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John Harrison: Inventor and Longitude Hero

szczys writes: Here's an interesting fact: when at sea you can't establish your longitude without a reliable clock. You can figure out latitude with a sextant, but not longitude. Early clocks used pendulums that don't work on a rocking boat. So in the 1700s the British government offered up £20,000 for a reliable clock that would work at sea. John Harrison designed a really accurate ocean-worthy clock after 31 years of effort and was snubbed for the prize which would be £2.8 Million at today's value. After fighting for the payout for another 36 years he did finally get it at the ripe old age of 80. The methods he used to build this maritime chronometer were core to every wrist and pocket watch through the first third of the 20th Century. One of his timepieces, designated Clock B, was declared by Guinness to be the world's most accurate mechanical clock with a pendulum swinging in free air' more than 250 years after it was designed.

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  1. Dava Sobel by sillivalley · · Score: 5, Informative

    Please, read Dava Sobel's book, Longitude, about the trials and travails of Harrison -- it's a tremendous read. And if you ever get to the Royal Observatory in Greenwich (England), look at the Harrison models, they are amazing.

    This is a guy who was a Maker -- self taught and more.

    1. Re:Dava Sobel by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 3, Funny

      There's a movie by the same name, starring Jeremy Irons. Slow, but well worth a watch (heh).

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    2. Re:Dava Sobel by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I never read the book, but watched a really interesting documentary about his lifelong pursuit of that prize. It's really quite fascinating if you have any interest in maritime history.

      It's also a bit sad how he was completely snubbed and denied proper credit for his inventions (in addition to the monetary prize for many years) at the time simply because of his social status (a relatively uneducated craftsman). From what I remember, it literally took the King of England to force the issue after he saw those amazing devices in action, and heard how irrationally stubborn the prize committee was being.

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    3. Re:Dava Sobel by KGIII · · Score: 5, Informative
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    4. Re:Dava Sobel by TWX · · Score: 2, Informative

      Please, read Dava Sobel's book, Longitude, about the trials and travails of Harrison -- it's a tremendous read. And if you ever get to the Royal Observatory in Greenwich (England), look at the Harrison models, they are amazing. This is a guy who was a Maker -- self taught and more.

      They aren't the Harrison models, they're the actual clocks he built. What I found interesting is that the final winning device, the H4, is arguably a really large pocket watch rather than a traditional clock, and was the first device to be unaffected by the motions of the vessel in the water, which were what caused all previous models to fail when they otherwise worked on land.

      This guy wasn't a Maker, he actually knew how to do things and how to use hand tools to achieve his goals. He was an inventor that knew how to work in the practical world, at least as far as the principles of mechanics are concerned.

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    5. Re:Dava Sobel by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      NOVA is one of the best programs on air today. hard to believe its been on for as long as it has. thanks i have not seen this one!

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    6. Re:Dava Sobel by khellendros1984 · · Score: 2

      I read that years ago, and it fascinated me even as a teenager. It combined elements of engineering and navigation in ways that I hadn't ever considered, and this makes me want to seek out that book again.

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    7. Re:Dava Sobel by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      This guy wasn't a Maker, he actually knew how to do things and how to use hand tools to achieve his goals.

      Aaah excellent more maker hate from randos on the internet. I don't get the sheer level of vitriol aimed at people who instead of sitting on their arses watching TV or whining on the internet actually get up and do something with their time. Jealousy, perhaps?

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    8. Re:Dava Sobel by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Aaah excellent more maker hate from randos on the internet. I don't get the sheer level of vitriol aimed at people who instead of sitting on their arses watching TV or whining on the internet actually get up and do something with their time. Jealousy, perhaps?

      GP does come across as unnecessarily insulting. That's not a justification for ad hominem in return, though.

      A few things:

      (1) There *IS* a significant difference between the modern "maker" and the traditional "craftsman." In general, the sense I get of the maker movement is that it does not focus on specialization -- rather on general familiarity with a wide variety of tools, equipment, and approaches. This is quite different from a traditional craftsman, who might spend years apprenticing to learn a specific subset of skills, then decades perfecting those skills. One cannot compare a "maker" who learned how to use a power saw last week to help with his random electronics project that has a wood frame with a carpenter who has been doing complex woodworking for 25 years. I think that's kinda the point GP was making, even if it was expressed poorly. And it's a legitimate point.

      (2) Of the few self-identified "makers" I've conversed with for any period of time, most of them have in fact come across as pretentious dilettantes who don't really know much of anything about traditional crafts. Yet they act like all of their knowledge is so powerful and deep. I'm not claiming my sample is representative, but it is what I've observed.

