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(Over-)Measuring the Working Man

HughPickens.com writes: Tyler Cowen writes in MIT Technology Review that the improved measurement of worker performance through information technology is beginning to allow employers to measure value fairly precisely and as we get better at measuring who produces what, the pay gap between those who make more and those who make less grows. Insofar as workers type at a computer, everything they do is logged, recorded, and measured. Surveillance of workers continues to increase, and statistical analysis of large data sets makes it increasingly easy to evaluate individual productivity, even if the employer has a fairly noisy data set about what is going on in the workplace. Consider journalism. In the "good old days," no one knew how many people were reading an article, or an individual columnist. Today a digital media company knows exactly how many people are reading which articles for how long, and also whether they click through to other links. The result is that many journalists turn out to be not so valuable at all. Their wages fall or they lose their jobs, while the superstar journalists attract more Web traffic and become their own global brands.

According to Cowen, the upside is that measuring value tends to boost productivity, as has been the case since the very beginning of management science. We're simply able to do it much better now, and so employers can assign the most productive workers to the most suitable tasks. The downsides are several. Individuals don't in fact enjoy being evaluated all the time, especially when the results are not always stellar: for most people, one piece of negative feedback outweighs five pieces of positive feedback.

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  1. Glorious! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Instead of using technology to reduce working hours and "trickling down" benefits to everyone, we use it for things like this!

    1. Re:Glorious! by kilfarsnar · · Score: 2

      Instead of using technology to reduce working hours and "trickling down" benefits to everyone, we use it for things like this!

      Indeed. And with a 65% workforce participation rate. Just one more indication (as if we needed another) that the current system serves owners, not labor.

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    2. Re: Glorious! by ememisya · · Score: 1

      Back in the old days in Turkey oh I'd say in the 70s, bossman would pull up a small chair, get his news paper and watch all his employees as they worked, loudly sipping his tea. As soon as he looked away employees would try to rest, nobody trusted the bossman back then, they just trusted each other. I'm glad we're over such sweatshop treatment of the all watchful eye.

    3. Re:Glorious! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and you know you'll still end up needing to do those stupid performance self-evaluations one or two times a year.

  2. I've checked all the measurements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I come in first every time.

    1. Re:I've checked all the measurements by davester666 · · Score: 1

      doesn't really matter when you turn around and leave right away.

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  3. the byrd with the clipboard following us around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    more interested in how much faster we can produce wmd on credit propaganda & never if we're having a good day, or if our basic needs are being met in these turbulent times?

  4. Statistics are still lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Basing the productivity on pure numbers is not really that telling.
    Example: Donald Trump has the best numbers currently... does that mean he will be the best president?

    1. Re:Statistics are still lies by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Point taken on that, although I'd point out that in a democracy, sometimes having the best numbers also contributes substantially to you being a good president. This is because you have the popularity to get things done that need to get done in spite of opposition.

      That doesn't mean someone like Trump will make good use of that sort of popularity, but it does mean that you could put a genius in the Presidency, but if he's unpopular, he'll find he can't get anything done and be remembered as mediocre at best. That's because leaders need to be perceived as having leadership and legitimacy, and numbers are the most clear way of making that case.

    2. Re:Statistics are still lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Example: Donald Trump has the best numbers currently... does that mean he will be the best president?

      You're an idiot.

      What you mean to say is that "the most popular choice is not always the best one." And while true, that is orthogonal to this discussion. If measurements tell you that Donald Trump is the most popular candidate at the moment, then ALL you can conclude from that based on the numbers is that he is the most popular candidate. Any jump from there to "best" "most suitable" "highest performing" or anything else is your own mistake.

      However, if a metric existed that allowed you to measure a kind of benchmark for aptitude, motivation, and honest desire to serve the public, coupled with intelligence, charisma, and the ability to speak persuasively and lucidly - that might make a really good "choose by the numbers" measurement to judge our candidates by. Choosing by the numbers is fine - just make sure you're measuring on the right dimensions.

    3. Re:Statistics are still lies by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      but it does mean that you could put a genius in the Presidency, but if he's unpopular, he'll find he can't get anything done and be remembered as mediocre at best.

      Sadly....we never have and likely never WILL have any genius types running for president, as that they're too smart to get caught up and mess with all the BS that is politics....

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    4. Re:Statistics are still lies by lucien86 · · Score: 1

      What about George W Bush, a real genius there.. ;D

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    5. Re:Statistics are still lies by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      Sadly....we never have and likely never WILL have any genius types running for president, as that they're too smart to get caught up and mess with all the BS that is politics....

      More likely that geniuses don't speak common enough or look best when on TV, and they certainly don't appeal to the common denominator that democratic politics demand.

  5. Clickbait wins by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This metric would seem to be encouraging authors that write the clickbaitiest titles. Sounds wonderful.

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    1. Re:Clickbait wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Journalism now is essentially just entertainment. If you watch CNN or Fox you will see what I mean. The focus is on generating controversy by focusing on things that really don't matter in the big picture, but are incendiary.

    2. Re:Clickbait wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you read most of what is on the Internet. That has been happening to the extreme with contents of short article often repeated or even copied by sites that have hired "reporters" that haven't a clue of how to do anything else. It is actually hard to find a decent site that has useful material if you are new to an area.

    3. Re:Clickbait wins by nbauman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This metric would seem to be encouraging authors that write the clickbaitiest titles. Sounds wonderful.

      Cowen's assumption is that the things that are easy to measure are also meaningful and contribute to the organizations' success. In journalism, that's not usually true.

      I once worked for a weekly newspaper in Brooklyn. The publisher had more (family) money than brains. The paper was doing badly and he was getting desperate.

      One week, we ran a British-style tabloid headline, "4-year-old girl raped, murdered." It had the highest newsstand circulation of any issue.

      This was followed by a wave of angry subscription cancellations. One subscriber wrote, "I don't want this garbage coming into my house."

      The paper continued on its downward trend and finally shut down.

      The moral: following a meaningless metric can give you a boost in the short term, and harm the enterprise in the long term.

      Like VW's emission test results....

    4. Re:Clickbait wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That seems to be the case. I recently visited the website of a reputable broadcaster for news. While their radio news programs are fine, their website reeked of clickbait. Of course, it was easy to notice in a scenario like that. A several-year absence from reading their website plus a parallel news source that should contain nearly identical content. Usually it's harder to notice because of a slow downwards slide.

    5. Re:Clickbait wins by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. Metrics are very tricky. Applied wrongly (the standard case) they harm you a lot. Also, in many cases, "productivity" is not what it seems to be, unless you are a mindless factory worker that only produces more or fewer of a specific part and quality is not a concern. For example, I have made brief remarks in meetings that ended up preventing massive losses to customers. How do you measure that? Right, you cannot.

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    6. Re:Clickbait wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't like being monitored? TOO BAD! Remember who pays who here.

    7. Re:Clickbait wins by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. Metrics are very tricky. Applied wrongly (the standard case) they harm you a lot. Also, in many cases, "productivity" is not what it seems to be, unless you are a mindless factory worker that only produces more or fewer of a specific part and quality is not a concern. For example, I have made brief remarks in meetings that ended up preventing massive losses to customers. How do you measure that? Right, you cannot.

      The problem with metrics is, well, you get what you measure.

      And for a lot of metrics, what you measure is not what you're wanting to measure, because what you want to measure is vague and not easily measureable. E.g., productivity is not something you can measure. You can't take two people and easily say that one is more productive than the other.

      And there are other metrics you CAN measure directly, but the cause and effect are so far removed from the people that it's impossible to actually determine who contributed. E.g., savings. Sure you can say the company saved $100,000 this quarter, but which employee did the most?

      And even then, there are hidden consequences.

      As I said above, you get what you measure. If you measure savings, you will get savings. But you may also have to deal with the consequences of it - perhaps regular maintenance becomes irregular and you're setting yourself up for a catastrophic failure in a couple of years. But since you'll have 8 quarters of meeting the metric, it doesn't matter if the failure costs more than what was saved. Or you'll find people will struggle with obsolete equipment way beyond its replacement date to make the numbers come in lower.

      Likewise, if you try to measure productivity, people will make the measurement. If you measure keystrokes, yes, you'll find keystrokes increase. But that might mean "space" and "backspace" are the most popular keys.

      If you measure lines of code, you'll find a lot of copy-pasta coding.

      And so on - you will get what you measure. You will not get what you don't measure. And the weaker the relationship between what you REALLY want to measure and the proxy you're using, the more useless the measure is.

    8. Re:Clickbait wins by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      Like VW's emission test results....

      Well, one man's trash, as they say. I'm hoping to pick up a gently used VW diesel for cheap very soon.

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    9. Re:Clickbait wins by edittard · · Score: 1

      This metric would seem to be encouraging authors that write the clickbaitiest titles. Sounds wonderful.

      Thankfully that could never happen here.

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    10. Re:Clickbait wins by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      The moral: following a meaningless metric can give you a boost in the short term, and harm the enterprise in the long term.

      I'd say there are a couple "morals" to be learned from you example.

      Another one is that loyal customers can be important in many businesses.

      I know it's a bit crazy to say that today, in an era when most people seem to switch at a moment's notice -- whether that's switching brands or jobs or relationships or careers or whatever.

