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First Cancer Case Confirmed From Fukushima Cleanup (nhk.or.jp)

AmiMoJo writes: Japan's labor ministry has confirmed the first cancer case related to work at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant. Following on from reports of elevated levels of child cancer and 1,600 civilians deaths from the evacuation, this is the first time that one of the 44,000 people involved in the clean up operation has been diagnosed with cancer resulting directly from the accident. The worker was involved in recovery and cleanup efforts at the plant after it suffered a meltdown in March, 2011. He was in his late 30s at the time, and has been diagnosed with leukemia. The ministry has approved workers' compensation. Radiation exposure has been linked to the onset of leukemia.

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  1. Related? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It takes a lot longer than 4 years for irradiation-related cancers to form.

    1. Re:Related? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only link this cancer has to Fukushima is that "it can't be ruled out". Of course we can't prove the negative, but based our many years of studying radiation exposure at these levels, there is a much greater likelihood that this was just another case of cancer, and not caused by exposure at Fukushima.

      Unfortunately out of thousands of people, there are going to be cancer cases (1.5% leukimia rate in the US), and so of the thousands of workers (over 45,000 according to reports) that have been at Fukushima, there are going to be some people with cancers, and some with leukemia. But one thing is for certain, every single case will come with the "cannot be ruled out" disclaimer, and get misleading headlines.

      An accurate headline should read, "one person out of 45,000 that have worked on Fukushima recovery has developed cancer". In the US , approximately 1.5% of people will be diagnosed with leukemia, and it is more common in men than women. Did this guy smoke cigarettes? The risk is higher if he did. The news reports ignore important stuff like this. In a given group of 45,000 people, we should expect to see over 10 cases of Leukemia per year, but we've only seen one in 3-4 years. Why is that?

      According to established radiation science and statistics, it is highly unlikely that this cancer is from exposure at Fukushima. He might be lucky that he and his family will receive significant compensation, unlike the many Leukemia sufferers who never worked at Fukushima.

      Lets all hope he can get top notch treatment and beat it, and same for the many other Leukemia sufferers that don't get the headlines or the compensation.

    2. Re:Related? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      that depends certainly upon the irradiation level... and some of the Fuk workers received a pretty high irradiation dose.

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    3. Re:Related? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      that depends certainly upon the irradiation level... and some of the Fuk workers received a pretty high irradiation dose.

      No, none of them got high doses.

    4. Re:Related? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2, Informative
      w

      According to TEPCO, seven TEPCO workers were exposed to radiation over the limit of 100 millisievert by the morning of 20 March

      And it's "According to Tepco" ....

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    5. Re:Related? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 0

      "It takes a lot longer than 4 years for irradiation-related cancers to form."

      That's why we're still waiting for the "millions of cancers from Chernobyl" after all these years. The form of radiation that causes the most cancers, year after year, remains sunlight.

    6. Re:Related? by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The form of radiation that causes the most cancers, year after year, remains sunlight.

      That's a good point.

      I also suggest, if we're going to report this sort of thing, that we start reporting every time someone dies from disease due to a coal plant.

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    7. Re:Related? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1.5% of 45k is still 675 people that will have lukimia

    8. Re:Related? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      That's a good point

      Really? w

      In the aftermath of the accident, 237 people suffered from acute radiation sickness (ARS), of whom 31 died within the first three months (...) over 6000 cases of thyroid cancer have been reported

      Stop waiting.

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    9. Re:Related? by cirby · · Score: 2

      The worker mentioned in the story had a total dose of about 20 millisieverts, and included his work at another plant plus the Fukushima dose. Some reports made it seem higher, but they were adding the 15.7 mSv in twice.

      One worker, who was exposed to 670 mSv, has about a seven percent higher chance of developing cancer sometime in his life. The rest had smaller doses.

      On the other hand, two workers died from heart attacks brought on by heat exhaustion caused by the radiation suits.

    10. Re:Related? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      The only link this cancer has to Fukushima is that "it can't be ruled out".

      Well, at least the Fukushima workers now have ironclad anti-cancer insurance. Any condition any of them develop will be automatically assumed to have come from Fukushima, and Tepco will be on the hook.....

      Also, hopefully, they were all given some sort of short-term compensation and much extra hazard pay for all the perceived hazards they endured.

