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EFF: DMCA Hinders Exposing More Software Cheats Like Volkswagen's

ideonexus writes: Automakers have argued that the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act makes it unlawful for researchers to review the code controlling their vehicles without the manufacturer's permission, making it extremely difficult to expose software cheats like the one Volkswagen used to fake emissions tests. Arguing that this obfuscation of code goes so far as to endanger lives at times, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) maintains that, "When you entrust your health, safety, or privacy to a device, the law shouldn't punish you for trying to understand how that device works and whether it is trustworthy."

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  1. Ha! by clonehappy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I love it! Volkswagen should just say "We didn't do it." Then sue whoever produces their code for reverse-engineering it. Then they can claim whatever "black-hat hacker" did it added the offending code to frame them. Prove otherwise without breaking the law!

    1. Re:Ha! by bazmail · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately that is the way thing stand. In the US at least.

      Laws written by corporations and rubber stamped by corrupt politicians trump all other concerns it seems.

    2. Re:Ha! by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      Well, since it's a practical test of real-world things and implemented in MILLIONS of vehicles and was discovered by people doing real-world verification ... AND they've admitted to it ... it's a little late for that.

      But make no mistake, the DMCA was written in such a way as to stack the deck for corporations and is an entirely one-sided bit of law which only represents corporate interests.

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    3. Re:Ha! by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      Well, you say that ... but you should check which treaties your government may have signed which imposed an even more evil version on you.

      The last bunch of trade treaties the US has been involved in have basically added a LOT of scope creep to a LOT of countries when it comes to copyright and digital rights.

      Which means your not giving a shit might be trumped by the fact that your government was cajoled into making you subject to something similar or even more restrictive.

      Surprise, bad laws favoring industry is a large export of the US these days -- they're in the business of entrenching the profits of multinationals into law these days.

      I wouldn't assume you aren't covered by that law, or a local equivalent. In fact, I'd assume you are.

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  2. By design by nitehawk214 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is by design in the DCMA. Keep people from looking at your code means preventing independent oversight.

    But everyone that knows anything about the software industry already knows this.

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  3. Re:Yep by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, they don't. The RIAA/etc are unhappy with it, because in their mind it doesn't do enough. They want laws that will let them ram eternal unbreakable copyright down our throats, eliminates fair use or any other provisions that don't involve paying them truckloads of money for stuff written before most of us were even born.

    They accepted DMCA as what they could get at the time, but don't make the mistake of sleeping on it, because their lobbyists and lawyers will do whatever they can to get it strengthened, whether in congress or in court rulings.

  4. So start doing it covertly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If the auto manufacturers want to start treating legitimate researchers like blackhats, they should just start acting like them. I'm sure they could cover their tracks and still publish the research.

    Security through obscurity is doomed to fail. Auto makers apparently need to learn this lesson, but it would nice if they didn't have to learn it the hard way given the lives at stake. What really needs to happen is the establishment of a standards body and automotive software being held to a standard just as avionics software is. I get that this increases the price of the software considerably, but clearly it needs to be done.

  5. All software/firmware should be exposed for review by rtkluttz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All of it is doing things that would make us riot in the street if we had insight into its behavior. People need access to every piece of code for every thing they own and should have the right to change it if they deem it necessary. Hardware and Things do not = software and we should have the right to buy the thing but decline or change the software if we don't agree with what it does and how it does it. Change nothing about how we pay for it, people deserve to get paid if they so choose, but they don't deserve to force their backdoors, cheats, anti-consumer behaviors etc on us if we don't want to use their crap.

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  6. Re:Yep by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Congress should repeal it, but they won't because those with actual political power like it.

    That is the voters' problem. If they don't vote for a congress that will repeal the DMCA, it simply won't happen. Pretty basic, don't you think?

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  7. Which entity is really cheating? by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm just going to throw this out there knowing that a certain type of reader will scoff.
    First, the EPA sets two competing requirements: lower emissions and higher mileage. Do they have any engineering expertise that proves this is even possible? My guess is not just no but hell no. It's also possible that the EPA can get away with this by playing the evil, greedy corporation card saying, "The car companies don't want to do this because they are greedy," and a certain type of person will believe it. So, if you're a manufacturer trying to sell a product, which of these two requirements is going to sell better? I can pretty much guarantee that the consumer doesn't give a rat's ass about emissions when they could be saving money on gas which may also be artificially expensive.
    Second, it's entirely possible that the EPA has created unrealistic if not unattainable requirements for auto manufacturers not because they have any real scientific or engineering expertise that it's possible but in a thinly-veiled long-con attempt to drive these companies out of business. Kafka would say, "Damn, wish I had thought of this." The consumer is never going to pay more money for less product unless they are forced to. Brow-beating them into "saving the planet" doesn't work when it's costing the individual a lot more money.

    1. Re:Which entity is really cheating? by swb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Do they have any engineering expertise that proves this is even possible?

