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Edward Snowden Promotes Global Treaty To Curtail Surveillance

An anonymous reader writes: In a video appearance, Edward Snowden said domestic digital spying on ordinary citizens is an international threat that will only be slowed with measures like a proposed international treaty declaring privacy a basic human right. "This is not a problem exclusive to the United States.... This is a global problem that affects all of us. What's happening here happens in France, it happens in the U.K., it happens in every country, every place, to every person," he said.

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  1. Who's going to police it? by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even if a global treaty is struck to declare privacy a basic human right -- who is going to provide the oversight, who will punish those that breach the treaty and how will such punishment be administered?

    Reality check: There's just no way this is going to work.

    Aren't there global treaties that outlaw torture?

    What happens at Gitmo, who is punished for the violations and how is that punishment metered out?

    This, I am afraid, is nothing more than an exercise in futility. We have already lost our right to privacy and the only way it will return is probably by way of an armed uprising.

    If our grandfathers and great-grandfathers could see just how many of the rights and freedoms they fought to protect have now been lost in the name of "safety" and "security", they'd turn in their graves.

  2. Re:Still the US' fault by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The US exerts their political influence on other countries like the UK, France, Germany, and so many others to engage in surveillance of innocent citizens.

    Troll is obvious troll.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  3. Re: Still the US' fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Europe has learned no lessons, since European states have been embroiled in colonial wars well after WW2. They claim the high ground in the same way a serial killer can.

  4. Can't put the genie back into the bottle by Visarga · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is not that US or EU don't want to respect human rights, but that now the technology for total surveillance exists, and it can't be made to disappear any more. Even if US and EU stopped surveilling, other actors would still do it.

    Some, like FB, would do it for practical and economical reasons, just because there are server logs and they need to optimize advertising and user engagement. Other, like various totalitarian regimes, would still do it because they see it as a counterbalance for the increased social activism powered by the increase in connectivity that has permeated all societies. People got new powers in the last two decades, and the state got new powers too. They are afraid of these more connected and organized masses.

    Even if countries didn't do it, corporations and various shady groups would still do it. All it takes is to put a monitor on the pipe or a video camera on the highway to record everything that passes through there. And when one party does it, all parties need to do it to keep up and not come at a disadvantage in security.

    What we need to do is it to regulate how this information is being used to restrain our rights. We need to learn to be more tolerant - we all have our secrets and they shouldn't be weaponized against us, at least not in the public moral court. So we need to adjust our social standards to allow for more diversity, because now we all live in a panopticon and there's no turning back to the privacy and anonymity times of our parents.

    Maybe something good will also come out of this. With more data and analysis power, we could guide our policies and avoid some excesses that usually went unnoticed in the dark ages of information. And now we need to accept the reality of our panopticon society and build a better way of living in it.

    1. Re:Can't put the genie back into the bottle by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even if US and EU stopped surveilling, other actors would still do it.

      All that means is the US and EU would then be mandated to stop these other actors from surveilling their citizens, which is exactly as it should be. To a certain extent the EU is already doing this.

      Some, like FB, would do it for practical and economical reasons, just because there are server logs and they need to optimize advertising and user engagement.

      Aggregate data and broad trends used for very specific purposes then discarded are very different to individualised data to be sold on or stored indefinetely.

      Other, like various totalitarian regimes, would still do it because they see it as a counterbalance for the increased social activism powered by the increase in connectivity that has permeated all societies.

      Totalitarian regimes already do lots of things that would be completely unacceptable in western democracies, why should surveillance get a free pass here.

      Even if countries didn't do it, corporations and various shady groups would still do it. All it takes is to put a monitor on the pipe or a video camera on the highway to record everything that passes through there. And when one party does it, all parties need to do it to keep up and not come at a disadvantage in security.

      There seems to be a weird shibboleth doing the rounds on slashdot that corporations are somehow above the law. They aren't, and when they break the law they get caught sooner or later. I mean by the above logic we may as well make murder legal since laws against murder haven't put an end to murder.

      So we need to adjust our social standards to allow for more diversity, because now we all live in a panopticon and there's no turning back to the privacy and anonymity times of our parents.

      Are you seriously trying to turn an Orwellian nightmare into a social justice issue? I mean I get what you're trying to say, we should all relax a bit instead of the usual internet performance of getting wound up to ninety but privacy is a battle that can most definetely be won.

      And now we need to accept the reality of our panopticon society and build a better way of living in it.

      Sod that.

  5. Re:We are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    more likely to receive a message from aliens than to get USA, UK, Russia and China to agree to this

    Oh, but they are agreeing on this issue, just not what you would want.