    11. Re:Related? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      w

      According to TEPCO, seven TEPCO workers were exposed to radiation over the limit of 100 millisievert by the morning of 20 March

      And it's "According to Tepco" ....

      LMFAO!!!!!

      You are quoting Wikipedia as a reliable source for your bullshit.

      Fucking hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    12. Re:Related? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      ok, you're right I'm wrong lol

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    13. Re:Related? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Still, sunlight is the most important source of radiation caused cancer by far.

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    14. Re:Related? by dwywit · · Score: 1

      An accurate headline should read, "one person out of 45,000 that have worked on Fukushima recovery has developed cancer". In the US , approximately 1.5% of people will be diagnosed with leukemia, and it is more common in men than women. Did this guy smoke cigarettes? The risk is higher if he did. The news reports ignore important stuff like this. In a given group of 45,000 people, we should expect to see over 10 cases of Leukemia per year, but we've only seen one in 3-4 years. Why is that?

      That's a very good question, but it's a bit misleading to quote U.S. statistics - it might be different in Japan. There are countries with significantly higher/lower rates of particular cancers (and other diseases) for various reasons, and we should be quoting the "normal" rate for this cancer in Japan, not the USofA.

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    15. Re:Related? by Cyberax · · Score: 2

      Nobody disputes the deaths from acute radiation sickness cases. However, "millions of cancer patients" have not materialized.

    16. Re: Related? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are off by a factor of 100.
      43000 people in USA are diagnosed with leukemia. Out of over 300 million.

      It's about 0.013%
      Not 1.5%

    17. Re:Related? by Imrik · · Score: 1

      Whether he deserves the payout is a different issue from how the media should cover it.

    18. Re:Related? by Imrik · · Score: 2

      That's 675 people that would have leukemia whether they were part of the cleanup or not.

    19. Re:Related? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      1:44000 cancer rate is much better than the general population. Statistically, it sounds more like radiation prevents cancer. Statistically, there should be about 200 cancer cases in that 44000, and 10 or so of them leukemia.. Or are there 201/11 cases, so the last one is being assigned to the cleanup, and we aren't hearing about the other 200 because people don't understand statistics, so the truth is kept from us for our own protection?

    20. Re:Related? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      It's impossible to assign a single cancer death to any diffuse cause such as pollution or radiation. Three people were "confirmed" dead at Fukushima: two drowned when the tsunami came over the seawall, and one was in a high crane on the property that tipped over during the earthquake.

    21. Re:Related? by fnj · · Score: 1, Interesting

      seven TEPCO workers were exposed to radiation over the limit of 100 millisievert

      And you conclude that because the exposure was higher than the allowed limit it must have been "high"?

      3500-4500 millisievert (sources vary) is "high". That is the LD50 for near term lethality with no medical intervention.
      2000 is "high". That is LD10 and causes haemmorhage.
      1000 is borderline. Practically nobody dies. Mild sickness.
      200 is not high. Temporary reduction in white cell count is about it.

      100? No detectable gross effects. Most definitely not "high" in any meaningful sense. The occupational annual exposure limit in the US for workers in the industry is 50. They just went moderately over that. There are places on the earth where the natural background approaches 40.

    22. Re:Related? by Harlequin80 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      According to here - http://ganjoho.jp/en/professio... the highest incidence rate recorded in Japan for Leukemia was 10.6 cases per 100,000 which occurred in men in 2010. Over the prior 25 years it ranged from 4.5 to the peak of 10.6 but interestingly all the lower counts are early in the records. So either instances of Leukemia have doubled or instances of diagnosis have double (or combination of course).

      So realistically we would expect to see between 2 and around 5 cases of Leukemia in the given population. Once you get above 5-6 per year you would definitely argue that there had been an impact.
       

    23. Re:Related? by sFurbo · · Score: 2

      You also need to take into account random variability. It seems* that you need to have above 8 cases per year for it to be statistically significant for a single year, but if it is a persistent pattern, less will do.

      *Unless I have made a mistake in my statistics, which is really likely. To get a conservative estimate, I used the binomial distribution with 45000 trials and a change of success in each at 0.0001, and then checked at what number of successes the cumulative probability of getting more successes was below 0.05. Please correct me if I am in error :-)

    24. Re:Related? by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      The form of radiation that causes the most cancers, year after year, remains sunlight.

