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On-Chip Liquid Cooling Permits Smaller Devices With No Heatsinks Or Fans

An anonymous reader writes: DARPA-funded research into on-chip liquid cooling has resulted in a field-programmable gate array (FPGA) liquid-cooled device that can operate at 24 degrees Celsius, versus 60 degrees Celsius for an equivalent air-cooled device. The cooling fluid resides only nanometers from the heat it must address, and operates so efficiently as to offer potential to stack CPUs and GPUs using copper columns, as well as dispensing with heat-sinks and fan systems. With those components removed, the system can facilitate far more compact designs than are currently feasible.

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  1. Little Jony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I can hear Jony Ive yell: "thinnnnnner...!!

    1. Re:Little Jony by KatchooNJ · · Score: 1

      I can hear Jony Ive yell: "thinnnnnner...!!

      I thought that was the old hag's line in the Stephen King movie.

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  2. can vs has to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the article states that the tech was add to a standard chip and now the chip - can operate at 24 C vs 60 C for the air cooled.

    Note it a chip that needs to operate at the lower temperature, so this should translate to a performance gain.

    1. Re:can vs has to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the article states that the tech was add to a standard chip and now the chip - can operate at 24 C vs 60 C for the air cooled.

      Note it a chip that needs to operate at the lower temperature, so this should translate to a performance gain.

      Your language that strange to understand it.

    2. Re:can vs has to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not only bad with good words but mediocre with bad words!

    3. Re:can vs has to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He could have said you fuck followed by sheep or cows, so perhaps you should quit while you're ahead or perhaps behind [sheep|cow].

    4. Re:can vs has to by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      I get it. He only missed off an apostrophe and an s from the second word of the second line (it's), and of course capitalization of the first letter of the first line. Dude, don't you understand typo? I'm fluent, I can both read and wrtie it.

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  3. So to get this straight... by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...there still is a form of exterior cooling, it's just now the interface between the case's liquid cooling system interfaces with the IC packaging rather than with an exterior heatsink module that's in contact with the packaging.

    This is not a cooling system integrated into the chip directly without an exterior component.

    I see good and bad. Good, packaging becomes smaller so the processor can fit into smaller cases, and now there's no need for all of the mounting bosses for the traditional heatsink. Bad, the interface between the cooling system and the chip will undoubtedly be more fragile than between a cooling system and a large (relatively speaking) metal heatsink, and if there's a problem in the cooling passages on the chip there is no inexpensive method to replace the cooling portion if it's clogged-up.

    We'll have to see how well this operates in the wild. If a lot of cooling system pressure loss and leaking occurs where the tubing interfaces with the chip then this won't be so good. If it manages to not leak and not plug-up then this could be a nice evolutionary step.

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    1. Re:So to get this straight... by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Dunno... most laptops nowadays have closed-loop cooling, and very few (I daresay statistically next-to-none) come across clogging and/or cooling-fluid corruption issues.

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    2. Re:So to get this straight... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Running outside the chip water cooling previously, I never ran into a problem with clogging, but I can see that with this. The answer is to have filtering of the working fluid before the chip in a replaceable part. You also need a working fluid that discourages biological growth, but that shouldn't be too hard either. I am wondering how they cool the liquid without radiators or fans though.

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    3. Re:So to get this straight... by jandjmh · · Score: 2

      This liquid cooling scheme is just a way to move the heat somewhere, but there still needs to be a heatsink, and fan, and with this liquid method also a fluid pump.

      The advance here is that the working fluid is so close the the chip that the thermal resistance of the package is bypasses, theoretically allow either lower chip temperatures or more power without overheating.

    4. Re:So to get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are a total of ZERO laptops that use closed loop liquid coolers. You're using the wrong term for copper heatpipes. Asus makes a gaming laptop with an external radiator that is an overpriced cooling stand, that connects using compression fittings, which in turn will introduce air bubbles into the system which causes premature pump failure. What this article is discussing seems to be integrating a waterblock into the IHS, which would have been a much nicer summary than the one we got.

    5. Re:So to get this straight... by TWX · · Score: 2

      Makes me wonder if they can take enough heat away to use the chip and convection to power the circulation process passively.

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    6. Re:So to get this straight... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      You could turn your CPU into a coffee maker :)

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    7. Re:So to get this straight... by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "You also need a working fluid that discourages biological growth, but that shouldn't be too hard either."

