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NY Times Passes 1M Digital Subscribers

HughPickens.com writes: Many news organizations, facing competition from digital outlets, have sharply reduced the size of their newsrooms and their investment in news gathering but less than four-and-a-half years after launching its pay model the NY Times has increased coverage as it announced that the Times has passed one million digital-only subscribers, giving them far more than any other news organization in the world. The Times still employs as many reporters as it did 15 years ago — and its ranks now include graphics editors, developers, video journalists and other digital innovators. "It's a tribute to the hard work and innovation of our marketing, product and technology teams and the continued excellence of our journalism," says CEO Mark Thompson.

According to Ken Doctor the takeaway from the Times success is that readers reward elite global journalism. The Wall Street Journal is close behind the Times, at 900,000, while the FT's digital subscription number stands at 520,000. "These solid numbers form bedrock for the future. For news companies, being national now means being global, and being global means enjoying unprecedented reach," says Doctor. "These audiences of a half-million and more portend more reader revenue to come."

92 comments

  1. Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A million people online who don't understand that deleting your cookies enables you to read as many articles as you want for free.

    1. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ...or just opening NYT in a private window.

    2. Re:Wow! by tripleevenfall · · Score: 3, Insightful

      IMO, if you trust any of the old media enough to pay for a subscription, and you spend enough time on one website to get your money's worth, you're probably getting too much of your information from a single source.

    3. Re:Wow! by harshath.jr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perhaps a subset of that million just believes in "paying it back" to the journalistic institutions of their communities. Just saying. Full disclosure: I'm not a subscriber to any digital publication.

    4. Re:Wow! by bitingduck · · Score: 1

      Perhaps a subset of that million just believes in "paying it back" to the journalistic institutions of their communities. Just saying.

      That's what convinced me to subscribe. I signed up when I realized I was paying about the same per year to my local public radio station, and that it was a quite reasonable price to support the times.

      I was probably one of their earliest digital only subscribers - way back I used to get the sunday times and sit around all morning with coffee and a baguette to read it. I stopped getting LA times delivered to my door because I didn't want the paper accumulating.

    5. Re:Wow! by tomhath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I suspect it's more like supporting their own view of the world. People who subscribe to NYT or WSJ want news with the editorial spin from those sources to be widely distributed. Same with people who donate to and support congressional funding for NPR.

    6. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, let's just steal content indefinitely. It's not like they can't afford it.
      Truth be told, I did that for a few months, and then I realized it was worth the subscription cost, so now I am a paying subscriber. Same for The Economist.

    7. Re:Wow! by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      IMO, if you trust any of the old media enough to pay for a subscription, and you spend enough time on one website to get your money's worth, you're probably getting too much of your information from a single source.

      I think this is an excellent point, especially for general news and information. The more sources the better.

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    8. Re:Wow! by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

      Wonder how many of the subscriptions are by businesses & libraries.

      I was wondering about that as I watched a guy in the library put a copy of the NYT in his backpack and walk out.

    9. Re:Wow! by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

      or mangle the url

      when i get back a nytimes.com page that is paywalled i go to the url and i

      1. chop off the nytimes.com domain upfront
      2. chop off the trailing querystring
      3. hit enter, you get a google result, the first link always being the story you want
      4. follow that link

      the referer is now sanitized

      so you get the article. you even stay logged in

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    10. Re:Wow! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      No, it's a lousy point. More sources doesn't equal free sources. Mayhaps you might want to pay for information from whatever varied sources you use. Unfortunately, the way that websites are going, that's not an option. Micropayments went out of style before they were even adopted. So you have to pay for the full ride.

      And, unfortunately for NYT, the benefit from being a subscriber are pretty slim. Same annoying, intrusive adds. Same klunk of an interface. Same annoying emails. Most (but certainly not all) sites that have a subscription either drop adverts or markedly tone them down. The NYT team seems a bit clueless.

      And I would argue that one million subscribers to the best known newspaper on the planet is not a particularly impressive feat. It just demonstrates how nobody gets it.