      But the reality is that many traditional business models were kept afloat by traditional customer loyalty. Do I go and buy the cheapest meal in town? The restaurant that sells the most stuff?

      That kind of logic gets you a world full of McDonalds-type restaurants. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that business model, but there are other models possible.

      Lots of people want more than "fast food." (And yes, I'm making an analogy with the cheap sensationalistic headlines in newspapers too.) You give them a nice atmosphere, decent food, decent value, good service, etc., and they come back every few weeks. You get a bunch of customers like that, and you have a loyal customer base to support your restaurant.

      Many (most?) businesses today act as though customers are completely fungible. TFS describes metrics that make that exact assumption. Heck, employees at many businesses are treated as fungible too. And now we're proposing metrics that differentiate employees solely on the assumption that customers are fungible?

      I'm sure this can work for some businesses. But it generally produces a "race to the bottom" mindset where the only thing that matters is the absolute lowest possible quality that most people will accept for the cheapest price.

      And, for online journalism, that spells disaster for even those retained after the first wave of firings. Humans are expensive to pay to write. But even a crappy chatbot can write a meaningless sensationalistic headline. At this rate, in 10 years the internet "news" will be full of nearly meaningless drivel written by computer algorithms searching and compiling crap from whatever tweets are put out concerning sports and celebrity gossip.

      That's where it's heading, folks. Firing your journalists who actually write real news won't save you. All it will do is make it even harder to differentiate your meaningless blather from a million other sites with similar meaningless blather.

      I don't claim to know what will survive this transition in the news media. But I'm pretty sure that the only paid journalists in 20 years will be at places that have established at least some sort of "brand loyalty" by differentiating themselves, not those who live off of clickbait alone.

    11. Re:Clickbait wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol. So at this point they had just one subscriber?

      I'd love a source on this, sounds hilarious.

  6. Holistic synergy by h4x0t · · Score: 1

    So we need more cunts a few layers up digging through 'big data' in order to lower the wages of the grunts actually putting out product.

    Boo.

    I cannot wait until this tech is spoofed into oblivion.

    1. Re:Holistic synergy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a lot worse than that -- even slackers are more productive now than employees 30 years ago, but pay doesn't come anywhere near reflecting that increased productivity for anyone. Except the owners of course. That's what the talking heads on teevee mean when they say wages are flat.

    2. Re:Holistic synergy by gweihir · · Score: 2

      And that is the other thing the metrics-fanatics overlook consistently: Most metrics are easy to spoof. Quite often it does not even require smart people to do it. At the same time, application of metrics significantly lowers loyalty, as people rightfully perceive themselves to be seen as "just a number". So unless the metrics bring massive increases in productivity, using them is already a losers game.

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  7. This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Seriously, the only people who should have a problem with this are people who are trying to coast through their job and fly under the radar. Those of us who give 110% each and every day have nothing to worry about because we'll always be at the leading edge of the curve.

    1. Re:This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Working smart is a lot more valuable than working hard, though it's probably out of your reach with those math skills.

    2. Re:This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by kschendel · · Score: 1

      HAHAHA! Boy do you have a lot to learn.

      Sure, you might be fine as long as the chosen measurement happens to also measure how you do your job. Unless your job is mechanical and unthinking, that's unlikely to be the case -- it's HARD to measure productivity. 99.9999999% of organizations will choose to measure something more concrete in hopes that it will be a reasonable proxy for productivity. It won't be.

    3. Re:This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, you thought we were measuring how well you worked? Sorry, the metric is on how brown your nose is, same as it's been for centuries.

    4. Re:This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Seriously, the only people who should have a problem with this are people who are trying to coast through their job and fly under the radar. Those of us who give 110% each and every day have nothing to worry about because we'll always be at the leading edge of the curve.

      So, if I have nothing to hide I have nothing to fear? Besides, no one gives 110% every day. If they did, they'd be burned out in a year. Then there are the places that just fire the bottom 10% regardless. Yeah, that sounds like a great place to work. I would really feel valued as a human being.

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    5. Re:This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, the only people who should have a problem with this are people who are trying to coast through their job and fly under the radar. Those of us who give 110% each and every day have nothing to worry about because we'll always be at the leading edge of the curve.

      Aren't you a good little worker bee! Maybe you'll get an extra % in your raise while your boss gets a 6 figure bonus.

    6. Re:This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The only way to get to 110% is 25% mon-thr and 10% on fri.

      People that talk about 110% minimize how hard it is to get anywhere near 100% and stay there. I hate them all. God damn peewee football coaches.

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    7. Re:This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL. You're young aren't you because that is the most naive thing I have heard in a long time. If hard work would save jobs then manufacturing wouldn't have been shipped overseas. I worked for a very large company that measured everything. They are still rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic there. By all measure their employees are more efficient than ever, they are squeezing more revenue per employee than ever before...and their revenue keeps declining. They are either attempting to gut the company to sell off the assets by forcing out the smart people or they are focusing too much on the spreadsheets. The president of the company is a former accountant so it could go either way. This is the same company that froze hiring, froze wages, lowered benefits, increased benefit cots all because there wasn't enough money, yet paid $10 million for a former exec to leave the company...and this was on top of his non-monetary compensation. So no..it's not just the coasters my friend. You don't matter. In all likelihood they would fire you for getting sick or having children if they could.

    8. Re:This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Hahahahahahahaha! Ah, the naivety of people thinking they are smart. The slackers will be the only ones with the time to spoof the metrics, so they will look like model employees. Others, not so much. Reminds me of the guy that outsourced his job to India.

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    9. Re:This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by gweihir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      99.9999999% of organizations will choose to measure something more concrete in hopes that it will be a reasonable proxy for productivity. It won't be.

      And that is the real problem. There is no known way to overcome it. But MBA bean-counters that lack any understanding of reality will go for metrics every time, regardless of how misleading they are, because these cretins are unable to do anything else.

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    10. Re:This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *I* pay *YOU*. Your SALARY is how I show you your value. Beyond that it is *not my job* to coddle you and deal with your emotional problems. If you don't feel valued as a human being, that is YOUR problem.

      If you want a job where your boss gives you a hug every day, that's fine. Go look for it, because you will not find it here.

    11. Re: This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *I* receive a paycheck from *YOU*. I don't like you because you are a horrible turd of a boss and as such I will make sure to do exactly what you ask and no further. I will not give you more than 100% every day and I will look forward to the day when I leave you in the lurch with a two week notice after becoming your most valuable, dependable, reliable employee that hits every metric you demand, because you did nothing to earn my loyalty or trust. Doing this will subject you to HR costs of finding and training a new employee--the quality of whom is in question, figuring out how to cope with the loss of tribal knowledge, and making you look bad to your superiors (if you are a manager) or causing you extra angst and grief in your personal life if you are a business owner, which will negatively impact your already-scant family life.

    12. Re: This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course. I will get rid of you and replace you with someone cheaper long before you become so important that your loss would hurt the bottom line. And anyway I don't believe for a minute that earning your loyalty is possible. The moment you get an offer that is good enough to justify the upheaval of switching jobs, you will be gone. So I am not bothering.

      I harvest your skills to make money. That's all you are to me.

    13. Re: This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Depends on your definition of "cheaper". Few bean counters seem to care about opportunity costs.

    14. Re:This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by ExEm2SS · · Score: 1

      Please tell me what your company is, so I don't ever mistakenly apply there. You sound like a major a$$hole.

    15. Re: This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by sjames · · Score: 1

      Your workplace will rapidly fill with nothing but the deadwood who couldn't get a job anywhere else. If someone decent accidentally goes to work for you, he'll be gone as soon as his resume finishes printing.

    16. Re:This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I work because earning money funds a lifestyle I enjoy.

      That's the reason I work. That's not the reason I take a given job.

      I took my current job because it interests me, it's fun, it offers me a challenge I can enjoy, I get to work with intelligent passionate people, I can choose my own hours, I can largely choose my own tasks, I manage my own time and when I want to, I can work from home and cuddle my cats while I work.

      So no, I don't need a job where my boss gives me a hug every day, but I sure as shit don't work for the pitiful salary I earn.

      You want productivity, you'd better give me the working environment that encourages it. Don't like that? Go hire some muppet with no brain.

    17. Re:This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      *I* pay *YOU*. Your SALARY is how I show you your value. Beyond that it is *not my job* to coddle you and deal with your emotional problems. If you don't feel valued as a human being, that is YOUR problem.

      If you want a job where your boss gives you a hug every day, that's fine. Go look for it, because you will not find it here.

      LOL! Don't worry, with an attitude like yours I won't be applying for your open position.

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    18. Re:This sounds like a problem only for slackers. by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      So, if I have nothing to hide I have nothing to fear? Besides, no one gives 110% every day. If they did, they'd be burned out in a year....

      Even giving 90-100% every day will also burn you out but i'd say in a only few months/weeks, you can't be productive always running at full capacity, we're human not computers, this is why we sleep, we need time to stop and take a break and even do something unrelated to work so that we can perform better when we are working (like when trying to solve a problem you're stuck on, it helps to go do something else for 15-20 minutes then come back to it.. seems to give a fresher perspective).