      That's a good point

      Really? w

      In the aftermath of the accident, 237 people suffered from acute radiation sickness (ARS), of whom 31 died within the first three months (...) over 6000 cases of thyroid cancer have been reported

      So, 6000 cases of cancer over 30 years, which is around 200 per year. Are you saying that there are less then 200 cases of skin cancer per year worldwide? Even if all of those 6000 cases where in the same year, the number of skin cancer cases, most of which are caused by the sun, would dwarf that number.

    25. Re:Related? by ModelX · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      According to established radiation science and statistics, it is highly unlikely that this cancer is from exposure at Fukushima. He might be lucky that he and his family will receive significant compensation, unlike the many Leukemia sufferers who never worked at Fukushima.

      Is this the same established science that claimed the reactors were in cold shutdown while in reality there were at least 3 meltdowns, meltouts and one nuclear fizzle including plutonium-enriched MOX fuel?

      I hear the fish in northern Pacific don't agree with your trust in established science and statistics.

      I can smell the fear of nuclear establishment trembling for their positions. If humanity had any sense of reality of the situation then the current "stone-age" reactors would all be shut down and the nuclear scientists put back to research mode.

    26. Re:Related? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't take the age of the cleanup workers into consideration.

    27. Re:Related? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      http://www.cancerresearchuk.or...

      No need, my numbers are accurate, so long as most of the cleaners weren't retired, called up for a cleaning.

    28. Re:Related? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The causal link can never be proven, but the worker in question was exposed to a dose over the legal limit during the clean-up operation. The deal was always that in exchange for taking on this risk, if workers developed cancer later they would be looked after and compensated.

      The news report states this clearly:

      Ministry experts determined that he was likely to have contracted leukemia following cleanup work at Fukushima Daiichi. They found he had been exposed to a total of 19.8 millisieverts of radiation from his work at various plants. He was exposed to 15.7 millisieverts at the Fukushima plant.

      Compensation is granted if a nuclear power plant worker has been exposed to annual radiation of 5 milliseverts and has developed cancer more than a year afterward.

      They are applying the agreed rules, and in any case determined that there likely is a causal link. Keep in mind that it's not just the dose, it's the type of exposure. Workers at the plant likely ended up with material inside their bodies, where it is much more likely to cause cancer than with external exposure.

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    29. Re:Related? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      That is a gross oversimplification. Receiving a dose of 200uSv via exposure to something like x-rays is very different to being exposed to 200uSv that includes particulate matter that will accumulate inside the body. The former is a one time "hit", the latter is much more likely to lead to cancer because the material can sit inside the body slowly damaging DNA.

      Sadly that XKCD chart and nonsense like the "banana equivalent dose" have spread a lot of misinformation about this. Not all types of radiation exposure are equal.

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    30. Re:Related? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      No, they did not determine there is a causal link, the author of this particular article you chose did write it so as to mislead you into believing. Read some other articles that more accurately explain it please.

    31. Re: Related? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      You are off by a factor of 100. 43000 people in USA are diagnosed with leukemia. Out of over 300 million.

      It's about 0.013% Not 1.5%

      No,

      Approximately 1.5 percent of men and women will be diagnosed with leukemia at some point during their lifetime

      http://seer.cancer.gov/statfac... Of course, leukemia kills many of its victims rather quickly, so at any given time there is not 1.5 percent of the population with leukemia.

    32. Re:Related? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      There is a difference in the statistics, so it is good you point this out. The 1.5% US stat is the probability to contract Leukemia in one's lifetime, the incidence rate in Japan you cite is the number of new cases of Leukemia in a given year. Yours is the better number to use. Thanks.

    33. Re:Related? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      I smell your fear or anything labelled 'radioactive'. Have any facts to back up you assertions? Don't bother, I know the answer.

    34. Re: Related? by djdarko · · Score: 1

      Your assertion is wholly unconvincing sans citations. Care to provide links to your source material, or are you simply trying to push you anti-nuclear, anti-government agenda?

    35. Re:Related? by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      According to established radiation science and statistics,

      Citation please. Specifically which statistics and which science are you referring to?

      it is highly unlikely that this cancer is from exposure at Fukushima

      Really. You're suggesting a man working at a site containing three exploded Nuclear Reactors in some form of melt down is *unlikely* to have contracted cancer from being exposed to the variety of radionuclides absorbed there. That is truly a breathtaking leap of faith considering you don't know what work he did there and how long he did it for. Instead, you're saying we should be looking at his personal life for a *more likely cause* like smoking cigarettes. Now there is a potent warning against the dangers of cigarettes.

