information that covers the gaps in my education and memory.

      The added benefit is that the information is now something I've read and interacted with (in the form of a reply) which means I'll not only have learned something new but I'll be more likely to retain it and draw on it at a later date and time.

      In short, thanks.

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  2. Funny by Daimanta · · Score: 4, Informative

    " The Allies were able to take the Axis by surprise as it was assumed the armored divisions wouldn't be able to break through this area.: ...which is funny because the French didn't expect the tanks of the Germans to be able to pass through the Ardennes. The moment they realized what the plan was, it was too late and France had no option but to surrender, even if possessing a superior force.

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  3. What's New Is Old by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Reminds me a little of the proboscis they bolt to the front of some heavy armament today to deal with land mines and such, and in a slightly different way, the cages they build around Strikers to deal with RPGs...

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  4. Blacksmith/Welder not Engineer ... by perpenso · · Score: 2

    Sure, it's old technology, old engineering. But so is ENIAC...

    Not "engineering" in the sense that engineers at a company came up with the device. The phrase "hack" is entirely appropriate. This modification came from a Sergeant at Normandy who thought he could cut up some of the i-beam based beach obstacles and make "teeth" for the tanks. So the solution came from the blacksmith/welder types, an actual Army MOS, improvising something on the spot not the engineers designing something to meet a requirement.

    1. Re:Blacksmith/Welder not Engineer ... by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep, it's an awesome improvised hack. I'm a WW2 history aficionado, so of course I'd heard about this before.

      For all the unbelievably thorough preparations made for the allied invasion, historians and laypersons alike have always found it fascinating or puzzling that apparently no thought was given to the potential tactical disadvantages the bocage (hedgerows) would have on the allied advance, or how the allies might try to cope with it. It took a lone Sergeant in the Army tank corps to come up with a reasonable solution to the problem. I suppose nothing tends to motivate you like facing a potentially lethal situation.

      I'd rank it up there with the CO2 scrubber hack on the Apollo 13 mission.

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    2. Re:Blacksmith/Welder not Engineer ... by Princeofcups · · Score: 2

      Yep, it's an awesome improvised hack. I'm a WW2 history aficionado, so of course I'd heard about this before.

      For all the unbelievably thorough preparations made for the allied invasion, historians and laypersons alike have always found it fascinating or puzzling that apparently no thought was given to the potential tactical disadvantages the bocage (hedgerows) would have on the allied advance, or how the allies might try to cope with it.

      That's because they weren't supposed to go through the hedgerow terrain. When Montgomery failed to take Caan on the first or second day, the entire operation had to be modified, and the breakout was changed to the boccaged west instead of the east, which was excellent flat tank terrain.

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  5. Re:"Tank Hack"? Use this headline-writing hack... by Deadstick · · Score: 2

    I think "hack" is reasonable, in the sense of an improvised solution implemented in the field...

  6. There hundreds of such hacks by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The hedgerow taming attachment to the tanks are quite well known to most WW-II buffs. But there were many thousands of such local mods.

    One of the best ones I have heard about is the hacking of the Dutch telephone system by the insiders. They had special "area codes" that bypassed main trunk exchanges but allowed the resistance fighters to communicate using the regular telephone system. If Gen Montgomery knew about it or had used it, his Operation Market Garden (movie: A Bridge Too Far) might have gone differently, they last bridge group might have learned the the German General Model and his panzer divisions were being held in that area as reserve and for refitting and they were in a position to cut off the lines of communication. Need to look it up.

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  7. Re:So, I actually don't understand this. by sysrammer · · Score: 2

    "1) You have a tank with no Hedgehog add-on. It rolls up to a hedge. it is a heavy tank. Because it's heavy, it pushes forward and crushes the hedges underneath it. or not."

    "Or not" is correct. The tanks, heavy or not, could not push forward and crush the hedges.

    They needed hedge-clippers.

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  8. Re:So, I actually don't understand this. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Informative

    Picture the hedge covered with heavy growth 15 to 30 feet high. Difficult to penetrate on foot- easy to hide in and defend.
    Picture a german bazookaman behind the hedge ready to blow a hole in your soft underbelly.
    Picture the teeth cutting 12" deep into the hedge before the tank starts to lift upwards.
    Picture the heavy growth toppling onto the defenses, the top of the hedge being shaved off to become a wide dirt road.
    Much harder to defend against the infantry following the tank through the new gap.

