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Fullstack Launches Coding School For Women (sdtimes.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Fullstack is tackling technology's diversity problem in its latest venture. The coding schooling has announced a new coding school dedicated to women. Named after computer science pioneer Grace Hopper, the Grace Hopper academy aims to provide women with high-quality coding education, and won't ask for tuition until the student finds a job post-graduation. "Technology has become intrinsic in our daily routines, regardless of gender, but the tech industry remains exceedingly male-dominated," said David Yang, cofounder of Fullstack Academy. "We have always been inspired by innovation and it seems peculiar that an industry revolutionized by a pioneer like Grace Hopper would remain so divided along gender lines."

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  1. Nothing is stopping women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's make dominated because males are more interested in the introverted nature of coding. An all-woman school doesn't solve that problem. Women have to want to code, has nothing to do with the culture.

    1. Re: Nothing is stopping women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can't speak for women as a straight white male. Check your privilege.

      Straight black males get to speak for women? How about gay white men?

    2. Re: Nothing is stopping women by sjwt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Since we allowed the feminists and SJW to preach about how male centered and female unfriendly STEM is, the rates of females entering has lowered.

      Stop telling women the industry hates them, stop telling them even if they succeed in university they won't get a job and just maybe we will reach the lovely higher levels of women in computers taht we had back in the highly egalitarian and social wonderlander that was the 1960's

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    3. Re:Nothing is stopping women by sjwt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is this like how for years women have preached how hard it is to get a job in STEM, when infact they pretty much breezed into work straight past all their male counterparts?

      Remindes me of a mates wife, she spent a whole 3 weeks unemployed and was devastated in 10 job applications she only got 2 interviews, and was ready to GIVE UP due the how hard the job market was, on the flip side, I had held 2 jobs for 15 years, 7 years kitchen hand out of school in the recession, and 8 year in warehousing, in the warehouse job I made warehouse manger in 3 and half years.

      I spent 2 years unemployed, couldn't get a job in hospitality, warehousing or management, 20+ applications a week, with real effort put into them, hell I even sought help with my applications and resumes only to be told "I cant believe you didn't even get a call back" from companies specializing in resumes.

      We hear about how 7 publishers turned down harry potter, no one talks about how plenty of men send out stories to literally *every* publisher only to get all of them turned down but the last one.

      There are really good female Authors out there, and they did the hard yards to get their place, just like most of the men, they didn't wake up one day and try to jump in head first, a lot of contemporary writers male and female have worked years, from the ground up, slaving at short stories, getting a name and a fan base to be able to find someone willing to risk the money to publish a book.

      Anne McCaffrey is my second favorite Author, and the author of my two most loved books, she has been published since the NIGHTING FIFTIES under her female name, no need to hide it, no need to care, and if you think that today's world is a boys club, then imagine science fiction back then.

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    4. Re:Nothing is stopping women by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If your hypothesis is correct this school will be a huge failure and struggle to get students. Let's see what happens.

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    5. Re: Nothing is stopping women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're lousy even at sarcasm.

    6. Re: Nothing is stopping women by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Discrimination and segregation are discrimination and segregation no matter which direction they're employed.

  2. Again?! by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Haven't we had enough of this SJW crap for the month?

    1. Re:Again?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not sure this is really social justice. Imagine if there were schools just for african-americans. This is more like segregation.

  3. Yknow what else is male dominated? by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Homelessness, suicide, prison, and all of the worst and most dangerous jobs.

    Yknow what isn't male dominated?

    Education, start to finish and top to bottom. Nearly 2/3rds of college graduates are women and women dominate virtually every single aspect of the education system from pre-K through college.

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    1. Re:Yknow what else is male dominated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... suicide....

      On second thought, there's some merit to the comparison. I've done all four of the above.

      So does that make you a ghost writer?

    2. Re:Yknow what else is male dominated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... training to get men out of those dangerous jobs into better ones? ...