  8. Potentially wrong action for the analysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You shouldn't reduce pay or sack people where possible. Instead you should try to make them more productive where they are struggling. Most people want more pay and to do well (and enjoy their work!).

    By penalising (which is pretty much what the headline admits to) people doing poorly, you're not exactly encouraging them to do better on their own bat. Basically it's threatening people to do better or else, and this is rarely constructive.

    Far better to use the information to target the weak spots and train/help them improve. You end up with happier employees, and as a result a business that works a whole lot better than one where the employees are under the constant 'threat' of performance reviews.

    If I had the option, I would think twice before accepting a position at the kind of company hinted at in the headline.

  9. Data? Statistics? by war4peace · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now wait a second. Management, generally speaking, doesn't understand data. They like to look at a nice Powerpoint slide with people ranked from best to worst. this means that all measures taken relative to workers' productivity get aggregated/coalesced into one, which will most likely be skewed because the aggregation algorithm would never take all variables into consideration.
    Management won't look at 15 metrics per worker and try to understand the data; they want one value and that's it. Not good.

    Consider journalism. You have Worker A and Worker B. You give A an assignment about work effectiveness evolution through history, and B gets to write about Kim Kardashian's choice of panties colors. A writes a 5000 word article, well documented, with references and shit, with a serious title. B writes a 300 word article filled with generic panties pictures with a clickbait title. A gets 300 views, B gets 5 million views. The algorithm generates a value based on efficiency and ROI, and A gets a score of 5/100 while B gets a score of 100/100. You look at the values, fire A and promote B.

    Now you know why most articles out there are about Kim Kardashian and panties. Incidentally, you know why automatically measuring productivity can go tits up very quickly.

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    1. Re:Data? Statistics? by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's a bit simplistic. If the target audience is statistical management types those 300 views could translate to more value for the publication than an article about panties, but it depends on the publication, which is why you don't usually see in-depth scholalry research in the red tops. The red tops and clickbaiters also make much more money than most academic publications but that's their entire purpose. Once the metrics are calibrated correctly quality can indeed be measured and used to improve a publication's offerings.

    2. Re:Data? Statistics? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      If you life off is selling ad impressions, it sounds like the system works perfectly. The goal of a for-profit company is never to deliver you a product or service, that is only a means to an end.

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    3. Re:Data? Statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...can go tits up very quickly.

      Well, you were talking about Kim Kardashian, right?

    4. Re:Data? Statistics? by Moloth · · Score: 2

      I agree with you. From a business point of view Worker B had 1000 moron viewers who clicked on the bait then the ads and generated more money than Worker A's smarter viewers and only clicked on 10 ads. Worker B made more money with less time so he is promoted and this is why we see click bait content everywhere simply because it is more profitable. I like most others here find it awful but this is what the net has become (internet 2 - the search for more money). At least we can recognise click bait and avoid it.

      Incidentally, you know why automatically measuring productivity can go tits up very quickly.

      From smarter viewers point of view, not from a profit / moron perspective. So is there any incentive for good, well researched articles? The only things I can think of is pay walls or the hobbyist who doesn't have a pure profit motive. For ad based revenue you probably want the morons eyeballs.

    5. Re:Data? Statistics? by danmoran · · Score: 1

      "Data-driven decision-making" being all the rage, corporate management asks IT for "metrics" with little or no understanding of how to interpret them. Thus the need for statistically-savvy staff who can interpret the data for management, usually in the form of brightly colored charts and graphs. Which leads me to wonder, where the actual power is in this "data-driven decision-making" process?

    6. Re:Data? Statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This pretty much sums up what happened the Learning Channel, the History Channel, and the rest of cable TV.

      Heck, Popular Mechanics had Olivia Munn on the cover a few months ago.

      It's a race to the bottom for media.

    7. Re:Data? Statistics? by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      If you life off is selling ad impressions, it sounds like the system works perfectly. The goal of a for-profit company is never to deliver you a product or service, that is only a means to an end.

      That gets to the heart of the problem, actually.

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    8. Re:Data? Statistics? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      ...can go tits up very quickly.

      Well, you were talking about Kim Kardashian, right?

      Wouldn't the expression be "arse over tit"?

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    9. Re:Data? Statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Management, generally speaking, doesn't understand data

      And even if they understand the data, most people have a hard time determining what is actionable and even more so wrt what action to take.

      For example, we hired a project manager and bought JIRA with a bunch of expensive reporting add-ons. One year later after spending about $300k total on software and manpower in order to track developer productivity, upper management wasted almost another year discussing metrics, including hours long meetings with all of the developers, then the next year did the exact opposite of what they should have done. JIRA showed that 15% of the developers did almost 90% of the story points. The 85% remaining got free training and certifications. They were rewarded for being bad. The 15% had their training and conference budget revoked so they could spend more time at work.

      Then when we had a deadline twenty months out that was at risk, management canceled all vacations for the 15% until the product was released. In their minds, it was logical. The remaining 85% kepted their 3-4 weeks and were required to use at least two weeks since accounting views accrued vacation as a liability. Imagine working somewhere that the worst people get training, go to conferences, and have two or more weeks of vacation a year while the best people get none of that. About half our best people quit, and we went out of business.

    10. Re: Data? Statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My company did something like that. They didn't allow any vacation time and required longer hours from our best developers. About half quit and the other half negotiated large raises.

    11. Re:Data? Statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately that leads to a market geared toward morons only, and only skews further toward morons. Lowest Common Denominator thinking. We don't do the same with cable TV though (thankfully) and you can still find some niche broadcasting for people that like to watch content and not drool-inducing shit and talkshow smacktalk.

      I have yet to understand the obsession with Kim Kardashian. We're hardwired for this behavior? People stand around water coolers and talk about Kim Kardashian's panties? Why do we have more of an opinion about panties than political affiliation? When did panties trump politics?

    12. Re:Data? Statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      management canceled all vacations for the 15% until the product was released

      As someone that hasn't taken a full week off in over twenty years, you are correct. The best programmers get screwed while management is happy when the bad ones take vacation time. We end-up punishing people for being competent. The company I've worked for for the past sixteen years can't afford to hire help, and I'm the only person that understands our main product. That means I can't take any vacation time and can't be more than a few miles away from our data center at any time. The one time I was more than about fifty miles from the office, the power went out and my coworkers couldn't figure-out how to bypass the automatic transfer switch that quit. My boss, that is in Maui at the moment, told me then that I was never allowed again to leave town. I would have quit on the spot, but it was followed with an offer of a 20% raise.

    13. Re:Data? Statistics? by quintessencesluglord · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but don't doubt for an instant some harebrained MBA type won't champion this as some new paradigm for worker relations (*cough*), which will be lauded by upper management as it effectively washes their hands from, you know, doing their damn job and supervising their employees' work, not to mention any process like this will be gamed by any employee with modicum of disdain.

      And this is particularly damning in instances where strict compliance and careful execution is of utmost importance. Do you really want your surgeon being judged on how many people he can rifle through the operating theatre? Well, too bad, because metrics like these are being employed by hospitals to disastrous effect.

      And as most of these processes are far from integrated, there is a cost to monitoring. I've pointed out to my managers that all the nickle and dime initiatives they've instituted over the years adds about 1.5 hours to the workday, which adds up to a yearly cost of just north of 1 million in labor alone, and by-the-way has anyone checked to see if the benefits are even close to that?

      Ooops!

    14. Re: Data? Statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incompetent people get time off while the best people can never take any time off. That's true in every field, but seems even worse in technology.

    15. Re:Data? Statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the worst people get training, go to conferences, and have two or more weeks of vacation a year while the best people get none of that.

      That happened where I work. I was working on my MBA and two coworkers were working on their masters in Comp Sci that the company was paying for, but stopped because they needed us to work more. For the developers that don't contribute, they still get tuition assistance and time off for classes. The pay is nice since I was able to negotiate a large raise plus the money they were spending in tuition, but going four years without a single day off gets exhausting.

    16. Re:Data? Statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure I would give that up for only a single 20% raise. I've been averaging nearly a 10% year raise for a decade. Still working for the same company since graduation.

    17. Re:Data? Statistics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this is statistical management, based on the viewing history of management at places I've worked the panties win out by a long shot. I'll never forget the poor HR VP who was embarrassed by hardcore porn on his iPad. I mean I get it, dude was on the road a lot.

    18. Re:Data? Statistics? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      So don't do it. Negotiate time off instead of just a payrise.

      It is possible to find a balance.

    19. Re:Data? Statistics? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      So you're a single point of failure, and you don't see that as a problem that needs solving? Train up a co-worker to be able to cover for you, you'll add more value to your company and be able to get some time off.

      Or do you enjoy being the prima donna?

    20. Re:Data? Statistics? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Not to mention it shows the incompetence of the boss. If you've got an employee you really can't get along without, you're setting yourself up for disaster. That employee will be unavailable at some time, for some reason. Given injury or illness, that could be a significant amount of time, and even a healthy young person is vulnerable to those. If the employee goes to another job, you're screwed. In the meantime, the employee can negotiate higher and higher pay.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  10. Nothing to see here... by kschendel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds like a regurgitation of Taylorism and time-and-motion studies, for the digital worker. Will people never learn? You get what you measure, and if you aren't extremely careful, you'll cause dysfunction because the measurement goal isn't aligned with the organizational goal. (It always looks like it should be, but it rarely is.)