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    11. Re:Wow! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Of course. I don't much listen to Rush Limbaugh because he never says anything remotely sensible. We all pick and choose. The NYT has a distinct and disturbing liberal bias at times but they do manage to actually create news by good reporting. That's rather rare these days.

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    12. Re:Wow! by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      Well, the rate is officially $3.75 per week (more if you want to be able to access it on all devices). But the NYT gives 50% off discounts for "educators and students", and any subscription given as a gift comes at 30% off. There's also a special corporate rate, and it's possible to subscribe to the Opinion section only. So, I'm guessing they count all these subscriptions at any level toward the total number.

      When you compare the $3.75 per week to the $12+ a week (current prices) that people used to pay for home delivery, one wonders how the Times is making any money these days... (?)

    13. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe folks aren't cheap bastards like you and will actually pay money for a quality service? Nah... that's a ridiculous thought.

    14. Re:Wow! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But how many of those sources are actually doing investigative journalism? I'd take one source that has the resources to do real investigation over ten that can barely afford to regurgitate press releases and rely on sponsored articles for their income.

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    15. Re:Wow! by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      i actually did subscribe to the dead tree service, and will be doing so again. i have no problem with accessing my existing account through the paywall in the interim. if nytimes has a problem with that, they can contact me. i believe you don't have any authority on this matter, as much as it pains your trollish heart

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    16. Re:Wow! by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      But how many of those sources are actually doing investigative journalism?

      I don't know; all I'm saying is that in general it's better to get your information from multiple sources than just one.

      Not in every case, but for general news and world events I think it's a reasonable way to go.

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    17. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if I pay and they're exposed as lying liars, I can vote with my money. It's in their interest to be honest and keep me as a subscriber.

      On the internets and cable TV, you tend to get what you want to hear, because they're ad supported and eyeballs matter more than truth.

      Once they moved news departments under the entertainment division, it all went to hell pretty fast.

      I blame Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton for most of the mess.

    18. Re:Wow! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Then there are others of us. I sometimes spend a couple hundred dollars a day donating to sites that have helped me or given me a service that I appreciate. Then there are groups like the EFF who get a goodly sum. Go ahead, put your 'please donate' button on there and I just might. I actually sometimes contact web site authors just to see how I can send them a donation because they've not given me an easy way to do so.

      I kind of feel it's my social obligation to give back to those who give to me or others.

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    19. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe folks aren't cheap bastards like you and will actually pay money for a quality service? Nah... that's a ridiculous thought.

      Sure I'll pay for quality service but I thought we were talking abut the NY times.

    20. Re:Wow! by metrix007 · · Score: 2

      Or who don't mind paying $3/week for unlimited access and to support quality journalism..

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    21. Re:Wow! by chappel · · Score: 1

      I really wish there were a Spotify or Pandora etc for News - where I could pay ONE (low) monthly fee and get access to a TON of news to be able to get some proximity of a balanced view of the world (and be able to discover NEW voices), with an appropriate fraction of my payment going to support the articles I read. I realize they need to make money somehow, but there's no way I can justify the full price of even ONE online journalism outlet, let alone the several I'd like to access and support. So in the mean time I don't support anybody.

    22. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought we were talking about ur mom

    23. Re:Wow! by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      And, unfortunately for NYT, the benefit from being a subscriber are pretty slim. Same annoying, intrusive adds. Same klunk of an interface. Same annoying emails. Most (but certainly not all) sites that have a subscription either drop adverts or markedly tone them down. The NYT team seems a bit clueless.

      Adverts for subscribers are way less than non-subscribers, and are basically the ideal static well behaved ads that we want to encourage. More emails, but they are news summaries and alerts and you can opt out. I think nyt does the subscription model pretty well. Source: personal experience.

    24. Re:Wow! by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      Most news sources just copy pasta others. There are very few direct sources of news. Nyt, wsj, wapo, a couple others.