      Exactly, my fridge did it for 20 years.

    8. Re:So to get this straight... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Somehow I don't think the working fluid in a liquid cooling setup will be kept at quite the temperatures in a refrigerator. Rather, the temperature of the working fluid will be in the biological "danger zone"

      https://www.google.com/search?...

      which encourages the growth of microorganisms which can clog a liquid cooling setup. I believe this is why many use antifreeze or special fluids designed for the purpose, but I could be wrong about that.

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  4. reLOCATES the heatsink and fans by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Liquid cooling, no matter how efficient, still requires you to dump the waste heat somewhere. You don't magically get to just seal up the vents in the case because "liquid!".

    That said, yes, this counts as a very cool (no pun intended) step forward, and will vastly improve the number of transistors we can pack into an arbitrary sized box - But make no mistake, that "savings" comes at the cost of needing an external radiator.

    TANSTAAFL.

    1. Re:reLOCATES the heatsink and fans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, TFS is exaggerating horribly.

      TFS: "The cooling fluid resides only nanometers from the heat it must address"
      TFA: "We have eliminated the heat sink atop the silicon die by moving liquid cooling just a few hundred microns away from the transistors"

      But hey, what's 5 orders of magnitude between friends...

    2. Re:reLOCATES the heatsink and fans by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      True indeed... but then, you can pipe it off to a heatsink sitting off to the side (meaning you can make the overall device thinner), and the closer proximity betwixt fluid and heat source means that you don't need as large of a heatsink (mostly because you're not waiting for a relatively large amount of heat to work its way out past the packaging.)

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    3. Re:reLOCATES the heatsink and fans by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      You can magically seal up the vents and pump the liquid through the case of the device, turning the entire casing and all of it's surface area in to the heatsink.

    4. Re:reLOCATES the heatsink and fans by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      You could seal up the vents to the circuitry and pipe the vaporized liquid to a condenser in an area that doesn't have circuitry. Then you could replace the air in the circuitry area with argon or dry nitrogen. If you need an external radiator, you might as well enjoy the advantages that come with that sort of design and make the radiator external to more than just the processor.

    5. Re:reLOCATES the heatsink and fans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think we will ever get to very high density 3D computing chips unless and until we have integrated cooling systems to process the heat correctly.

    6. Re:reLOCATES the heatsink and fans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those were my thoughts. More efficient transistors (much lower gate capacitance) means a much smaller current to strip the charge of the base/emitter/collector or gate/source/drain to allow faster switching or at least fast switching at low current, and low current means less heat. But with an equivalent transistor (or 60 million transistors), you will get the equivalent amount of heat. Now matter how you spread it, you will get heat. It might be easier to *move* the heat out of the box, but the heat is still there to be moved.

  5. Don't they all? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

    DARPA-funded research into on-chip liquid cooling has resulted in a field-programmable gate array (FPGA) liquid-cooled device that can operate at 24 degrees Celsius, versus 60 degrees Celsius for an equivalent air-cooled device.

    So do most FPGAs need an external heater to get them up to 60C before they'll operate, or don't they all work at 24C?

    Or do they mean that this one WILL only REACH 24C WHILE running?

    1. Re:Don't they all? by StevenMaurer · · Score: 1

      As a rule of thumb, the colder electronic components are, the cleaner their signals are, the faster they can run, etc. All the fastest overclocking gets done via subzero temperatures (though this is dangerous as condensation of water from the atmosphere can cause catastrophic short-circuits).

    2. Re:Don't they all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Human language is deeply reliant on context to achieve better compression ratio by not having to explicitly state every single relevant fact. You know this. Don't be deliberately obtuse, nobody likes that shit.

      The context here (an article about cooling, of devices that substantially self-heat) isn't even subtle, it's about as obvious as a slap across the face with a wet trout.

    3. Re:Don't they all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically they could have used temperature constraints during place&route and their FPGA design may only be valid for a small temperature band. Probably not though.

      Place and Route is part of the build process of getting your design/program onto a specific version of an FPGA. It will look at all the logic and registers that are in your design and map them to physical components on the FPGA. It will try and place components and route wires in such a way that things are synchronised to the rising edge of a clock (often multiple clocks are involved).

