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Linux Kernel Dev Sarah Sharp Quits, Citing 'Brutal' Communications Style
JG0LD writes: A prominent Linux kernel developer announced today in a blog post that she would step down from her direct work in the kernel community. “My current work on userspace graphics enabling may require me to send an occasional quirks kernel patch, but I know I will spend at least a day dreading the potential toxic background radiation of interacting with the kernel community before I send anything,” Sharp wrote. Back in July, 2013 Sarah made a push to make the Linux Kernel Development Mailing List a more civil place.
I'm a man and I don't like when guys feels it's ok to be bullying me.
Being nice is not so difficult.
The link from "back in July" was from 2013, and Sarah hasn't made a kernel contribution in 18 months. She's moved on to other projects, and I wish her the best of luck.
No true Scotsman argument.
Lots of men are put off by the same BS behavior, the difference is that there is more pressure to conform / suck it up, etc. Company I know removed a manager who had this style and the team was composed solely of males in a male dominated profession. Environment was getting toxic so instead of allowing the department to fail upper management took action and probably saved the company.
Reminds me of the old phrase about being able to dish it out all day but not being able to take it for one second.
Kind of reminds me of the whole Ellen Pao debacle where she accused people who worked with -- at a VC firm -- of being complete assholes. And she was right about that part. However, she lost the case because the facts showed that she was one of the biggest assholes in the whole place so she might as well have sued herself.
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
What a load of stereotypical bollocks. I'm a man, and I don't accept or give abuse at work. If someone is rubbish, I'll tell them politely and professionally what they need to change, and if they continue to be rubbish, I'll fire them. Most of the women I have worked with seem to have the same sense of humour, skin-thickness and social skills as the men. i.e. if you are flat out rude and abusive, they get upset.
There is no need for for abusive leadership styles, irrespective of whether the team members or male or female.
I'm a man and I think this is a shit way to treat a human being. No, it's not okay to treat me that way just because I have "outdoor plumbing". I'm not your bro. We're not going to bro down at the bar after you berate me.
This is a part of nerd culture that we need to not quietly condone any longer.
You're making crude generalizations on the basis of gender. I dare say that borderline bullying isn't a healthy environment for a lot of men or women; it's immature and unprofessional and, as Sarah Sharp eloquently points out in her post, by tolerating such a culture the leaders of the community in question are prioritising the "need" for people to express themselves aggressively over other people's potential need for respectful and sensitive communication.
It's all very well to say that people need to learn not to take things personally, but the fact is that you can't possibly know - especially not over a mailing list - just what emotional or personal issues a person might be going through. Do you really a want a situation where curious and potentially talented developers are put off contributing to an important project because of a toxic culture?
If that's your opinion, you're not much of a man.
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It has been frequently a topic of Slashdot posts. Even a modicum of Google research will come up with some gems. https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/12/... - here's one
It took a hell of a lot of digging, but it seems to have started with this thread, way back in 2013.
Now, I'm all for professional communication, and emails can be easy to misinterpret, but this looks like a bit of an over-reaction. Someone commented that they send patches to Greg KH because Linus scares him, but added a winkey smiley afterwards, i.e. not really all that scary. Then Linus made a joke about Greg being big and squishing people that may or may not be playful or insulting, without knowing much about the relationship between these guys it's hard to say. Squish is hardly a word you use when you're really angry though.
And then Linus and Ingo gently tick off Greg and says he should be tougher, Linus says Greg is acting like a "door mat" and says "You may need to learn to say no to people". Ingo says "be frank with contributors and sometimes swear a bit". Probably this discussion would be held off list in a more traditional corporate environment to avoid embarrassing Greg (though "you are too nice" is not that embarrassing), but he takes it in his stride and agrees to be tougher.
OK, so far, just another day in open source land? Well, then Sarah Sharp flies off the handle and says:
What the heck? The only thing she could be referring to this thread so far has been Linus talking about Greg being a giant who might "squish you without even noticing". Nobody could seriously interpret that as advocating for violence unless you were so unbelievably literal you'd be unable to handle ordinary conversations.
And then there's the conflation of "verbal abuse" with "violence". These are two words that mean very different things. And finally the assertion that by trying to make jokes (perhaps not very well), Linus and Ingo were being unprofessional. Not surprisingly, Linus had a problem with this claim.
Now I don't know, probably this could have been avoided if the discussion with Greg had been private. But it seems Sharp would have let rip at some other point if someone else made an off-colour joke. I can believe LKML is a tough environment, but this isn't the best evidence possible. Perhaps there have been other incidents, but as Sharp doesn't list any, it's hard to say.