    25. Re:Wow! by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      I used to get the sunday times and sit around all morning with coffee and a baguette to read it. I stopped getting LA times delivered to my door because I didn't want the paper accumulating.

      I've been trying for the past 2 months to find a decent baguette in LA. It's just not a bread town. Suggestions?

    26. Re:Wow! by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      And I would argue that one million subscribers to the best known newspaper on the planet...

      Because if it's popular in America, it has to popular in the other 95% of the world right?

    27. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just looked up "top newspapers in the world" and got 4 different lists. The Times of India appears to have greater circulation but then again they've also got 3-4 times as many people there.

      What's scary is The Daily Mail ranked first or very close to first on several of those. Clearly popularity has nothing to do with quality.

  2. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad someone is still paying for news to be produced. I'm not going to.

  3. Adapt or die by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
    Altogether too many people want everything exactly the way it was, and always should be, and will even employ cognitive dissonance to make believe they are on the right track.

    Then they go away.

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    1. Re:Adapt or die by Tunefix · · Score: 1

      I am still searching for the news-media that tell me what I should know, and not what market-analasys and google-analytics-click-counting thinks I want.

    2. Re:Adapt or die by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      I sympathize 100%, but I suspect your search is futile. :(

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  4. Wow! by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

    People actually pay money for NYT? Ouch.

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  5. Overblown by opusbuddy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am one of one million, and a long-time reader of NY Times. Frankly, I think this is a little over blown and I sure hope they don't hurt themselves patting themselves on the back. I read the NYT mobile edition daily, enabled by my subscription to the Sunday paper home delivery. The Business and Technology sections have the same content listed for weeks on end. They suffered greatly when David Pogue left. Much of the "paid" subscription content is just blog postings. Better than most blogs, written by intelligent journalists, but blog postings none-the-less.

    And about once a week (at least), you get a nasty full screen popover. Their recent coverage about the cost/benefit of ad blocking shows their pages are heavy, which gets annoying and uses bandwidth if you don't hit reader view really fast or use an ad blocker.

    I love the New York Times, but have never been happy with their IT department. Will never, ever, ever use the mobile app they keep trying to get me to download. Burned too many times on that one.

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    1. Re:Overblown by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      And this is why I dropped my subscription. NYT digital is totally clueless. I can have a better experience with the shields up.

      I have written to them a number of times suggesting that they lighten up, give their subscribers some actual benefit. Nobody ever listens to me except my dog and he's just waiting for a walk.

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    2. Re:Overblown by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Nobody ever listens to me except my dog and he's just waiting for a walk.

      I'm guessing your dog is cold and wet. :)

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    3. Re:Overblown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is why I dropped my subscription. NYT digital is totally clueless. I can have a better experience with the shields up.

      I just dropped the iPad app subscription after several years. They had a "Lacoste" ad that was making the app unusable on a medium-fast connection. I told them I wasn't interested in buying any "lacostes," whatever they are anyway. Their response: "the ad meets our ad policy." Mmmmkay. Guess I'll just browse with Google News.

  6. One of the last real news outlets remaining by timholman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm an NY Times digital subscriber, for two reasons. First, subscription costs are dirt cheap for people in academia. Second, the NY Times is one of the few remaining news services in the USA that practices investigative journalism any more. I may not always agree with the NY Times' "slant" on a particular story, but at least there is some real content to what they publish.

    Our local newspaper is your typical Gannett mess, with the only real "news" being the USA Today insert. The local news is little more than thinly-disguised opinion pieces, local crime reports with minimal information, and articles that rightfully belong on a Gawker site or in People magazine. My wife and I dropped our remaining weekend subscription to the local paper months ago, and we haven't missed it since.

    1. Re:One of the last real news outlets remaining by opusbuddy · · Score: 1

      NYT is also one of the few organizations left who have an ombudsman, Margaret Sullivan (called their "Public Editor") to keep them honest and hold the editor's feet to the fire (and she does!).

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    2. Re:One of the last real news outlets remaining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "One of the last real news outlets remaining".