      A signal could arrive too late (a setup violation), or too early (a hold violation). That means that the place and route application looks at worst case situations in multiple dimensions. One of the situations is a temperature band. Low temperatures would reduce problems with setup violation, but increase problems with hold violation. Therefor you want the smallest temperature band width, because the error bar for worst case situations will be reduced.

    4. Re:Don't they all? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Field effect transistors - the dominant devices in modern digital logic - run faster at low temperatures. Conductor resistance usually drops as temperature drops; that also helps. Bipolar transistors lose current gain at low temperatures, and generally run fastest around room temperature.

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  6. Solid is better for a long live maintainance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it is liquid as mercury then it can make corrosion to the metals or semiconductors. It is a bad notice of using liquid in the system.

    And the liquid can be evaporized until no liquid here.

    1. Re:Solid is better for a long live maintainance. by pla · · Score: 2

      If it is liquid as mercury then it can make corrosion to the metals or semiconductors. It is a bad notice of using liquid in the system.

      Inorite? Like, just imagine if they decided to use molten sodium hydroxide, that shit'll eat just about anything you throw at it, even glass - These engineers must count as such complete morons! XD

      Seriously, why the hell would you jump right to assuming they would use some sort of corrosive liquid for this system? Realistically, you just use a light mineral oil, or if you have the budget for it, something like Fluorinert.

    2. Re:Solid is better for a long live maintainance. by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Cooling systems already used liquid. Heat pipes in laptops and other heatsinks have liquid inside them.

    3. Re:Solid is better for a long live maintainance. by xenotransplant · · Score: 2

      I always use corrosives in my liquid cooler. Not only is sodium hydroxide more readily available than distilled water, but it also prevents algae build up!

  7. cooling fluid resides only nanometers from.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the heat it must address.

    Except the article says it is a few hundred microns. Not much different I see here from work we did at IBM around 2001 or others have done before, even comercial ventures (Cooligy, etc.).

    1. Re: cooling fluid resides only nanometers from.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IBM 3081, 1980; Cray-2 1985. Yeah, lots of differences (IBM used AL rods and helium, Cray used Fluorinert and packaged chips). But liquid cooling adjacent to chips is not a new idea. Still a good idea, though; nice to see advances.

  8. Sounds cool, but is it practical? by vadim_t · · Score: 1

    It seems to still require an external pump, and liquid cooling didn't seem to take off yet except among hardcore overclocking enthusiasts. It's complicated, messy, and can fail in ways that are much worse than air cooling.

    And what happens if those tiny channels erode or get clogged?

    Or perhaps this is supposed to be paired with an OEM system intended to be maintenance free to solve such problems?

    The article unfortunately is short on useful information.

  9. No heatsink? by xenotransplant · · Score: 2

    Where does the heat go? Is it magically carried away by the liquid into some sort of wormhole?

    1. Re:No heatsink? by suutar · · Score: 1

      no heatsink attached to the chip. There's one elsewhere, even if it's just tubing wall.

      Personally, and for no good reason, I kind of want to build a rig that uses a radiator from a '57 chevy :)

  10. Nanometers? Where does that come from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reading that the cooling lines are only "nanometers" away from the transistors really seemed like a significant advance in combining microfluidic and microchip processing. I mean, only thin film processing generally produces submicron uniform films. However the rather short article mentions nanometers NOWHERE. Instead, it says the cooling is "just a few hundred microns away from the transistors" Considering that an entire silicon wafer is generally ~300-800microns thick, that's much less impressive.

    Moreover, the issue of heat dissipation still remains. A 100W chip still needs advect 100W of heat through the cooling line, and in microfluidics the small volumes would require huge fluid velocities and high pressures to get sufficient cooling.

  11. Micro not nano by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Article says "We have eliminated the heat sink atop the silicon die by moving liquid cooling just a few hundred microns away from the transistors,”. Aka, more than 200000 nanometers away. The summery is rather mislearing when its talking about things being on the nanometer scale here. Liquids don't work well at the nanometer scale.

  12. "the heat it must address" ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who wrote this nonsense? Nothing "addresses" heat. Americans...

    1. Re:"the heat it must address" ??? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      My home heating system is made of a dozen networked elements, you insensitive clod!

  13. Stacked CPUs? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    Do you want Terminators? Because this is how you get Terminators.

  14. Thought this was IBM's idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wasnt IBM talking about this years and years ago?

    http://www.cnet.com/news/ibm-to-cool-layered-chips-with-water/