    In any case there's nothing new here, just another well-meaning nitwit looking for the magic bullet.

    1. Re:Nothing to see here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Will people never learn?"

      For a lot yep, see the science:

      youtube

    2. Re:Nothing to see here... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Really what we need is feedback. If you gave every employee access to data providing constant and immediate feedback, they would improve by repeating methods which produce the best outcomes. The best steel, the fastest vehicle assembly, the greatest upsell, the happiest customer, the most ad revenue. Combine that with sharing your techniques and knowledge, and you have the growth of technology as a science.

    3. Re:Nothing to see here... by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      It's even worse than that, because workers aren't stupid and they will attempt to make their metrics look good whether or not that produces any actual value. It's a kind of madness where so long as whatever numbers we have decided should look good, we'll believe things are actually good even if the metrics are unreasonable or simply fabrications (see the VW fiasco).

      It's not just companies that do this either. It also occurs in police forces where there's a pressure to have good numbers so cops misreport crimes so that things look good.

      It's obvious that some employees are more productive or add more value than others, but a simple metric system isn't going to capture that and will just end up being counter-productive as people find it's easier to game the system.

    4. Re:Nothing to see here... by JeffOwl · · Score: 1

      Oblig: I'm going to go code myself a new minivan

  11. Activity or productivity by DarkOx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    statistical analysis of large data sets makes it increasingly easy to evaluate individual productivity, even if the employer has a fairly noisy data set about what is going on in the workplace.

    This is only true if you know what to measure. Otherwise you are measuring activity. For example one programmer may type out lots of quick lines to empirically discover the format of a string a library returns for a given inputs, another might go directly to the documentation. One will press more keys, but which is more productive? I don't think you can always expect the correct answer if the statistic you use is average key presses per hour.

    If someones job is to paint unpainted widgets in bin A and paint them and put them in bin B, that we can pretty accurately measure their productivity by determine how many widgets are in bin B each day and comparing them with others who do the same work, or can we? What about the defect rate? Measuring is hard, knowing what to measure is harder.

    How do measure the productivity of a corporate staff attorney? What about route / switch admin? Is one who puts in more change requests more productive or does that just mean (s)he fails to plan ahead?

    Be careful what you measure you will probably get favorable results, but its the side effects that will hurt you.

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    1. Re:Activity or productivity by bigpat · · Score: 2

      If someones job is to paint unpainted widgets in bin A and paint them and put them in bin B, that we can pretty accurately measure their productivity by determine how many widgets are in bin B each day and comparing them with others who do the same work, or can we? What about the defect rate?

      I've seen this work out (or not) first hand. You can't just pay (or evaluate performance) on one metric. But usually you can figure out some formula that can measure performance. Lines of code is never the metric in software (actually it is the opposite as software that has more lines per unit of functionality is slower). That is like paying your house builder based on the number of nails they hammer or the amount of wood they use. Neither is the number of unique graphics generated in graphic design a good metric, since generating more of anything of lower quality is going to make for dissatisfied customers as you are forcing them to sift through all the junk. For anything the trick is making sure there are checks in place to ensure quality without increasing cost substantially. You have to know your product and what makes for a quality product and tailor your production process to that. Doesn't mean it can't be done, but micromanaging merely one part of the entire process while neglecting other parts usually leads to poor outcomes.

    2. Re:Activity or productivity by nbauman · · Score: 4, Funny

      You have to know your product and what makes for a quality product and tailor your production process to that.

      The cult of management says that a good manager can manage anything -- and doesn't even have to understand the product. So the top manager of a potato chip company can move in and run a computer chip company.

      Or the top manager of a computer company can reform the education system.

    3. Re:Activity or productivity by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 1

      I heard someone propose that software engineers in an Agile environment could be measured by "number of user stories marked finished AND accepted by testers", on the assumption that the software engineers were not allowed to write the user stories in the first place. It's an approach that seems questionable to me, but it was the first proposal I'd heard that seemed tied to the results of the programming instead of to the activity of the programming (i.e. you would be rewarded for finishing a user story in less code and less time instead of more code/more time). The theory was that different size user stories would average out over time so that over the course of a year or so everyone on the team would work on some big stories and some small but the results at the end would be comparable.

      Has anyone ever worked in an environment like that? If so, what's it like?

    4. Re:Activity or productivity by Bengie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's a step in the right direction, but it still doesn't measure quality very much. Design of the code is also very important. How easy is the code to maintain, extend, refactor, re-use? Does it interact in negative ways with other code? What happens when you push it to its limits? What scaling does it have? What are its failure cases and how does it handle them? How intuitive is the code? Is it written in a way that makes it difficult to use it incorrectly while being simple to use correctly or in new ways that could also be correct?

    5. Re:Activity or productivity by Khomar · · Score: 1

      It also removes some of the intangible elements of human interaction. Someone may not be as "productive" directly, but they are very good at helping others get their jobs done more effectively -- either through mentoring, improving morale, etc. When we start putting numbers on people instead of thinking of them as actual people with personalities, we lose the real value of the person and interactions of a team. Metrics can be helpful, but they must be kept in context.

      --

      I believe in de-evolution. God made the world perfect, man fell, and its been going downhill ever since!

    6. Re:Activity or productivity by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      'User story' is just agile for bug? They have Dilbert strips about that.

      I'm going to code me a new mini-van...

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    7. Re:Activity or productivity by bigpat · · Score: 1

      The cult of management says that a good manager can manage anything -- and doesn't even have to understand the product. So the top manager of a potato chip company can move in and run a computer chip company.

      Or the top manager of a computer company can reform the education system.

      For a well established company where a manager is there to just keep things going the way they are going, then the warm body manager mentality is probably a correct assessment. In that case, management doesn't need to know the product, they just keep things going the way they are going. There are many such niche products where there is pretty much one way of doing things and you don't need to change what you are doing. Of course then managers tend to assess performance based on irrelevant things since they don't know what is relevant. Best to simply give everyone the same cost of living increases at that point and only penalize glaringly bad performance.

      If you need process improvement, innovation, a company that can adapt to a changing market conditions then you need everyone from the top down to understand the products they are making and the people they are selling to and ignorance by anyone in that chain is a serious weakness.

    8. Re:Activity or productivity by RatherBeAnonymous · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It also doesn't capture the difficulty of the work. Some people gravitate towards tough or time consuming problems while others will tick off large quantities of easy tasks.

    9. Re:Activity or productivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The cult of management says that a good manager can manage anything -- and doesn't even have to understand the product. So the top manager of a potato chip company can move in and run a computer chip company.

      Or the top manager of a computer company can reform the education system.

      For a well established company where a manager is there to just keep things going the way they are going, then the warm body manager mentality is probably a correct assessment. In that case, management doesn't need to know the product, they just keep things going the way they are going. There are many such niche products where there is pretty much one way of doing things and you don't need to change what you are doing. Of course then managers tend to assess performance based on irrelevant things since they don't know what is relevant. Best to simply give everyone the same cost of living increases at that point and only penalize glaringly bad performance.

      If you need process improvement, innovation, a company that can adapt to a changing market conditions then you need everyone from the top down to understand the products they are making and the people they are selling to and ignorance by anyone in that chain is a serious weakness.

      Show me an environment that doesn't change. Time marches on immortal, and there isn't such a thing as a static environment.

      Which means that there are no scenarios where the warm body manager is appropriate. Instead what we have is a school designed to teach management, but not designed to teach domain. You get managers with a lot of techniques but little domain knowledge of what they manage. To "fix" this many proudly state that domain knowledge is unnecessary.

      Certainly all the knowledge in a domain is not necessary to manage the domain, but likewise no domain knowledge is again inappropriate for someone attempting to manage within a domain.

      And if you think differently, just wait till your competitor uses their "skilled" manager to deliver while you're manager is complaining about X, Y, and Z.

      Here's a hint, if the manager diverts, aka "inaccurate estimates", "new requirements / features", etc. Then offer a choice of demotion or termination. It's a manager's job to be prepared, not the employees job to tell the manager how to prepare, or do the preparation for the manager.

    10. Re:Activity or productivity by chooks · · Score: 1

      Where I am at you get points (with bonus $$$ allocated on a per-point basis) for being "a good citizen" -- e.g. organizing material for collaboration, putting a subject-based website together, etc.... In general, they are things that don't have a direct correspondence with a particular "mission goal" (or part of your job description) but it helps everyone do their work better/stronger/faster.

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      -- The Genesis project? What's that?
  12. Who came up with that bullshit line? by damn_registrars · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the pay gap between those who make more and those who make less grows

    That line clearly comes from someone supporting the insane wages of top executives in this country under the illusion that they are actually productive. They rarely make anything in terms of actual productivity - they are paid a lot primarily in reward for being well-connected.

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    Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
    1. Re:Who came up with that bullshit line? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A good executive is worth a lot to a company. Not all highly paid executives are good, but the ones who are good are worth what they are paid.