      Sorry to tell you but there are better news outlets, with real people like university professors and not apologists for the establishment like the NYT.

      http://therealnews.com

    3. Re:One of the last real news outlets remaining by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

      "NY Times is one of the few remaining news services in the USA that practices investigative journalism any more."

      Personally I think that the Washington Post is the best mainstream investigative journalism in the USA. I gave up on NYT a long time ago. Maybe now they aren't as bad as I remember.

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    4. Re:One of the last real news outlets remaining by tomhath · · Score: 1

      with the only real "news" being the USA Today insert.

      You're kidding, right? USAToday is among the most biased out there.

    5. Re:One of the last real news outlets remaining by Koreantoast · · Score: 1

      No offense, but university professors don't necessarily make good journalists. Very different skill set.

    6. Re:One of the last real news outlets remaining by Koreantoast · · Score: 4, Funny
      As the old joke (or some variant) goes:

      The New York Times is read by people who think they should run the country.

      The Washington Post is read by people who think they run the country.

      The Wall Street Journal is read by the people who actually run the country.

    7. Re:One of the last real news outlets remaining by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      with the only real "news" being the USA Today insert.

      USAToday is the "Egg McMuffin" of newspapers: it looks way better than it tastes.

      Seriously, If there's any actual news printed in USAToday, I sure as never never found it.

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    8. Re:One of the last real news outlets remaining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hold the editor's feet to the fire (and she does!).

      ..well within the constraints of certain political viewpoints, I'm sure.

    9. Re:One of the last real news outlets remaining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "No offense, but university professors don't necessarily make good journalists. Very different skill set."

      Sorry to tell you but that's bullshit, anyone who's capable of doing serious scientific research can verify facts and professors are usually better than journalists.

    10. Re:One of the last real news outlets remaining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Second, the NY Times is one of the few remaining news services in the USA that practices investigative journalism any more.

      You mean when their reporters don't find it more convenient to just make shit up?

    11. Re:One of the last real news outlets remaining by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      What's amusing to me about therealnews.com is the banner at the top that says "no advertising" and the (at present, I just looked) seven huge banner ads on the front page.

      They have other problems too, for instance, issues they simply ignore.

      Not that this is any worse than other places, it's just that I wouldn't call them a paragon of excellence by any stretch of the imagination.

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    12. Re:One of the last real news outlets remaining by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      At any rating less than +5, this is underrated. C'mon mods. Stone truth.

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    13. Re:One of the last real news outlets remaining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? I added their channel to my Roku and have watched it 2 or 3 times. IIRC, they're news pieces are crap and their slant is heavy.

      Real News, my ass!

  7. Good for them! by trybywrench · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good for them, they've adapted, changed, and are pulling ahead. I remember when the pay-wall decision was made, they were one of the first to do it and it was an incredibly controversial and risky proposition "why would someone pay when Google News is free?". Everyone was very nervous and there were lots of naysayers but looks like they're figuring it out. Hats off and rock on.

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    1. Re:Good for them! by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 0
      Pulling ahead?

      Hmm, 1M digital subscribers...New York's population in north of 8M. So maybe 12.5% of New York's population has signed up. At most. Assuming every digital subscriber is in NYC.

      Now, assuming that every one of those digital subscribers is an out-of-towner who had never subscribed before, they've probably added a good 20% to their subscriber base in, oh, 20 years or so. Hardly an example of massive success....

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    2. Re:Good for them! by bitingduck · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hmm, 1M digital subscribers...New York's population in north of 8M. So maybe 12.5% of New York's population has signed up. At most. Assuming every digital subscriber is in NYC.

      The locals buy a paper copy at the bodega on their block.

      Digital is for those of us outside the local area who want a comprehensive news source that they have reasonably well calibrated. All news sources are biased, but the big ones are at least reasonably consistent about it.

    3. Re:Good for them! by trybywrench · · Score: 1

      "Pulling ahead?"

      Pulling ahead of their competition in paid digital subscribers? Yes, yes they are. Keep up cupcake.