      (3) I have absolutely nothing against most of the "maker" goals. Being familiar with "how stuff works" and "how to do things" used to be, well, common knowledge. Reviving these skills and encouraging inventiveness and creativity with physical objects is in general a very good thing.

      (4) That said, because of my experiences with the pretentious idiots above, I would never want anyone to refer to me as a "maker," despite the fact that I value many of the same skills and have for decades. I also don't consider that most of my skills qualify me for any special title -- they're just general purpose things that any person should be familiar with, like basic woodworking, mechanical know-how, electronics, etc. Just because I've built some of my own things out of wood and tend to take apart an electric device to try to fix it (rather than throwing it out right away and buying a new one) doesn't grant me any special status -- it's just living life and being a well-rounded person with some practical skills.

      What I find particularly unattractive about the "maker" designation is how they've tried to co-opt every person who does just about anything and try to act like they are part of this "movement." Recently, when I told someone that I bake bread rather than buy it from the store, ferment stuff, experiment with making soft cheeses, occasionally can things, and do a few other things in the kitchen, they asked whether I was a "maker."

      What the heck? No -- I'm doing exactly what my grandmother did. It's practical, useful skills in my kitchen that save me money and frankly produce food that tastes better than anything I can buy in grocery store.

      Have you ever sewn something? Have you ever made your own soap? Do you compost in your backyard? Apparently, you too can be a maker.

      For some people, it's gotten to the point that having any basic practical skill which most people send out to a 3rd party turns you into a "maker."

      And most of the time, the emphasis that I've heard from the self-identified "makers" I know is on simplicity and deliberate avoidance of advanced skills. The typical "maker" isn't striving to create a beautiful ornate cabinet with inlaid wood of four different colors -- no... the "maker" wants to be able have a "recipe" that chops up a pre-fabricated door into seven parts and reassembles it as an ugly, but functional cabinet in an afterno

    9. Re:Dava Sobel by LWATCDR · · Score: 2

      Because maker is frankly an annoying marketing term. Look at old Popular Science, Popular Mechanics,and or Radio/Electronics magazines from the 40 to the 70s and you will see all sorts of projects. Look at the computer magazines like Byte, Computer, and Creative Computing from the 70s and 80s and you will see lots of hardware projects and lots of code.
      Ham radio and the EAA are two examples of communities that were making things far before anyone used the term Maker.
      Harrison is not a maker because he was a professional craftsman. He was a clockmaker and inventor. The term maker does not apply because it did not exist at that time.
      I like it that people are getting into creating and tinkering more and more. The marketing hype that goes with it is what gets to me. The idea that this is somehow a new thing is a really annoying thing. To me it is more of an over hyped return to a normal way of life vs the mid 80-2000s it just cheaper to buy one way of life.

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  2. GPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Here's an interesting fact: when at sea you can't establish your longitude without a reliable clock.

    Not true. You can use GPS.

    1. Re: GPS by johnwallace123 · · Score: 5, Informative

      And of course GPS is nothing more than very accurate clocks in orbit. So you're still using a clock to get your longitude (4 of them, in fact!).

    2. Re: GPS by Frankzy · · Score: 2

      Which uses very accurate clocks...

    3. Re: GPS by Sangui5 · · Score: 2

      Five... you need one locally too, even though you get to calibrate it from the other four.

    4. Re:GPS by sexconker · · Score: 3, Interesting

      GPS relies on clocks, but it's still not true.
      You can use any fixed point of reference and triangulation to determine longitude.

      You just can't use the stars or the sun because the Earth rotates and you'd need to now what time it was in order to know what their position would be.

      You can use just about any continent or any large island if you have accurate maps.
      You can also use the moon if you carefully watch it change to its fullest or wait for the tiniest sliver to vanish, for example. The phases of the moon serve as your clock. Hard to accurately measure, but if you're stuck at sea with nothing else to do you it can change being 1000 miles off course to being 100 miles off course.

      It isn't easy, but it's one of the many ways ancient navigators navigated. We're talking about clocks in the 1700s, yet by that time voyages to the new world were getting to be fairly routine. Accurate maps, measuring speed (with the knot method for example), learning the currents and weather patterns, etc. made such voyages possible. Clocks made it easy enough for the Brits to send everyone and their dog over on anything that would float.

    5. Re:GPS by ceoyoyo · · Score: 5, Informative

      An easier way to use the moon is by measuring it's position relative to the stars. Then you don't have to wait for a particular phase. In fact, that's the method that was in competition with Harrison.

    6. Re:GPS by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      You can use just about any continent or any large island if you have accurate maps.

      While your solution of finding your position on the open sea by not being on the open sea shows a degree of lateral thinking, it does rather skip the difficult bit about finding land in the first place without running into it and, like, totally sinking and dying and stuff.