      Maybe the last 100 years of internal combustion engine evolution? Detroit whined it was impossible until the Japanese and Europeans started selling cars with improved mileage.

      My guess is that there is a shitload of engineering consulting on setting pollution and fuel consumption targets with ranges known to be obtainable with well understood technologies. I kind of doubt they are throwing darts on a dartboard.

  8. Re:Yep by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    There are more than two candidates, and anybody is allowed to run. Nobody forces you to vote for the ruling party. And save your breath on the 'lesser evil' bullshit.

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  9. Re:Yep by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is the voters' problem. If they don't vote for a congress that will repeal the DMCA, it simply won't happen.

    Voters have a lot of concerns besides DMCA. DMCA was approved by a voice vote, so no one is on record voting either for or against. So who are you going to vote for or against? In general, Democrats tend to be more "pro-IP" because they get big donations from the entertainment industry, and represent almost all the big tech-hubs (Silicon Valley, Seattle, Boston, NYC, etc.). If you really believe that DMCA is more important than military intervention, inequality, human rights, etc. then I suppose you could vote straight Republican, but I doubt if that would make much difference, since none of them have made "Repeal the DMCA!!!" part of their platform.

    Pretty basic, don't you think?

    No. Even people that care about this issue have no mechanism for expressing that concern through their votes.

  10. Re:Yep by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    If it is so hopeless, then it's time to rethink majority rule.

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  11. Re:Yep by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...anybody is allowed to run. Nobody forces you to vote for the ruling party.

    Yes they do. Political parties and gerrymandering, ballot access laws, and voting systems themselves (e.g. "first-past-the-post") -- among other things -- all conspire to force that.

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  12. Re:Yep by danbob999 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The problem in the USA is that corporation can fund political parties without any limit. Therefore corporations choose which party can or can't run.
    There are only two parties and both of them support the DMCA. To have a chance to repeal the DMCA, USA needs to reform political parties financing rules.

  13. Re:Ze Germans eh? by danbob999 · · Score: 2

    The problem is that the Roman Empire was no more or no less evil than any other empire/country/kingdom/whatever of its time. The same can't be said of Nazi Germany.

  14. Re:Yep by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Are you saying that there are only two candidates on the ballot? And that the people of the redrawn district can't conspire (petition) to have anyone they want put on the ballot? Sorry, you're still only describing choices made by the voter.

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  15. Re:Yep by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which is why, as a Libertarian, I oppose any extension of Government power on principle alone. We already have too much government interference in our lives.

    Queue up the anti Libertarian rants below, starting with "Somalia" in 3 ... 2 ...1

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  16. Re:Yep by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Absolute nonsense. The money is not the issue. It is the scapegoat. If the voters choose to turn their backs, all the money in the world won't make a bit of difference. Right now it is the voter who sells his vote to the highest bidder. Don't blame the corporations for that. The problem is ours to deal with, the person in the mirror.

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  17. A Very Telling statement was in the Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It went as follows: . . .

    "Surprisingly, the EPA wrote in [PDF] to the Copyright Office to oppose the exemptions we’re seeking. In doing this, the EPA is asking the Copyright Office to leave copyright law in place as a barrier to a wide range of activities that are perfectly legal under environmental regulations: ecomodding that actually improves emissions and fuel economy, modification of vehicles for off-road racing, or activities that have nothing to do with pollution. "

    I don't think "Suprisingly" is a word is a word I would use to describe what the EPA did there. I realize many people think they are the champions of the common man trying to give us a clean environment but their actions are always consistently protectionist for large corporations. Many who have followed their history have commented on how they seem to protect large corporations who pollute from big lawsuits and replace them with a slap on the wrist fine. Smaller competitors, on the other hand, get crippling business requirements with ever increasing regulations. That's our government. :-)

  18. Black Box Software by neonv · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The best way to test the emissions software, and the best from an engineering validation perspective, is to compare the Volkswagen software readings against direct measurements of the emissions (out of the tailpipe). This is a much more accurate method of regulation, and would have prevented this Volkswagen fiasco from the beginning. Regulators should test it this way rather than assume a vehicle manufacturer wrote software correctly, or even deliberately miswrote it. Access to software source code becomes unnecessary.

  19. Re:Yep by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 4, Informative

    The only one, arguably, would be Lincoln in 1860, since at the time the Republican Party was still an insurgent, and was still in the final stages of supplanting the Whig party, but even that one would be a stretch, as they were clearly in the top two (and would remain firmly ensconced to this day as such).

    And more importantly, we haven't had an actual supplanting of either of the two parties in the 155 years since then, despite it happening twice in the preceding 50 or so years. Instead, the two parties are so thoroughly entrenched that the more successful tactic has been to infiltrate and take over one of the two parties from within. Both parties have changed noticeably on a number of issues, to the point that they're almost unrecognizable when compared with their original versions (and, more ironically, are arguably closer to the OTHER one's original beliefs/constituencies).

  20. Re:Yep by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    Use a spelling checker?

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