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    4. Re:Good for them! by goodmanj · · Score: 1

      Most 21st century newspapers would kill for a circulation of 12.5% of their population. Los Angeles Times, for example, is about 5%.

      Nobody's saying that the New York Times is a massive success, but it is turning a profit.

    5. Re:Good for them! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 0

      But for the NYT, it's not just the New York population. It's the population of the English speaking upper crust. Lot's more than 12 million. That's why the one million number is pretty weak.

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    6. Re:Good for them! by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      But for the NYT, it's not just the New York population. It's the population of the English speaking upper crust. Lot's more than 12 million. That's why the one million number is pretty weak.

      This is digital ONLY subscriptions.

      You do realize the NYT is also available in regular deadtree format, right? And it's extremely popular in that format, well exceeding digital.

      Personally, I prefer the deadtree. I don't need up to the minute coverage, and the deadtree means when I sit down to read it (on my commute), I get a reasonable summary of all the stuff that happened the day before. Sure, it's a day old, but if I didn't care about it yesterday to get up to the minute news, then it wasn't important for me to keep up with it.

      But that doesn't mean it's not important - it's good to keep up with what's happening outside your field of interest (it's called being worldly, and even though it has zilch to do with what you care about, that doesn't mean it isn't necessarily important), after all. It's just I'd rather take it in a summary all at once than to go try to find out what happened.

    7. Re:Good for them! by goodmanj · · Score: 1

      Looks like deadtree circulation for the Times is about a million, roughly equal to online-only subscriptions.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10...

    8. Re:Good for them! by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      I live in Manhattan, digital here. Why waste paper and pay for a slower, less interactive medium?

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    9. Re:Good for them! by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1

      "why would someone pay when Google News is free?"

      Why indeed, when /. readers rather discuss about semantics of piracy and theft, than financially reward someone's hard work.

  8. Not competitive by iamacat · · Score: 1

    Between CNN and Flipboard, I can read lots of news for free, then subscribe to both HBO and Netflix for same money to get much more varied entertainment. These must be loyal long term subscribers who switched from paper to digital. A healthy price point is around $99/year, where people can view subscription is a reasonable infrequent expense.

    1. Re:Not competitive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      CNN is NOT news. It is entertainment. That is a significant difference.

    2. Re:Not competitive by schnell · · Score: 1

      Between CNN and Flipboard, I can read lots of news for free

      People don't go to the NY Times for the same news they can read on CNN etc. (I say this as one of the million digital NYT customers referenced in the article). CNN and free news aggregators tend to just republish stories they licensed from the Associated Press or UPI. (True fact: you can be a "news site" without having a single reporter, just pay your AP license and publish recycled content all day long! viz. Breitbart)

      "Premium" news outlets like NY Times, Wall Street Journal, FT, Economist, Washington Post, etc. spend the money required in many cases to actually send their own reporters out who can do original reporting and offer additional information, differing views, or focus on in-depth/investigative reporting and add some "why" to the "how" that most AP stories consist of. That's worthwhile reading to me, and why I am more than OK paying a subscription for it - I think supporting quality journalism is an important thing to do. Otherwise nothing will be left but the Breitbarts of the world.

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  9. Secret Weapon: The Times Crossword by jomama717 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Whoever they have over there that is responsible for designing and implementing their online crossword page/apps is a genius. If you told me 10 years ago that I would enjoy doing crosswords on a cell phone I would have laughed, but they pulled it off. It's the only reason I subscribe - and the actual news/opinion is a very nice add-on feature :)

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  10. market consolidation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hundreds of newspapers have failed and many other traditional sources (network broadcast news, etc.) are now nothing more than infotainment. People who want quality in-depth sources of information have few places to go.

  11. Inferior solution by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 1


    Sure they must be happy...is it anywhere near what their paper figures use to be?

    Once upon a time someone would buy a paper, read it and leave it on the train and someone else would have a glimpse of what the fuss is about...maybe they'd pay too if they wanted.

    Before this slashdot article I had forgotten the NYT existed...