    2. Re:Who came up with that bullshit line? by swb · · Score: 1

      I took the opposite message from the TFSummary, although maybe that's my reading and not the author questioning the tactic.

      It will happen, because management believes these are the more valuable employees and will pay them more and will devalue other employees and pay them less -- probably sneaking in an overall net pay cut while they're at it, since they can pay the devalued employees less than they increase the pay of valued employees.

      My assumption is that this would ultimately backfire because they would end up developing less talent overall, discouraging workers they should encourage and ultimately overburdening workers they overvalue. Not to mention the relentless gaming of any measurement system by all parties that erodes whatever value it might have.

    3. Re:Who came up with that bullshit line? by nbauman · · Score: 1

      the pay gap between those who make more and those who make less grows

      That line clearly comes from someone supporting the insane wages of top executives in this country under the illusion that they are actually productive. They rarely make anything in terms of actual productivity - they are paid a lot primarily in reward for being well-connected.

      There is an entire publishing industry devoted to fawning over highly-compensated top executives and telling them that they are the geniuses who are responsible for all of America's accomplishments and can solve any problem.

    4. Re:Who came up with that bullshit line? by tbannist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not to mention the relentless gaming of any measurement system by all parties that erodes whatever value it might have.

      I have an illustrative anecdote:

      A company that I used to worked for, decided to have a bug fixing contest. They decided that they would pay a bonus to their software developers for every bug they fixed so they could lower the defect rate on their software. At first the project seemed to be a roaring success, the number of fixed bugs climbed quickly, however, the budget for the bonuses ran out only a few weeks after the contest started. An examination of the payouts quickly raised suspicion among some of the managers running it. The numbers showed that some of the testers were finding more than 10 times the number of bugs that they used to find, while others were finding the exact same number. It didn't make sense because they weren't paying any bonuses to the testers. A short investigation revealed that some of the developers were deliberately including bugs in the code before they released their work to testing, some went so far as to tell their selected tester what and where the bug was, and then splitting the bug bounty with the tester who sent the bug back to them to fix. Of course, the developers and testers who were caught collaborating were all fired. However, the fake bug fixing displaced real testing work, and fewer real bugs were fixed during the contest, and the company had to recruit new people to replace the people they fired, so the defect rate went up because normal testing was displaced, some of the deliberate bugs actually made it through testing, and the new developers and new testers who replaced the people fired were not as familiar with the product and more problems slipped through while they were settling in to their new duties.

      The moral, is that when money is involved it will not take long for people to figure out how to game the system, and quite possibly achieve the exact opposite of what they were supposed to being doing.

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      Fanatically anti-fanatical
    5. Re:Who came up with that bullshit line? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You overlooked the likely impact to morale. If the guy in the next desk makes more money than I do because he's deliberately doing his job badly, that makes me care less about doing my job well. It also means that I'm likely to pay less attention to getting things right, because not getting things right is the way to extra money. Developers are smart (if not necessarily wise), and will pick up on these things.

      Also, canceling a bonus program early because of bad actors isn't going to help the morale of people who were expecting to get more money, but weren't going to cheat.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  13. Single metric by Bengie · · Score: 1

    So they've figured out how to measure how well something works. This is fine for products where the outcome can be measured with natural numbers. What about products where they can have negative value even when they do work? If I improperly write code that works well when it works, but fails in unknown ways, then my product has a negative value when compared to another product the solves the same problems, but in a way where it fails in predictable ways and can be quickly fixed.

    1. Re:Single metric by nbauman · · Score: 1

      So they've figured out how to measure how well something works. This is fine for products where the outcome can be measured with natural numbers. What about products where they can have negative value even when they do work? If I improperly write code that works well when it works, but fails in unknown ways, then my product has a negative value when compared to another product the solves the same problems, but in a way where it fails in predictable ways and can be quickly fixed.

      What if you're a cop and you arrest a lot of people for jaywalking? That's what happened when New York City went over to Comstat.

    2. Re:Single metric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you stop jaywalking. Or make the law more specific. Don't bring laws into a productivity discussion. >. Frivolous laws should be enforced so that they get the attention necessary to force people to fix them or get rid of them.

    3. Re:Single metric by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      What if you're a cop and you arrest a lot of people for jaywalking?

      Then you come to the realization that some of your laws are written stupidly. Any law we wouldn't want 100% enforcement of needs to be re-written or gotten rid of.

  14. not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sadly is not new news. It has always been the case of bean counters trying to measure things that they have limited insight into. People, under fear, produce the beans that are counted and let value be damned. The unintended consequence is that worker productivity follows myopic MBA guidance and not seasoned knowledge.
    Now get off my lawn and stop destroying process knowledge with your new fangled notion of measuring things without understanding the "what" let alone the "why".

  15. you get what you measure for by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    hope they're looking at the right metrics.
    The SNAFU principle reigns supreme here.

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  16. That has always been the case by tomhath · · Score: 1

    Yellow Journalism is as old as journalism itself. One of my favorite examples of it was in Dan Rather's autobiography where he describes his early years in local TV reporting; when the day's news was boring they tossed in a "fuzz and wuz" story - police racing to the scene to the crime (the fuzz) and the body laying on the sidewalk (the wuz). The internet hasn't changed anything there.

    1. Re:That has always been the case by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      Rather has a better example from his last year in reporting. But he doesn't want to talk about that.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    2. Re:That has always been the case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Talk about something else? You might say Dan would...

      *Sunglasses*

      Rather.
      YEAH!!!

    3. Re:That has always been the case by ultranova · · Score: 2

      The internet hasn't changed anything there.

      Sure it has: I can get my fuzz and wuz for free there. So if all you have to offer is scandals, propaganda and yesterday's news, you have nothing worth paying for.

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      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

  17. Just disable javascript already! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Today a digital media company knows exactly how many people are reading which articles for how long [...]

    That's why I disable Javascript and all that client-side executable nonsense. It's none of the business of the web site owner what I do when.

    No ad-blocking (but with today's idiotic advertisers, who only know how to advertise in one huge fat Javascript framework, the effect is like a nuclear adblock: hey, other people's stupidity ain't my problem), no noscript -- just down-to-earth no fucking active content. Get the document, done. Get the next one, done. No micro-managing of my behviour (click numbers should be more than enough, and if a proxy muddies that a bit -- too bad).

    Some pages come up blank without Javascript. In rare cases I try to understand why, because I'm mildly interested in the potential content. In most cases I just dust off my virtual sandals and walk on.

    I wish more people did the same.

    The sad thing about it is that the browsers (even those I had considered my allies up to now, like Firefox) support me less and less in this respect: where's my "disable Javascript" checkbox? They're all becoming a funnel rammed down my throat to pour disgusting stuff through it.

  18. I know what's not going to be measured by Coisiche · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A similar assessment of CEOs and other board positions.

    1. Re:I know what's not going to be measured by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's actually not difficult to do. Maltego, R/Python, and Bloomberg.com will tell you everything you need to know(false positives from different individuals with the same name/false negatives from name variation will require some automated data cleanup on subjects of interest to improve accuracy).

      It's almost 100% guarunteed that russian/chinese hackers use similar techniques against CTOs when deciding who to spearfish.

      You mistakenly make the assumption that simply because 1% intelligence operations against the 99% are better publicized, that similar efforts aren't being conducted in the other direction. This is exacerbated by a selection bias where the people who leverage organized methodologies are more likely to be members of the 1% themselves.

  19. Worthless Minutiae by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Worthless minutiae is worthless.

    Totality of product out and dollars in is the only metric that matters. Micromanagement is a waste of time, effort and money.

  20. Agreed, 110%... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've worked alongside top mgt. for decades & found they are overpaid babysitters with VERY LITTLE in the way of REAL skills used in the MOST IMPORTANT PART of business - production of goods & services. Minus that part working well? You CANNOT profit. It'd be IMPOSSIBLE.

    I have the SAME degrees & experience they do (albeit in middle mgt. as to where I actually used it) coupled with CS ontop of it... & I got a FRACTION of their pay, + worked 10x as hard, just to "empower" them to make better more informed decisions based on data we had.

    * Oh, they like to say "We have great responsibility & deserve larger pay for it" well, then how come babysitters get minimum wage (or less)?

    (That's ALL they really are...)

    Look - I run & have run my own business for a long time now - it's NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN RUNNING YOUR OWN PERSONAL FINANCES for Pete's sake! That's "hard"? No, beg to differ!

    * Are they out curing AIDS or cancer? By no means - thus, they don't deserve ANYTHING NEAR what they're being paid... no f'ing way!

    (The stockholders of the world, IF they were more directly concerned with companies (they're not, those stocks they own are just cards in their hand/portfolio, to be bought & sold the same way you pickup cards from a river pile in a cardgame for MOST of them) WOULD SHIT THEIR PANTS if they really REALLY knew not only how much these fools are overpaid, BUT MORESO WITH THEIR OUTRAGEOUS EXPENSE ACCOUNTS to bullshit around all day & then take bribes from other corporate salespeople over $1,000 a plate dinners or golfcourse deals...)

    It is truly, insane... the people who deserve the monies don't get them, & they are the actual PRODUCTIVE or breakthrough making employees.