      So who's going to do the work then? Unless you're advocating we send women into jobs laden with grime, long hours and a real risk of sudden death? I'm looking forward to that equality but I won't hold my breath

      ... suicide prevention schemes ...

      A suicide-prevention program for men was set-up in my country. 2 years later it became a unisex program even though the 80% of victims are male. A homeless assistance program was set-up, and it spoke of the benefit to women (in gender-neutral language), when once again, most people living under a bridge are male. A male-only problem like testicular cancer, which has a mortality rate equal to breast cancer, still gets a PSA campaign once every 15 years.

      ... feminists trying to make the world a better place ...

      You really think the loudest feminists are trying to make the world a better place? The loudest feminists are demanding socialism with panties, that excludes half the population. What those MRAs are complaining about, is the lies loud feminists tell to justify their victim status. Or the MRA is emphasizing the double standard of the violent feminists claiming their self-importance justifies any means. Little surprise 68% of women don't want to "feminists". Some of those women are mothers now seeing their own sons being harassed by the education system.

    3. Re:Yknow what else is male dominated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And now you're trolling.

      You've already been informed how Earl Silverman attempted the first all male shelter for domestic violence in Canada, and feminist petitioned the government to deny them equal standing with regards to state funding. It ended in his suicide.

      And of course there is all the attempts to set up men centers on collage campuses that get opposed by feminist, some times violently.

      And just getting a group togetherr to speak on male issues ends in scenes like this:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvOxsnvSXs

      And you have the temerity to suggest MRAs aren't attempting to help themselves? It would be far easier without the constant interference by feminist.

      And as far as suicide prevention schemes, look no further than:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/20/us/marine-battalion-veterans-scarred-by-suicides-turn-to-one-another-for-help.html?_r=0

      Now shut the fuck up.

    4. Re:Yknow what else is male dominated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You seem to be bringing this up like I don't already know. Hence my questions. Given the number and volume of MRAs where are these places to help men? Men certainly need them, but the so-called activists aren't actually doing anything active like putting in the hours to help.

      Men don't have the assistance that women do to form these organizations and provide these services. They push for it and are labeled as sexists, woman-haters, violent, racist, and so on. There are men, for example, who have been fighting to get organizations on campus to help with mens' issues (like depression and suicide) as well as men's domestic violence shelters. They are pushed out of the discussion on campus when trying to do this. Labeled "sexist racist rapists" by the feminist organizations on campus and driven away. There are no male domestic violence shelters in canada and the government refuses to aid them in establishing anything when they seek assistance in doing so.

      You're basically plugging your ears so you can't hear anyone and then saying "well, why didn't you say something?".

    5. Re:Yknow what else is male dominated? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No, men don't "need" them. Men generally deal with violence, abuse, and emotions differently from women.

      Well done for speaking for all men. See it's people like you who are the problem, not feminists. If anyone tries to help men, it's other men shouting them down loudly proclaiming that "men don't need it" because "men are different from women". Also, well done for dragging women into the debate about whether men need something. It's funny how people like you seem unable to drag gender into absolutely everything.

      Ultimately though, I really, really hope you're not a men's rights activist because with friends like you, who needs enemies?

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    6. Re:Yknow what else is male dominated? by _merlin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But straight away you go and blame it on "toxic masculinity" - you're labelling men as the problem again. You're not interested in anything that would support men, only in demonising them.

  4. Not Helping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "We have always been inspired by innovation and it seems peculiar that an industry revolutionized by a pioneer like Grace Hopper would remain so divided along gender lines."

    They say as they further divide the industry along gender lines. It's the new separate but equal.

  5. Generally women don't want to code; get a new icon by SensitiveMale · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Women generally don't want to code. That's why every SWJ brings up Grace Hopper as THE icon. Yeah, I know about the pic of the woman that coded the lunar landing and the code that's stacked taller than see is. So that's two.

    Look people, most women don't want to code. It's ok. Nothing wrong with that. Stop forcing things because you think a 50/50 split is the only "fair" way.

    Oh, and asking someone to pay afterwards only if she gets a job is a FANTASTIC economic plan.