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  12. BBC by trevc · · Score: 1

    BBC is my main news source - I do not like the USA style of journalism.

    1. Re:BBC by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      I'm sure the BBC is just as good at lying.

    2. Re:BBC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure the BBC is just as good at lying.

      It is (or distorting the truth).

      I grew up in Ireland & had daily access to both UK & Irish news (i.e. would probably watch both versions of events every day).

      I recall one particularly egregious disparity when UK & Irish TV news were giving live coverage of a "Marching Season" event in Northern Ireland. Things got nasty & the BBC provided a very pro-marcher spin with video that gave credibility to their version of events. The RTE (Irish) news channel gave a very anti-marcher spin with IMO even more explicit & convincing video to back up their claims (this time).

      Anyway, the salient points:
      1. Never single source your news.
      2. Probably best the the multiple sources are from different countries, the more culturally diverse the better.
      3. Always assume that no single news source is 100% accurate about anything.

      Just my 2 cents.

      P.S. FWIW I'd consider both BBC & RTE news to be very high quality - even that isn't good enough on its own.

  13. You need to pay for news. by goodmanj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You should pay for some sort of news outlet. New York Times, Washington Post, NPR, I don't care which: you need to make sure that the place you're getting your information from is beholden to its readers, not just to its advertisers and owners. You know the old saying: if you're not paying for it, you're not the customer, you're the product.

    1. Re:You need to pay for news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only one flaw, what I think of as the cable lie: Just because you're paying for something doesn't mean you're not the product (and a really stupid product to pay for the privilege of being advertised at and/or manipulated).

      To explain that, I remember when cable TV was new, and the local cable providers were advertising on the normal channels that "cable only channels will never have commercials." Yeah, that didn't last. Now cable operates under the model where viewers pay for 100 channels to get 2 they want (or 250 to get 3 of interest) and every single one of those channels has a 3:7 or higher commercial:show ratio (usually 2:3, just like aired channels. 12 minutes of commercial to every 18 minutes of show).

    2. Re:You need to pay for news. by goodmanj · · Score: 1

      Yup, paying for stuff is necessary, but not sufficient. The NY Times gets about 1/4 of its revenue from subscriptions, which is hopefully enough.

  14. Those numbers are pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a nobody, yet I have over 20,000 subscribers.

    1. Re:Those numbers are pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a nobody, yet I have over 20,000 subscribers.

      Paid subscribers?

  15. (Re:BBC) 40 million unique visitors/week by Chrisq · · Score: 2

    They also put NYT's 1,000,000 subscribers into perspective, BBC News Online gets 40 million unique users a week.

  16. Still trying to gut the BBC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The current UK government is trying to gut the BBC

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/11598450/Tories-go-to-war-with-the-BBC.html

  17. So? McDonalds has sold billions of hamburgers. by Brannon · · Score: 1

    What's the point of comparing the magnitude of completely different quantities? Why not compare NYT's paid subscriptions to BBC News paid subscriptions? Or compare NYT unique users per week to BBC.

  18. Just to compare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NY Times (All Time High): 1M Digital Subscribers

    World of Warcraft (Nine-Year Low): 5.6M Subscribers
    (Source: World of Warcraft subscriber numbers)

  19. Wow what an ahole by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just because you can sneak into the theater doesn't mean you should. Sure if you need a quick peak inside the tent I would imagine NY times is happy to have you interested in their added value news products. They do have a fairly reasonable policy of 10 free articles per month. And in doing that they leave themselves open to the work around you suggest. Would you recommend they discontinue that nice porous paywall because of cretons like you? The good news for them is you are not really their customer and you still get to see their advertisements while you gloat over your cleverness.

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    1. Re:Wow what an ahole by GTRacer · · Score: 1

      The good news for them is you are not really their customer and you still get to see their advertisements while you gloat over your cleverness.

      Do you honestly think the sort of person who is playing the system this way *isn't* running an adblocker/Noscript?