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  3. Re:But Could Have It Been Built in the 1700's? by msobkow · · Score: 3

    He didn't just design them. He built them. An earlier post mentions the museum where they're displayed.

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  4. Re:this write-up is wrong by Sangui5 · · Score: 4, Informative

    You do not need a clock to determine longitude. In fact, a sextant can be used, as long as you have the appropriate tables that map various celestial angles to the correct date and time. These tables were originally overseen by Nevil Maskelyne, one of Harrison's rivals to the longitude prize.

    I was going to bring up myself that technically, you don't need a clock, because of the lunar distance method. However, that's only a "technically"; the lunar distance method was never really practical for use at sea.

    The two methods are an early instance of the closed-tech vs open-tech argument we're so used to now.

    To call it open vs closed is a little bit of an overstatement. Harrison disclosed how his clocks worked and their method of manufacture. He did have patents on some of the techniques, but for the speed technology moved at the time, the length of the patents were quite reasonable. (Also, IIRC the admiralty was allowed to licence it out to others for a fixed rate).

    The big thing is that longitude is hard. To this day a mechanical clock which can keep time well enough for accurate navigation is an expensive and specialized thing. Irrespective of patents, such clocks were simply expensive to build. However, once you bought one, they were easy to use. The lunar distance method required little in the way of equipment (that is, it had low capital outlay). However, it required highly accurate relative measures of many astrological features in a short time. From the deck of a rolling ship. With finicky table lookups. At night. With a bunch of finicky calculations afterwards. And of course, if it was partly cloudy and you couldn't make all of your measurements, well, you'd better hope your sand watch (that is, hourglass) had good holdover. That is, even with the lunar distance method, you still had to have good timekeeping to figure out your in between positions.

    The insurance companies (that is, Lloyd's and their subgroups) eventually forced mercantile adoption of Harrison's clocks. And of course, today we just use clocks. Atomic clocks moving in relativistic conditions, but still easier than the lunar distance method.

  5. They were built in the 1700's by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Informative

    If the clock could be produced using 1700's machining and metallurgical technology, only then would it prove Harrison's contemporary critics incorrect.

    Harrison built his clocks in the 1700's (although apparently Slashdot only just heard about it). They were incredible machines for their time and, after much wrangling with the astronomers of the time (who thought that schemes like making detailed observations of the moons of Jupiter through a telescope on the heaving deck of a ship in the mid-atlantic were better ideas) he won 1700's X-prize equivalent for inventing a machine to accurately measure longitude. You can actually see the clocks he made in the old Royal Greenwich Observatory building in London.

    1. Re:They were built in the 1700's by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      Harrison built his clocks in the 1700's (although apparently Slashdot only just heard about it).

      That's actually not bad going by /. standards.

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  6. Re:this write-up is wrong by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Lunars aren't that hard. I've done them from a sailboat. They're a bit more finicky than straight elevation observations, but not that much. Determining latitude with a sextant ALSO requires finicky observations, error prone table lookups and/or a bunch of calculations. And you can only do it at dawn, dusk or noon (NOT at night), unless you have one of those newfangled lighted bubble levels (good luck using one of those at sea) and not in bad weather.

    The big reason clocks won out over lunars is that Harrison's clocks were more accurate.

  7. You do need a clock! by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    You do not need a clock to determine longitude.

    Yes you do. Maskelyne's method just uses the moon as a clock and required being able to accurately measure the angular separation between the moon and a bright star near its path to determine the time. Since the moon moves ~0.5 degrees every hour you need to measure the angle to at least this accuracy to get a time. While it worked it required great care measuring the angles, complex tables to convert the angle to a time and a clear view of the night sky. Even with all this extra effort on the one voyage where they were compared directly this method produced an error three times greater than Harrison's clock.

    I would also disagree with your open tech argument. Have a look at the 1775 Nautical Almanac. Apart from copyright on the tables you had to have a government license to print them and the calculations on which the tables are based are not given anywhere (although there is some reassurance that the calculations have been checked multiple times). Worse this is a something you had to purchase every year. I don't see how this is any more open than Harrison's clock whose mechanism you could examine and tweak if you though you could do better.

  8. Re:No Cost Clause by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It was far too expensive to practically manufacture in the day.

    It was expensive, but not too expensive. Ships were also expensive. Entire fleets of warships and the upkeep of the sailors and marines even more so.

    But, it was not an open society, and monarchies can change the rules on a whim.

    You know you're exactly back to front? The government through the longitude commission kept on changing the rules. The king weighed in and convinced them to stick to the rules. So it was actually the monarchy keeping the government honest.

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