  6. I wonder what would happen if.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder what would happen if someone started a school specifically for men for a female dominated trade? For example hairdressing or nail painting?

    How long would it take for someone to yell sexist at them and say that it is wrong and should not be allowed?

    Double standards much?

    1. Re:I wonder what would happen if.. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's amazing how people get so outraged at something that's never happened.

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  7. So let's just perpetuate segregation, shall we? by mark-t · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For fuck's sake, you can't create gender equality out of thin air by just adding more gender segregation.... I mean, I get what they are trying to do... trying to "balance" the imbalance by adding more imbalance in what might superficially appear to be the opposite direction, but at the end of the day still amounts to people either being treated differently or feeling treated differently on account of some aspect of their person that should in actuality be entirely irrelevant to the subject at hand.

    Whether a person is a man or woman should have absolutely no bearing on whether they are interested in computer programming or how competent at it they might be, and there should be absolutely no reason that a person's gender should *EVER* factor into what kind of computer science education options are available to them.

    However idealistic the intentions might be behind this, I perceive that they are ultimately counterproductive to the long-term goal of gender equality.

    1. Re:So let's just perpetuate segregation, shall we? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No you'd don't create gender equality that way.

      This isn't aimed at equality. None of these programs are.

      And remember: all the shit jobs are occupied by men. "equality" is all about giving special hand ups for women into jobs that no-one has ever stopped them going into. Even women who are wealthy and privileged still claim to be victims - see the recent Hollywood whining.

      Frankly it's long past due when men started exercising their democratic right and pulling their votes completely from any party that supports this nonsense. It's the only way it'll begin to put the brakes on it.

    2. Re:So let's just perpetuate segregation, shall we? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Solution to what? That implies there is a problem, but women not wanting programming jobs is not a problem, unless you desperately need more programmers so that you can pay them less. Women don't want to work in mines, on oil rigs or behind the wheel of a truck either. And that is not a problem either. You SJWs are not fighting for women. You are fighting against men and hurting women at the same time. You are creating hostility and segregation in our place of work. So FUCK OFF.

  8. Re:Recall Women's Participation Used to Be Higher by kuzb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only thing that is regressive and ugly going on here is the fat that dipshits like you are inventing problems where they do not exist. Women are more than welcome to write software. Any woman who manages to excel at writing software will be celebrated. This idea that we have to fucking raise people above us simply because of their gender is ludicrous and wrong.

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  9. Going into tech? Stop! by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't matter if you have a penis or not, going into tech right now is a fool's game. They do their best to outsource all of those jobs. The only reason the industry wants women to get into tech is that they want more humans to get into tech to keep the supply high and the wages low.

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  10. Treating women like children? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, stop treating women like special-needs children who are helpless and confused and in dire need of "adult" guidance.

    This kind of thing (ostensibly done with the best of intentions) treats them as if they don't have the intelligence to make their own choices and decisions concerning their career path.

    What these "women only" courses and programs are saying essentially is that women are too fragile or delicate or sensitive to survive in the usual job/school environment, which is kind of insulting if you think about it at all.

    The vast majority of women I know are intelligent, capable people who would do just fine if special interest groups would just stop treating them like not-too-bright babies in a room full of sharp objects.

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  11. Re:Recall Women's Participation Used to Be Higher by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That was a random comment via Twitter, wasn't it? I think everyone knows that the internet can be extremely toxic. People say all sorts of nasty shit when they're anonymous, especially regarding women. That's a real issue that we need to work on as a society, but I think it's a different issue than discrimination in the workplace.

    To me, the important question is: does she feel discriminated against in any way at work because she's a woman? According to her tagline for the ad in question, she appeared to think her team was awesome and smart. That doesn't sound like someone fighting discrimination at work to me.

    I'm not saying discrimination against women doesn't happen. I just don't believe that discrimination alone could explain the massive gender gap we see. Why would programmers be so much more institutionally sexist than other white-collar professions in which there's a closer gender balance (say, doctors)? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

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