    (And they wonder WHY the USA is "going down" slowly... they've lost sight of "happy workers are GOOD workers" & when you keep people "fat & happy", compensated properly, they do a GREAT JOB!)

    APK

    P.S.=> I've found the hardest part is DIRECTLY dealing with people/clients, as they're always out to "get one over on you" (naturally, it's their money) - but, other than that? It's NOT that difficult... apk

    1. Re: Agreed, 110%... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the most coherent APK post I've ever seen.

  21. Can they differentiate ... by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... between my typing in the IDE and the Slashdot comments section? Because I may very well be the most productive worker our company has.

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    Have gnu, will travel.
    1. Re:Can they differentiate ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If they can differentiate, just prepare your comments in the IDE and then cut and paste them into /.

    2. Re:Can they differentiate ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 Interesting

    3. Re:Can they differentiate ... by PPH · · Score: 1

      prepare your comments in the IDE and then cut and paste them into /.

      But then I forget to delete them from the IDE. And I get a syntax error:
      In Soviet Russia, illegal statement terminates you!

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      Have gnu, will travel.
  22. Flawed Assumption by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "But there’s another fundamental driver of income inequality: the improved measurement of worker performance. As we get better at measuring who produces what, the pay gap between those who make more and those who make less grows."

    This assumes people who produce more get paid more. This has not been the case for the past 30 years. That's why there is an income inequality. Wages have not kept pace with Productivity. So the issue has nothing to do with measuring productivity. This has to do with companies keeping worker pay low in order to increase dividends and CEO pay, which is a consequence of lower rates. If companies had to reinvest in the company, worker pay would keep pace with productivity.

    1. Re:Flawed Assumption by JeffOwl · · Score: 1

      You (and almost everyone here) miss the point. If you have a budget for a new TV, and find one that meets your requirements at a store for MSRP, but also find out they have it down the street for 20% off, would you still pay full price because that's "fair?" The company isn't going to pay you any more than they have to. If they can hire three cheap employees who each do 80% the work of two highly paid employees for the same total cost, they will. It doesn't matter how much value they bring to the company unless it drops below their cost threshold. (yeah yeah, take into account replacement costs, quality of work, public relations, etc...)

    2. Re:Flawed Assumption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The company isn't going to pay you any more than they have to.

      I'm pretty sure most companies could find someone willing to be CEO for minimum wage. So why aren't CEOs paid minimum wage? In practice, some guy has some friends on the board of directors who say "Let's hire this guy to be CEO and pay him $30 million". It's certainly plausible that an oversupply of labor hurts wages. But if that's all it is then you have to explain why the oversupply is only hurting wages at the lower end.

    3. Re:Flawed Assumption by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If the company has no loyalty to the workers, the workers will have no loyalty to the company. They'll fake it, because it's expected, but if the company ever needs something extra it won't get it.

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  23. Slashdot's own karma system by m00sh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Slashdot moderation system used to measure us as a total of karma over all posts to measure the contribution to Slashdot.

    Slashdot had to stop using those because of karma whores.

    Even meaningless numbers are a strong motivators to cheat a system. You have to be very careful about what you do. Improving those metrics will triumph over quality and ethics.

    1. Re:Slashdot's own karma system by Enigma2175 · · Score: 1

      Slashdot moderation system used to measure us as a total of karma over all posts to measure the contribution to Slashdot.

      Slashdot had to stop using those because of karma whores.

      Even meaningless numbers are a strong motivators to cheat a system. You have to be very careful about what you do. Improving those metrics will triumph over quality and ethics.

      They still have the total score, they just don't display it. It is still used to determine your starting post score as well as factoring in how frequently you get mod points (and how many you get).

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    2. Re:Slashdot's own karma system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before actually using any metric to drive management decisions, the proper thing is to answer the following question: In what ways can people "game" this metric, and will that gaming hinder or further our objectives? The answer to that question should guide the decision about which metrics to use.

    3. Re:Slashdot's own karma system by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      From the Stack Overflow Blog:

      It turns out that people will do anything for fake internet points.

    4. Re:Slashdot's own karma system by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but they capped max karma and switched from numeric to textual description.

      I've had "Karma: Excellent" for well over a decade. Fuck knows how close to the cap I am, or whether I've ever been modded down enough to risk dropping to 'Good' or whatever comes next.

  24. Be careful what you measure by m00sh · · Score: 1

    Reminds of an story about car mechanics.

    Maybe it was Sears or it was some other chain store. They decided to measure the value of the mechanics by the dollar value of the business they brought to the company.

    All that ended up doing was making the mechanics cheat customers by asking them for extra repairs.

    Same thing with the Detroit police department. They used homicide rate as a measure of effectiveness. The police started to classify homicides as suicides and accidents to make the metric look better.

    The moral of the story is that for a lot of people, metrics are more powerful than ethics. They will cheat to get better metrics, even in times when those metrics are meaningless.

    1. Re:Be careful what you measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely, one past employer used to measure value by who worked the longest hours. More than a few devs figured out how to pad their workday with virtually nothing.

      So what most people do in 4 hours they were doing in 8-10 hours, and getting rewarded for it.

      We also had people that would intentionally break things and then "go above and beyond" to "fix" them, again with rewards.

      Later when I moved on to consulting we were competing against two other firms for successful internal releases to the same large client, we would have 2 releases a month while our competitors would have sometimes dozens of tiny releases, we found out that this was because of the release success metric was strictly percentage based. So if you fail 1 of 2 releases that's 50% to you (regardless of importance of release, etc) BUT if you had 45 releases and failed 1 your failure percentage was way lower. Nevermind that the impact of both those failures were equivalent!

      If you want dysfunction simply add a dysfunctional metric.

    2. Re:Be careful what you measure by Notorious+G · · Score: 1

      I'm in sales (former programmer and IT consultant). My current employer measures phone calls as a way to track our performance. Sales have been flat for years but we see more and more phone calls being logged into the CRM. All these phones calls produced no extra benefit. Management response, break down calls into voice mails/messages and "discussions" (which presumably are higher value). Whoever logs more "discussions" is the better sales puke. Guess what's happening? We are suddenly logging lots more "discussions" but sales are flat. Obviously the next step is to get rid of the salespeople with the lowest discussion counts and get new ones that log more discussions. Dial, dial, dial, like a trained monkey.

    3. Re:Be careful what you measure by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Same thing with the Detroit police department. They used homicide rate as a measure of effectiveness. The police started to classify homicides as suicides and accidents to make the metric look better.

      I thought you were going to say they had a target, and if they didn't reach it they'd go out and shoot a couple of random passers by.

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  25. It literally is by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    And yes I know what literally means. Fox News was called on their overwhelming right wing bias and successfully argued before a judge that the were an entertainment network and so laws governing equal time didn't apply.

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  26. BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The money goes to those who control the giving out of the money. And not to those who work.

  27. Metrics are rarely accurate by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Case in point.

    I can spend the time to manually type in a few hundred lines of configuration data for a Router / Switch for every device I manage.

    or

    I can spend the time to build an app or program that will effectively build the same configuration for me, guaranteed error free. I need
    only change the unique data for the site which can be done prior to the program launching.

    So, if my employer is tracking how much I type or how many windows I click on in a day*, which of the two above scenarios is the more
    efficient methods of getting a job done ? Because I didn't sit for three days straight and manually configure these systems, then I'm not
    as productive ?

    Heh. I'll say again, metrics are rarely accurate enough to base decisions on by themselves.

    *Which is really easy to fudge with a simple script or program.

    1. Re:Metrics are rarely accurate by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      So, if my employer is tracking how much I type or how many windows I click on in a day*, which of the two above scenarios is the more efficient methods of getting a job done ? Because I didn't sit for three days straight and manually configure these systems, then I'm not as productive ?

      Heh. I'll say again, metrics are rarely accurate enough to base decisions on by themselves.

      Reminds me of a summer job I had briefly back in the 90s at a now-defunct cell phone company. I was working the collections department, which was a disaster when I got there. They were losing huge amounts of money from people with delinquent accounts, people who hadn't paid but still using huge amounts of service, and most of them would ultimately be sent off to 3rd-party collections agencies, where the bills were unlikely to ever be paid. Fraud was a huge problem too.

      I came in and did my best with what they gave me. I optimized my computer setup in various ways so I could handle accounts more quickly and efficiently. When my boss came over one day to monitor some of my calls, she asked "Wait.. how did you just do that?" and pretty soon my setup became standard for most of the workers in the entire department. I did various other things that caused my boss's boss's boss to come down and thank me personally one day.

      Anyhow, they put me on very delinquent accounts (mostly 90 days or more). I mostly was shutting people off and sending stuff out to collections (as well as cleaning up "messes" left by other workers who didn't handle the accounts properly when they were less delinquent). Soon the word came down that I wasn't "bringing in enough money" compared to other people. It didn't matter that I was hugely efficient and handling 3 times the account volume of other workers -- because I was stuck with accounts that were set out to 3rd-party collections, it looked like I wasn't bringing in money.

      (Oh, and they completely ignored the cell phone fraud ring I uncovered that resulted in a several dozen bogus accounts being shut down.)