      Perhaps we shouldn't rule out the possibility of exposure to highly soluble plutonium chloride created when sea water was pumped into the reactor cores to cool them. Coincidentally it is an iron analogue that would probably circulate in the blood as a highly energetic alpha emitter were you to absorb enough of it.

      Lets all hope he can get top notch treatment and beat it, and same for the many other Leukemia sufferers that don't get the headlines or the compensation.

      Well there is something we can agree on. These people risked being exposed to the highly energetic elements ejected when those three reactors exploded and worked there for days and months after the disaster. No one really knows how much material was there and because of their work we are all indebted to them for the situation not becoming any worse. I hope every single one of them and their families are looked after for the rest of their lives.

      TEPCO executives may have been assholes, however the TEPCO workers are real life heros.

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    36. Re:Related? by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

      It's really hard to say, I think - the radiation exposure it possibly a risk factor. But how long does it take from exposure to detection of cancer is a detail I'm not sure about.

      If you consider, for example, the connection between having sex and having a baby (and for the sake of example, ignore all the signs in between), and you took a sample of women who had babies three months after having sex, you could perhaps conclude that there is no relationships between having sex and having a baby.

      Is 4 1/2 years enough time after the radiation exposure for cancer to develop and be detected?

      You will be able to get far better statistics by looking at your Fukushima population in say 2030 and comparing your cancer rate to the general population.

    37. Re:Related? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But he really really wants it to be true. This is finally bulletproof evidence that his anti-nuclear stance was correct after all. Reading less biased and misleading sources would ruin that.

    38. Re:Related? by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      It's really hard to say, I think - the radiation exposure it possibly a risk factor.

      It's not radiation exposure so much as the absorption of radionuclides from the reactors. From the amount of seawater used to cool the plant plutonium chloride is extremely likely to have been created.

      But how long does it take from exposure to detection of cancer is a detail I'm not sure about.

      Is 4 1/2 years enough time after the radiation exposure for cancer to develop and be detected?

      From what I've learned about Chernobyl, I was expecting six years. I really hope it is unrelated because for it to be this early it is concerning about how much and how energetic the elements released were. Only TEPCO can tell us.

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    39. Re:Related? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      When you don't have facts, clam conspiracy and cover up. 'only TEPCO knows' is utter bullshit. There are plenty of surveys of area contamination and details are published annually (link below). Exposures are tightly monitored. You can measure internal contamination quite easily, it is done in portal monitors every time a worker leaves the site.

      http://www-pub.iaea.org/books/...

    40. Re:Related? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Here is something to help you better gauge the risks. The exposure received by this worker is closer to the zero mark than the next mark above it (250).

      http://jmsc.hku.hk/sites/healt...

    41. Re:Related? by KGIII · · Score: 2

      Sadly, they won't. I've noticed their posts since they decided I was their foe. She simply refuses to look at, confirm, or accept any contrary evidence and will repeat the same thing in another thread - even when given proof that the opposite is true. They appear to be an otherwise thinking person but some subjects make them immune to facts. It's kind of pathetic when you can't admit you're wrong and continue to spout the same drivel over and over again as if it's factual. To pat myself on the back, I'm wrong so often that I've acclimated to it.

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    42. Re:Related? by gdshaw · · Score: 2

      That is a gross oversimplification. Receiving a dose of 200uSv via exposure to something like x-rays is very different to being exposed to 200uSv that includes particulate matter that will accumulate inside the body. The former is a one time "hit", the latter is much more likely to lead to cancer because the material can sit inside the body slowly damaging DNA.

      If you believe in the linear no-threshold model then it makes no difference whether the dose is received in a single hit or an extended time period.

      Those who doubt LNT usually suspect a dose-response curve that goes in the opposite direction to what you are suggesting.

      Particulate exposure could conceivably be worse for you due to the exposure being localised to one part of the body, but that has nothing to do with the timescale over which the dose is spread.

      Sadly that XKCD chart and nonsense like the "banana equivalent dose" have spread a lot of misinformation about this.

      The main issue with the concept of a "banana equivalent dose" is homeostasis of potassium levels, which again has nothing to do with any of the points above.

    43. Re:Related? by KGIII · · Score: 2

      Some Wikipedia "facts."