I was curious and did some research on this. I know Linus and some of the other guys can be a lot to take. However, after reading a lot of the posts Sarah made complaining about people and things, I started to get the feeling she's attention seeking and disruptive. She constantly brings up gender in irrelevant ways and appears to be the self styled 'girl kernel developer'. She also punches below the belt. For example:
"*Snort*. Perhaps we haven't interacted very often, but I have never seen you be nice in person at KS. Well, there was that one time you came to me and very quietly explained you had a problem with your USB 3.0 ports, but you came off as "scared to talk to a girl kernel developer" more than "I'm trying to be polite"."
Linus tends to be very direct, as are a lot of important open source communities. The critical people are very busy and get frustrated when people display various kinds of incompetence. In fact, it appears to me that they were treating Sarah very gently precisely *because* she was a girl. Or maybe it was the intel.com email adress -- who knows.
Professional behavior doesn't differ by gender. Even the words should be the same.
I never have to treat the women I work with differently because of their 'emotional state' or any gender issue.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Because if you want me to "act professional", I can tell you that I'm not interested. I'm sitting in my home office wearign a bathrobe. The same way I'm not going to start wearing ties, I'm *also* not going to buy into the fake politeness, the lying, the office politics and backstabbing, the passive aggressiveness, and the buzzwords. Because THAT is what "acting professionally" results in: people resort to all kinds of really nasty things because they are forced to act out their normal urges in unnatural ways.
And a lot of men, myself included are put off by the sort of hostile work environment PC nazis create, where you have to say bullshit like "this is less than ideal." rather than "this is garbage." or "the fuck is this." to avoid offending people. It's especially bad when you're on the receiving end of this new PC form of disapproval, because many times you can't even tell if someone is praising or admonishing you, and you end up feeling like you're doing a shit job even when your boss is telling you everything is ok; and sometimes you are.
I'd rather be told, "jee what you've done is fucking bad." than say "well, we'll have to rethink this approach." and I'm left wondering, wtf does he/she mean by this? This hasn't happened to me, but getting fired after six months of never being told you've fucked up or done anything wrong must be brutal.
Now, I get there is some wiggle room, and you can be just as expressive and direct without resorting to swearing or simile, like instead of saying "this software is fucking garbage", saying "this software is bad, wrong and unfit for purpose." but you need to be direct and confrontational so that people know where they stand, rather than pretending to be polite when they are 5 minutes from being fired.
You don't even have to win the fight, you just have to hurt them, and they will leave you alone in the future.
I knew a girl who was bullied by some other girls in school. One day she fought back, and landed a good punch. Two days later she was gone because they ganged up on her, set her hair on fire and burned her with cigarettes. Her parents drove her to another school after that.
bullies are usually cowards.
Except when they're not cowards, outweigh you, and have a lot of friends. This is not uncommon.
I know more than a few guys who were bullied. Some fought back, sometimes it worked. As often as not though, it didn't help one iota, and if anything just made it worse.
The football quarterback prom king dating the lead cheerleader who throws the best parties? Half the school worships him, including the teachers? He can be a bully too. I wouldn't count on the idea that landing a couple good punches on him is going to make life better for his victim.
What I have a problem with is people like [the GP], who try to pretend that we're all the same. We're not. Not only are men not the same as women, men are not the same as other men, and women are not the same as other women.
Strawman. That's not what the GP said. What s/he actually said was this:
Professional behavior doesn't differ by gender. Even the words should be the same.
No, we're not all the same, and arguably it's impossible for us to pretend that we are. Nevertheless, there are many contexts where it is crucial that we do acknowledge we are the same, such as professional courtesies, voting rights, and so on.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Is Linux successful? Debatable. It has success in limited uses,
These limited uses being "pretty much everything outside the desktop".
Servers, embed, high performance computing clusters, smartphones, robots, home appliances, etc.
And new uses still pop up on a regular basis.
Hardly a niche.
Though you probably are proud of explicitely using a non-Linux OS on your computer (Mac OS X ? Windows ?), fact is that you probably interact with a dozen of Linux powered device each day without noticing.
Linus accomplished a lot, but what groundbreaking thing has he done in the last 20 years?
Yeah, the guy has done nothing more that the Linux kernel in he's life. He's a one trick poney.
It's not like he would be ablto to do anything else like starting a distributed source control management (DSCM) that in practice almost replace any other SCM.
Oh, wait...
Without Linus to create Git, you probably wouldn't have had communities like GitHub emerge nowadays (or they would have tried to built on much less optimal technology. Github is born out of the specific feature that with git, forks/merges/rebases are cheap - a specific feature that Linus needed to build in order to be able to use git for the kernel work).
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