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  9. Re:So, I actually don't understand this. by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

    Picture terrain like this. The hedges make it hard to travel through, and give cover to defending machine gunners.

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  10. Only became necessary due to failure to take Caen by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The D-Day plan included the capture of Caen on D-Day itself. If you ever visit Normandy, it is obvious that the river valley around Caen is the only good way out. The German's realized this too, and sent every possible unit there to keep the British from seizing the exit from the beaches. Battle after battle erupted in front of Caen to keep the Allies in. The Allied plan took the bocage hedgerows into account. They were protection from German counter-attack while the American Army took the port of Cherbourg and the Cotentin peninsula to serve as the staging area for incoming units to prepare for the breakout. With the main German force facing the British at Caen, the only other way to break out from the beachhead was through the bocage. This had never been part of the Allied plan, so it took some improvisation to develop tactics to break out.

  11. Every War Has Hacking by Etherwalk · · Score: 2

    Every War Has Hacking, if you want to survive. You learn from the moment you start fighting.

    In France, there were hedgerows, and you needed a way to deal with them.

    In Korea, there were lots of jeeps but limited alcohol, so you figured out how to make a still from the parts of a jeep.

    In Iraq, the army learned it needed MRAPs right away and that the military procurement system was so terrible it would never get them, so SECDEF basically overrode the whole damn procurement apparatus.

  12. Re:So, I actually don't understand this. by jklovanc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Lets look at how a hedgerow is created. In medieval Europe fields were sectioned off into small areas with hedges between them. Every year due to frost action rocks are driven to the surface by frost action. Every year farmers go through their fields and throw these rocks into the hedges. Over the decades and centuries these hedgerows become very solid. In effect they were stone walls with hedges on top and there were a lot of them on Normandy. here is a better explanation of why hedgerows were a problem.

  13. Bureaucracy then and now by myid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the article:

    When demonstrated for General Omar Bradley, he was impressed enough to order them built in quantity for the tanks. Eventually the prototype became an engineered product (dubbed the “Culin Rhino Device”) that was fitted to many tanks before being shipped over from England.

    I wonder how long it took, from the demo for Gen. Bradley, until the device was fitted on tanks sent over from England. Hopefully not too long. Imagine the tanks being made in the US today. How long would it take before they were outfitted with the "tusks"? Senator #1: "I demand that the tusks be made in my state." Senator #2: "No - make them in my state, or I'll vote against them being made at all!"

    In related news, U.S. Air Force instructs airmen on exactly how to praise the F-35. The Air Force should reject the F-35 for its many flaws, and demand their money back. Sigh. Some things really were better back in the past.

  14. Doesn't matter if war is large or small ... by drnb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Um, who is getting shot at in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere? Dumbass.

    If I remember correctly, the annual death toll in Iraq and Afghanistan is roughly the same as... one day on Omaha Beach, or about six hours on the Eastern Front.

    I grew up around a WW2 paratrooper, Normandy, Holland, Bastogne (frostbite), Germany (shot). According to him it didn't matter if the war is big or small, popular or unpopular. Bullets and shrapnel do the same thing to a soldier. Getting shot at is getting shot at, whether you are alone, one of ten, or one of a thousand. If you went into harms way for your country you deserve respect, period. That was his lesson during the Vietnam war. Can't imagine him having a different opinion for Iraq or Afghanistan. Especially since I've seen videos of troops from his unit, then 502 PIR now 502 INF, doing room clearing in an urban settings. Something he did in Europe and disliked very much.

  15. Re:So, I actually don't understand this. by KGIII · · Score: 2

    Have a picture:
    http://dereksweetoys.com/wp-co...

    I was there a few years back so I went to check them out in person. That photo is not mine but it's a good depiction. In some areas the overgrowth from the bocage is such that there's a tunnel that you'd drive/walk through and it's made out of trees. We see some areas like this up in Maine in the more rural areas on old dirt roads that have fallen into disuse. Your grandmother probably has a similar picture of the latter taken during foliage season and hanging on her wall in her living room. Modern roads are built up, generally, while old roads were eroded into form.

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