      Radiation can cause cancer in most parts of the body, in all animals, and at any age, although radiation-induced solid tumors usually take 10–15 years, and can take up to 40 years, to become clinically manifest, and radiation-induced leukemias typically require 2–10 years to appear.

      Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      I, umm, didn't even read the summary completely so I don't have a point or anything. I'm just including this so that we have some actual facts that can be cited. Hell, I'm not even sure who the facts support. However, now we have some because I was, for once, not lazy. You're welcome. I don't know if they're the correct facts or even the information needed but, damn it, we've got data!

      Now back to your regularly scheduled poop flinging and screeching.

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    44. Re:Related? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Which is why you're on my 'friends' list. It's funny to see the people who double down on their mistakes. They'll insist their right. They're almost as bad as the ones who don't reply - you know, damned well, they got automatic reply notifications.

      It's a lot easier, and honest, to just admit you're wrong and learn something. This is not a bad thing. It's a good thing to learn something - and even to change your opinions or course of action based on new information. Yet, somehow, this is seen as a bad thing. I do not know why, I can only presume it is ego but I can't understand why others appear to cheer it on or support it. As mentioned in another thread, it's as silly as people getting mad when some politician changes their view based on new information. No! They learned something! How evil!!!

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    45. Re:Related? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Some of these people feel they are justified in misleading and misrepresenting, because of their "cause". They don't care about their credibility as they know they will continue to to find followers and those that simply accept what they say. We find some of those folks right here on Slashdot as well. And if you present them with facts, in the end they can just claim conspiracy and coverup.

      It is very frustrating.

    46. Re:Related? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The way I look at it, I never need to lose an argument, by as soon as I realize I'm wrong, switch to the other side and then I'm winning again.
      It sucks to be wrong, but it sucks more to remain wrong.

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    47. Re: Related? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wonder what she might say later on when there's thousands of wind farms all over destroying nature... All just because if its marked radioactive the world will end....

      If we are to care about the environment we should force all coalplants to close and build new (and improved) reactors... That's probably the only way we can keep the 2 degree limit of global warming... ...
      Maybe she should lookup how many people that dies per year because of coal.. And how much land that destroys..

    48. Re:Related? by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      However, now we have some because I was, for once, not lazy. You're welcome. I don't know if they're the correct facts or even the information needed but, damn it, we've got data!

      First of all, they aren't your claims to support, but thanks for trying. MrDfrom63 has to be able to prove the statements he made aren't "bullshit", the onus of proof is on him.

      You however are missing the difference between radiation and radionuclides, in particular which ones and their quantity. I suspect plutonium chloride so, they are the incorrect "facts" to support the OP's "bullshitting".

      Now back to your regularly scheduled poop flinging and screeching.

      An ad hom attack before engaging in any dialogue is the typical response of someone who has no argument to offer. Perhaps if you educated yourself about how soluble plutonium chloride is and where in the body you would expect it to accumulate considering it is an iron analogue we may have been able to have a polite conversation.

      Instead I'll let you get back to your kool-aid as it is unlikely you have anything constructive to add.

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    49. Re:Related? by MrKaos · · Score: 1
      Great that you don't disagree with anything else I had to say there. I see you foaming at the mouth already at three words:

      [sic] When you don't have facts, clam conspiracy and cover up. 'only TEPCO knows' is utter bullshit.

      You need look no further than the Japanese governments own inquiry for that opinion:

      The TEPCO Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant accident was the result of collusion between the government, the regulators and TEPCO, and the lack of governance by said parties. They effectively betrayed the nation’s right to be safe from nuclear accidents. Therefore, we conclude that the accident was clearly “manmade.”

      See it's not me saying the word "collusion", it's the *official* investigation.

      If you read that report you'll find sentences like "were aware of the risk of core damage from tsunami" and "nor did TEPCO take any protective steps against such an occurrence. "

      And here is another one "In order to get evidence of this collusion, the Commission was forced to exercise our legislative right to demand such information from NISA, after NISA failed to respond to several requests"

      So before you go waving your fatty finger at me, I suggest you get a better understanding of the facts. We already have positive proof that TEPCO do not disclose information and official evidence that they engage in cover ups.

      http://www-pub.iaea.org/books/...

      Thanks for the link, I'll make a point of reading it so I can excoriate you with it later. More than likely you've done a 30 second google search, you haven't read it and, you just want to look like you are in some possesion of facts. So care to point me to where in that 1200 odd pages of a report, by an agency who promotes nuclear power, should look to find support of your claims? It should be easy, but I doubt you can.