      My "metrics" weren't showing up on their spreadsheets, even though I was probably the most productive person in the department. The final straw came when they introduced a policy that we had to "log in" to our phones while we were at our desks. As I later discovered, this was obviously to monitor breaks and such (even though many workers "forgot" to log out).

      One day I decided to skip my half-hour lunch break and work through it, but I took an 18-minute afternoon break, instead of my allowed 10 minutes. (Thus, overall, I gave them 22 minutes of extra work that day.) I ended up at the top of some company-wide list of "delinquent" workers who took excessively long breaks that was sent out to supervisors the next day.

      When my boss told me this, I told her I'd be packing up my things. She started to cry, since I was one of the few people there actually holding the place together.

      I had a friend who continued to work there. Within 3 months, the entire collections department was outsourced to a 3rd-party company... destroyed mostly through management using incomplete metrics and making inappropriate decisions using them.

  28. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't read most of what is on the Internet.. But I'm working on it!

  29. Every monitoring system will be gamed! by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

    I've worked in call centers, and done IT work for call centers. If you think you're being tracked at work, and you don't work in a call center, you shouldn't complain. :-) Seriously, I can't think of a more soul-crushing work environment. Every single customer interaction is timed, recorded, and used to rate performance. Some call centers make their employees ask if they can go to the bathroom, like they're back in school. And call centers are usually supervised by the worst micromanagers. Some of this is because the employees aren't exactly high level and will goof off otherwise, but a lot of the monitoring is done simply because they can, and they will use it to control every last aspect of a worker's job.

    The problem with this is that the same kind of monitoring is trickling into "knowledge worker" territory. Companies hate paying high salaries, and a lot of them are very insecure, trying to make sure every single minute in the office is a productive one. I only expect this to get worse as the Milennial generation takes over, because they're used to things like gamification and "quantified self" kinds of monitoring. These technologies aren't inherently bad, but they can end up being used for purposes that people don't exactly think of. Take an example of a company giving away a health-related app or something to employees, and using it to track movement in the guise of lowering insurance costs. It's fine right up until the point it isn't...

    1. Re:Every monitoring system will be gamed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to work in an advanced technical support call center. A few others and myself were the people helping everybody out. One day, a manager got a hair up his ass and decided to go on a power trip, telling us we were lucky to have jobs and that we needed to increase our calls taken. That didn't go over so well, and we all decided to go on break simultaneously (the others and myself.)

      He chilled out and came to his senses and apologized.

      This worked because 1) we were not immediately replaceable and 2) overbearing upper management made the push.

      The time to train and learn everything for an average employee was 6 months, minimum.

      Lessons?

      Become invaluable (Or expensive to replace) and grab your source of power.

      If you can't do that, become the person people like and lower overall productivity via socializing, joke telling and small, funny things that people enjoy. This is also considered general office antics, but people can easily take them too far.

      Combine both of the above points.

      Only part of my post is serious.

      I am a millennial, for the record, and I absolutely despise the monitoring trends, not because I'm not used to it, or ignorant, but because I know the overall societal costs of doing such a thing can be expensive. The more monitoring at work = the more acceptable overbearing monitoring becomes in public/at home = people becoming numbers in all aspects of their lives and being less and less individual which equals a horrible environment that makes living un-fun.

      A purposefully over-broad generalization, but it is not wrong. If a management specialist can swoop in and prove me wrong, so be it. Nobody, except the shareholders, gains when productivity is increased beyond the general acceptable point in humans.

      We are walking into a time where the shareholder holds too much power and appeasing their needs is going to result in shoddy work by unhappy people and unsustainable growth that will lead to..........

      a bubble.

      But, you know, nobody sees a bubble coming, except everybody, until it's there. Then everybody that gains plays ignorant "omg i never thought..." and everybody who (directly) lost is sour and whiney and starts screaming about the irresponsibility of the people who gained whilst being a participant.

      I rambled. But really, the moral of the story is life is going to continue to suck until people stop wringing money out of the mass of people. Once the realization.. No, once they stop being able to wring money out of people, the metrics will stop. They already know it's unsustainable growth and nobody really cares because they're getting theirs and walking away.

    2. Re:Every monitoring system will be gamed! by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      Become invaluable

      No one is invaluable in a company, unless it's a one-man entrepreneurial band type of set up.

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    3. Re:Every monitoring system will be gamed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Or expensive to replace)

    4. Re:Every monitoring system will be gamed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My co-worker was pulled in on a problem where a service wasn't working for several hours. They already had the network admin, system's architect, lead engineer, and the engineer who wrote the service trying to debug the issue. They had the source code and all of the tools and could not figure out the issue. My co-worker got dragged in because he is know to do "magic". 30 minutes later, he was able to infer what the issue was with nothing more than Firefox and some addons to give more debug information.

      Armed with nothing more than a web browser and a brief description of what the service does and how it works, he was able to solve the issue that plagued several of the more senior people and the person who wrote it. Mind you, the people in our company are already better than most other companies. Microsoft and Google have a contract with us for us to help them.

      Specialists are only good at what they know, but many complex issues cross many boundaries of knowledge. We never work in groups because we're too valuable to have shackled down by others. It's not that we don't work well as a team, it's because most other people can't keep up with us. We both have a wide range of theory and understanding, which has given us a nearly infallible track record of "shit just works". Nearly every failure case is taken into account and thoroughly discussed prior to implementation, and the implementation is done in a way to make certain everything works as expected.

      Technically we both do some group work in that we bring our mostly completed ideas to each other for a critical view and possible ideas.

  30. superstar journalists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "while the superstar journalists attract more Web traffic and become their own global brands."

    "journalist"I do not think that word means what you think it means.

  31. measuring machines by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    some of us know how to build, configure, maintain and customize those measuring systems. we're not worried about our jobs, our salaries go ever upward. sucks to be the rest of you....

  32. Bullshit by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    We have known for hundreds of years that measuring work only serves to get people to game the system. This has been happening in computer science for decades, and it is a well known fact that their is no perfect algorithm that actually measures the value of someones work. Instead we are left counting lines written, and creating loads of problems and reducing actual productivity.

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  33. False assumption by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Tyler Cowen writes in MIT Technology Review that the improved measurement of worker performance through information technology is beginning to allow employers to measure value fairly precisely

    Your value has nothing to do with anything your employer can measure.

    This is how we got to be such a sick culture, by thinking that the profits we can generate for our employer equals our value. And if your employer valued the "value" of an employee, how many CEOs would be making 8-digit salaries with golden parachutes and stock options?

    IT has become just another tool of control.

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    1. Re:False assumption by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but they're using the word "value" purely in the financial sense, not as a measure of your worth as a human being or anything.

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    2. Re:False assumption by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Agreed, but they're using the word "value" purely in the financial sense, not as a measure of your worth as a human being or anything.

      Of course they are. It's how you use language as a tool of control. Notice also that the same word is used for "loyalty" to a company and loyalty to a family or creed.

      We have been conditioned to see ourselves in terms of our value to the ownership class.

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    3. Re:False assumption by tomhath · · Score: 1

      We have been conditioned to see ourselves in terms of our value to the ownership class.

      Most of us have been conditioned to understand that the same word can have different meanings in different contexts.

    4. Re:False assumption by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Most of us have been conditioned to understand that the same word can have different meanings in different contexts.

      If that were true, then phrases such as "Pro-Life" and "Freedom of Choice" wouldn't be so effective on the masses.

      No, highly charged words cross a threshold that most people don't even realize exists. Marketing relies on this phenomenon. I would dare say that even people who expect it, like you and me, are susceptible. In fact, our willingness to believe that we are impervious to this effect might even make us more susceptible.

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    5. Re:False assumption by neminem · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with using "loyalty" to a company? Loyalty just means the chance that you'll go out of your way to use them, vs. the chance you'll ditch them for a competitor at the first chance. There are plenty of companies I feel "loyal" to, because they've done things to make me value the services the provide, like provide consistently good customer service, or uniquely quality offerings, or the best prices, etc.

      (The funny thing is, the companies always *asking* for our loyalty are never remotely the ones in that category, they're always ones offering completely generic service exactly the same as what their competitors provide.)

      I have no problem with a company using "value" to describe the amount of money an employee makes for them, either - that *is* your value to the company. I have a problem with a company *incorrectly* calculating an employee's value, like "if you work in internal IT, you have negative value because you're earning a paycheck but not directly making the company money", or "your work can be directly boiled down to the amount of source code you provide", because those are *factually incorrect*. Value is often difficult to quantify, and depends wildly on the company and position, but that doesn't make it a flawed use of the word.

    6. Re:False assumption by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with using "loyalty" to a company? Loyalty just means the chance that you'll go out of your way to use them, vs. the chance you'll ditch them for a competitor at the first chance.

      I'm going to explain to you why that's baloney. "Loyalty" to a company means you'll buy their products because their products have been good so far. If that company sells you a bad product, you'll think about using a different company. If they sell you two bad products, you may never use them again. How many bad iPhones would it take for you to buy an Android smartphone?

      Loyalty to your family means that if your brother falls down, you'll pick him up. And if he falls down again, you'll pick him up again. And again, and again. You don't turn your back when you are loyal to your family.

      Same word. Doesn't mean anything like the same thing.