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  20. Don't know if I believe it by Coldeagle · · Score: 1

    I know my college offers a "free" digital subscription to NYT's. I wonder if they're counting the ones that they give out to schools? I know that's how I get mine...and my college not an ivy league or anything. I would be curious to see how many of the 1 million are paid subscriptions...

  21. 1M Digital by rossdee · · Score: 1

    So thats 1048576 in decimal

  22. Spin by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    Not just the editorial spin. News outlets -- almost all news outlets,as well as places like Facebook -- spin content (at least) five additional ways.

    First, simply by the choice of what they cover. I think that's fairly obvious, but I'll elaborate if it turns out not to be.

    Second, by how they cover it. Some examples:

    o Giving "equal consideration" to the ridiculous and absurd, such as anti-vaxxing, often anecdote-driven
    o The opposite: Ignoring valid viewpoints (presuming the viewpoint of the paper/author is profound truth)
    o Treating superstition as if it was valid (this is essentially straight-up pandering... lots of superstition out there)
    o Gullible parroting: "Government said so, so it's true"
    o Failure to look at root causes (guns instead of culture is a common one recently)
    o Presenting a completely skewed view as outright agitprop (Fox News is a poster child for this)

    Third, by picking and choosing who can advertise. Again, pretty obvious.

    Fourth, by over-controlling the comment stream. Not deleting/blocking trolls -- abusive posts, etc., but deleting/blocking well-written points of view that don't agree with the news source's take.

    Fifth, by locking out voices they don't want to hear from -- felons, etc. Facebook is the poster child for this, just read their terms of service for an eye-opener.

    There may very well be others I've not picked up on, too.

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  23. Pith on them, then. by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    All news sources are biased, but the big ones are at least reasonably consistent about it.

    That is a significant insight. Pulls quite a few truths, and implied consequences of those truths, together in one pithy remark. Kudos, sir. :)

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  24. No wonder people are clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    NYT and other mainstream USA news sources are the propaganda arm of the USA government. Noam Chomsky documented their excessive pro-government nonsense in "Manufacturing Consent" and nothing has changed in the decades since. They're more than happy to publish article after article citing anonymous "high ranking" officials in the government and treating the info as the gospel. They simply publish the stories based on info they get from their unnamed sources in government without the slightest hint of skepticism, let alone any attempt to confirm or dispute the information. The most egregious example was their selling of the "WMD in Iraq" and "Mushroom Cloud" bullshit in the days leading up to the invasion.
    Glenn Greenwald has done numerous articles exposing the MSM and the NYT in particular for being willing accomplices in spreading the official government narrative at the expense of the truth and their practice of obfuscating rather than investigating the facts.
    Just today Greenwald (theintercept.com) reported on the Times' ridiculous propagandizing over the USA government bombing of the MSF facility in Afghanistan. The "Ministry of Truth" would be envious at the Times' ability to divert, distract and deflect from the real issue while simultaneously masquerading as a genuine information source.

    They'd have to pay me to be a subscriber.

    1. Re:No wonder people are clueless by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      They're more than happy to publish article after article citing anonymous "high ranking" officials...

      And yet here you are posting as AC. You're probably too stupid to realise how ridiculous your post is...

  25. Truly amazing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is truly amazing how many people will pay for their crap! FWIW, when I was an active investor I had a digital subscription to the WSJ, until Murdock took it over and ruined the publication. 900,000 people subscribe to the digital WSJ and 1M to the NYT? The old saying about saying about fools and their money comes to mind here.

  26. Different Job Descriptions by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Speaking as a university professor this is not really correct. As a physicist I can certainly do scientific research but that is not the same as investigating human behaviour since humans, and especially politicians, have been known to lie, hide information, behave irrationally etc. You also run into ethical issues if try to run experiments on them. This is why you do not see many scientists moonlighting as police detectives or, indeed, as journalists.

    In addition we are not particularly skilled at writing things down in a way which draws the reader in and captivates their attention. Have you ever read a scientific paper? It's designed to impart a great deal of precise information not entertain and inform the reader.