      Exposures are tightly monitored.

      So is information and I will provide you with some context. According to the IAEA's founding papers "The agency shall seek to accelerate and enlarge the contribution of atomic energy to peace, health and prosperity through the world." Since you are so intent on claims of a cover up I'll draw your attention to the interdiction clause (12.40) the IAEA has over the WHO drawn up on 28 May 1959, at the 12th World Health Assembly:

      "Whenever either organisation [the WHO or the IAEA] proposes to initiate a programme or activity on a subject in which the other organisation has or may have a substantial interest, the first party shall consult the other with a view to adjusting the matter by mutual agreement"

      In other words, the WHO grants the right of prior approval over any research it might undertake or report on to the IAEA , widely known in the scientific community as the instrument that gags their work. Unless of course you beleive the IAEA has an interest in malaria or Aids research it has effectively gagged the WHO from reporting on health matters Nuclear.

      Consequently the facts reveal your ignorance with very little effort on my part. Since you have very little manners, it is a service that is my pleasure to provide.

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    50. Re:Related? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      uggh. You are saying TEPCO is covering up dose information but point to a report that says nothing of that sort, and doesn't even cover the timeframe since the event. We know the exposure information as there is much study that has been going on by multiple parties. So if you want to just point to that report every time you want to fall back on the cover up excuse, there is not much I can do to respond. Bottom line is, we have very good and very detailed exposure and contamination information.

      The IAEA is the expert body on this type of thing. That is why you need to pay attention to their finding and reports. Unlike all those that make un-backed claims or twist data or information, the IAEA publishes the detailed data set, the methods, the formulations of the results, and the results. If you want to dismiss them because they support safe and peaceful use of nuclear technology, then please find another credible body that presents anything close to what they do. The best way for them to support safe and peaceful nuclear is to be accurate and credible. They have proven to be over the years.

      There is no benefit to the nuclear industry or the IAEA to underplay the release data. If they show lower exposure data than reality, and then if the cancer rate is higher than they claim, that would do great damage to the industry. As we have seen, the health impacts of Chernobyl are certainly not worse than the IAEA reports on that event. Since after 75 years of multitudes of studies on radioactive exposures, its clear that the health impacts of exposures as we see from Fukushima event are statistically negligible.

      You can take the holier than thou tact, but you undermine it with dismissal and reliance on cover up claims. I just call it like I see it.

    51. Re:Related? by MrKaos · · Score: 1
      I've shown you mine. You have got nothing - as usual.

      Bottom line is, we have very good and very detailed exposure and contamination information.

      Produce it. The exact pages in the report I should read. Show me the data, show me the evidence.

      You can take the moral superiority tact, but you undermine it with an inability to produce evidence that highlights you are bullshitting. I just call it like I see it.

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    52. Re:Related? by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      According to established radiation science and statistics,

      Citation please. Specifically which statistics and which science are you referring to?

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    53. Re:Related? by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      According to established radiation science and statistics,

      Citation please. Specifically which statistics and which science are you referring to?

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    54. Re:Related? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      The IAEA reports show contamination maps. I'm not sure what else you expect.

    55. Re:Related? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Seriously, I am supposed to cite the thousands of studies performed over the last 75 years?

      I'll help you get started, but the hell if I'll do your work for you.

      https://www.google.com/search?...

    56. Re:Related? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1
      So many studies, here is a summary of just one of the many;

      “It is a solid, unusually large study of individuals exposed to very low doses of ionizing radiation,” says epidemiologist Jørgen Olsen, director of the Danish Cancer Society Research Center in Copenhagen. The finding implies that some cases of leukaemia will even be caused by a high level of natural background radiation, he adds, “though the increased risk for an individual is going to be vanishingly small”.

      http://www.nature.com/news/res...

      And here is a picture, since you don't seem to do any research on your own of the many published and easy to find studies;

      http://hamaoka.chuden.jp/engli...

    57. Re:Related? by MrKaos · · Score: 1
      You clearly don't even know what is relevant and you cannot support your claims. Here is a hint: R.A.D.I.O.N.U.C.L.I.D.E..A.B.S.O.R.P.T.I.O.N

      According to established radiation science and statistics,

      Citation please. Specifically which statistics and which science are you referring to?