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    7. Re:False assumption by neminem · · Score: 1

      Screw that. It means *exactly* the same thing. If my hypothetical brother needs money, I'll give him money, cause he's my brother. If my brother takes that money and blows it, maybe I'll do it again, because he made a mistake and really needs the money. If my brother takes that money and blows it also, and keeps doing it, then screw him, he's on his own, you only get so many shots.

      Family only goes so far - it's an immediately loyalty bonus, but still, loyalty has to go both ways, and it has to be maintained. I know some people are like, family above all else, even if they're wrong, even if they're taking advantage, and we call those people: suckers.

    8. Re:False assumption by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Family only goes so far

      So I guess for you, loyalty to a company that sells you a smartphone and loyalty to your family really are the same thing.

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  34. The solution is smaller organizations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The solution is that you need to decrease the size of the organizational unit. I work for a fairly small company, everyone has a pretty good idea of how much I personally contribute. They may not know how to value what I do, but they know how much and see the results of what I do. If someone in the tribe doesn't contribute for non-cyclical reasons (illness is a cyclical reason) they are exposed very easily and eventually exiled or they choose to leave.

    In larger companies you either work in an independent skunkworks that looks and works like a small organizational unit as above or no one has a clue and so they use these magic metrics - short answer, they guess.

    Make the size of the tribe smaller and more independent and evolved human factors can come into play and help solve these issues. Think analogy between free market and economics as it applies to human psychology / sociology. (and probably as much bunk in edge cases)

    1. Re:The solution is smaller organizations by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Not universal. In many smaller organizations the only metric that matters is 'part of family?' or 'boss drinks with you?'

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  35. Reinforcing self dellusion by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    The basic problem with measuring performance is once there is a specific technical objective function for success established people will work to achieve it in any way possible regardless of whether it is ultimately in the best interests of the company or anyone else. Workers have more incentive, time and energy to find ways to game the system than its designers.

    To use TFA's example the result of ratings oriented journalism is apparent to everyone. The media has transformed itself into little more than a professional trolling organization. What is news are stories that push peoples buttons and stoke maximal controversy. They will say, show or print anything for ratings regardless of its information value or relationship to reality. The result is like watching the history channel to learn about history. Few interested in obtaining objectively useful information are willing to bother translating media nonsense into reality.

  36. at this one office. by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Well, I generally come in at least fifteen minutes late, ah, I use the side door - that way Lumbergh can't see me, heh heh - and, uh, after that I just sorta space out for about an hour.

    Yeah, I just stare at my desk; but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch, too. I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work.

  37. perceived value... not actual. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My workplace measure the shit out of us so we have to cheat to get any work done. Gaming any statistics beforehand when you are the one how is or are in charge of entering the data is a piece of cake. Keep enjoying your bonus based on our fake data!

  38. No they don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Today a digital media company knows exactly how many people are reading which articles for how long"

    That's the biggest bullshit I've read today. If only companies knew how much of their traffic was bots. I'd wager to guess over 50%.

  39. Summary better than TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Outside the journalist example, TFA is vague about specific metrics and how they're used to boost wage discrepancy. It also fails to note that HR typically keeps wages among the peasants within defined bands. It's only in management where the real discrepancies begin and we know how effective those "metrics" are.

  40. Race to the bottom by jenningsthecat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FTA: "The result is that many journalists turn out to be not so valuable at all. Their wages fall or they lose their jobs, while the superstar journalists attract more Web traffic and become their own global brands."

    So at least in journalism, only the most popular will have a subsidized voice, and the rest will have to pay their own way if they want to share their insights. Since when is popularity the ultimate measure of value in a society, especially when it comes to news? Sometimes people really need to hear the stuff that's scary, uncomfortable, guilt-inducing, etc., even though it's not popular. If we continue down this road then I hope everyone enjoys having Fox-style reporting as the only available news source.

    Yes, I realize I've used a 'reductio ad absurdum' argument, but I don't think I've gone very far into absurdity here. It strikes me that in a lot of ways this kind of 'metric' is merely measuring quantity when its purveyors seem to think that it measures quality. Maybe that's because quantity is so much easier to measure. But like a drunk searching for his keys under a streetlight because 'the light's better there', it's probably counterproductive.

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  41. In the field of Statistics... by frank249 · · Score: 2

    ... the N's do justify the means.

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  42. Measuring Ignorance Wont Help by johnwerneken · · Score: 1

    I'm convinced that scientific management is anything but, as it assumes that management understands what is relevant, causes and effects, and employees, none of which is the case.

    For example, I had the highest customer retention, the greatest community support, and the greatest revenue of any one in the tax department, yet I did as I pleased, broke every rule, but always I pursued the bottom line benefit for my employer, my customers, and our citizens, and they knew it in their hearts. But can what I do be measured? Not even by me!

  43. Re:Not pr0n at all, no no no by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I just look at the pictures. Ummm, pictures of cats, yes, that's it. Funny funny cats.

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  44. Physical labor & metrics by Rinikusu · · Score: 2

    Unlike many of my office co-workers, I've done manual/physical labor in warehouses and what not. When I hear about office productivity and reporting, I often wonder just exactly what it is they're measuring because for software development, none of the metrics actually seem to apply. With physical labor, I never felt like I had a moment to breathe. Twenty eight boxes per minute was the standard, the goal, and the basis for all future performance metric evaluations (including raises and bonuses). Clock in. Start. Twenty eight boxes per minute. Small boxes. Big boxes. Heavy boxes. Broken boxes. reach, grab, place. reach, grab, place. No moments to think about life, what I want for dinner, what my professor talked about in my day classes. Box. Box. Box. Box. Box. Box. Twenty eight times per minute (my rate was around 35-40, though. I miss being young, but I don't miss wasting that youth on boxes). As I moved into the "white collar" world, the standards seemed to change. "File X papers/hour. Answer X phone calls per hour." Same sort of goals. I knew exactly where I stood at all times in the grand queue of things.

    As a developer.. It's a completely different world. Lines of Code? Bullshit, everyone knows how to game that. Milestones? Same deal. Half the time we're completing projects in 1/8th the allocated time and browsing the web the rest, the other half we're scrambling because they only allocated 1/8th the time it actually requires to get the job done (Try working for the .gov as a software developer.. Estimates aren't really an art as much as a "what can I say to make the guy in charge of my contract happy?", apparently). Etc. Productivity as a measurement in software development is increasingly idiotic. Whenever I hear "agile" and "scrum" I hear "We're trying to make objective measurements on something that really has no objective measurements because we have to check this box right here that says I have to have objective proof I'm actually working and doing my job!" Bleh.

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    1. Re:Physical labor & metrics by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      This was my job when I was employed at a medical warehouse a few months ago.

      When we moved into a new building in April of last year, a metric system was put into place in the form of a voice picking headset. The headset told us where to go to pick the product, and we responded when the order was completed. Nobody in the company actually told us what the metric was, but we were graded as a daily percentage of how much product we picked an hour. When they told us that 100% is the engineered standard, but any score below 88% was grounds for termination, I knew right away it was time to think about quitting. There's no way I'm working in an environment where a "B" is a failing grade.

      I did hang on for several more months of 12-14 hour shifts, I did finally receive a warning that my score was below 88% and I had two weeks to improve before they sacked me. I quit the same day, then went to the GM and explained exactly why.

      It's also worth pointing out that the metric system was totally broken and they knew it, and they didn't care. Our headset voice recognition didn't work with certain voice types, the volume alternated between silence and screaming for no reason making it difficult to hear the directions, sometimes the headset would hear things and pick product on its own or otherwise screw up orders, and sometimes the system went down for hours at a time, leaving us unable to get any work done at all. Management had a team of IT people who's sole purpose was to collect the numbers at the end of the day and "adjust" them for the printed reports they posted on the corkboard the next day. The numbers were essentially fake.

      The metric basically said almost every employee was failing. Everybody got warnings. I was apparently one of the few who actually took the metric as an insult, and quit to the surprise of my supervisors.

  45. Baloney! by al0ha · · Score: 2

    "Today a digital media company knows exactly how many people are reading which articles for how long.."

    Baloney - the may know roughly, with many factors contributing to X percentage of error, including bots, people that land on a page then are distracted to do something else, thus never actually read the article though they are parked on it, then click away after a few minutes, and myriad other reasons I don't have time to type or can't even conceive of at this moment.

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    Did you ever wake up in the morning, with a Zombie Woof behind your eyes? -- FZ
  46. commentsubjectsaredumb by Falos · · Score: 1

    If you skip ahead through the dominoes, the bottom line of increased surveillance is, ultimately, it allows for further squeezing of the working class. That's really what it boils down to.

    Money gravitates outward from Prolekistan, and will continue as their sole export (labor) increasingly "grows on trees".

    I sincerely don't know how to reverse the process.

  47. personal metrics by Cederic · · Score: 1

    I have a personal metric: Every year I try and find a way for my employer to save more money than they spend on my salary.

    If I can do that, I know that everything else I do that year is free to my employer and my year end review is a lot easier. All I need to do the rest of the year is avoid adding negative value and I'm sorted.

    It's surprisingly easy to hit this metric too. Most companies have a ton of waste.