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    58. Re:Related? by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Here is something to help you better gauge the risks. The exposure received by this worker is closer to the zero mark than the next mark above it (250). http://jmsc.hku.hk/sites/healt...

      You CLEARLY have no understanding of the differences between radiation and radionuclides and no understanding of external and internal exposure.

      Repeat after me R.A.D.I.O.N.U.C.L.I.D.E..A.B.S.O.R.P.T.I.O.N

      According to established radiation science and statistics,

      Citation please. Specifically which statistics and which science are you referring to?

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    59. Re:Related? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      OK. "Radionuclide Absorption"

      I can say it too. Sounds scary. Do you really think you are on to some big thing that these doctors don't fully understand?

      Contamination & internal exposure is easily monitored. It is fully considered, I assure you. You can find plenty of reference in the IAEA reports.

    60. Re:Related? by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      OK. "Radionuclide Absorption"

      I can say it too. Sounds scary. Do you really think you are on to some big thing that these doctors don't fully understand?

      No, just something you don't understand. You CLEARLY have no understanding of the differences between radiation and radionuclides and no understanding of external and internal exposure.

      Repeat after me R.A.D.I.O.N.U.C.L.I.D.E..A.B.S.O.R.P.T.I.O.N

      Contamination & internal exposure is easily monitored. It is fully considered, I assure you. You can find plenty of reference in the IAEA reports.

      Produce the evidence, the exact pages in the IAEA report.

      According to established radiation science and statistics,

      Citation please. Specifically which statistics and which science are you referring to?

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    61. Re:Related? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      My god, there are hundreds of pages of data in those reports. I don't know what you expect me to research for you, but I'm tired of you ignoring tons of published information and then challenging me about details. I pointed you directly to starting points, but you would rather claim you know some big thing that these established doctors don't. What a waste.

    62. Re:Related? by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Show me your research, I've shown you mine.

      Contamination & internal exposure is easily monitored. It is fully considered, I assure you. You can find plenty of reference in the IAEA reports.

      Produce the evidence, the exact pages in the IAEA report.

      I'll let you into a little secret: I've already done it. That's how I KNOW you are a bullshit artist'e. Now I'm quite tired of your word twisting, mouth mangling bullshit for now, so I'm going to go and stop wasting time on you for a while I do something more interesting.

      Repeat after me R.A.D.I.O.N.U.C.L.I.D.E..A.B.S.O.R.P.T.I.O.N

      MrDfrom63's research: "quickly google: low+dose+radiation"

      ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha,bwaaahahahhahahahabwaaahahahahahahAHAHAhahahAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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    63. Re:Related? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Now you are denying that contamination can be monitored, and need me to provide proof? Please. I suppose you might deny the sun will rise tomorrow as well. Do I need to provide proof of that?

      https://www.google.com/search?...

      https://www.google.com/search?...

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm...

    64. Re:Related? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The guy got more hard radiation than is desirable, but if we're going to talk about possible ingestion of radioactive materials we need to know about the protective gear. Was the guy in a waterproof suit? Did he bring his own air? Were there any failures in his suit? If he was properly suited up at all times, his exposure should be minimal.

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    65. Re:Related? by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Only against the maximum rate that has ever been seen in the population. Your maths is correct but if you base your assumption on the mid point of the range, ie 7.5 you will find that 5-6 cases becomes statistically significant. However like all statistics the conclusions drawn can always be shifted around based on chosen start points.

    66. Re:Related? by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      One of the main reasons that more people are discovered with cancers after such events is quite simply that medics are actively looking for such things vs "ordinary" circumstances, which is a shame as most cancers triggers are chemical, not radiological (even lung cancers related to polonium are more likely to be from the polonium breakdown products than the alpha radiation)

      Along the same lines, the main reason why more people are discovered with cancer these days is simply that more people are living long enough to get cancers in the first place. With a few exceptions we've eliminated almost every other disease that can kill you at a younger age.

    67. Re:Related? by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      Japan has several medical hotspots for problems and none of them are radiation related (Hiroshima and Nagasaki have cancer rates 0.25% above background rates).

      Minimata is one area where the causual link is well known and researched (mercury dumping in the bay). Other areas have similar single point origins.

      Old age is one of the largest "causes" of cancers.... :)

  2. No such confirmation had been made by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Complete nonsense Slashdot as usual.

    His workers compensation was part of his contact.

    Plenty of people get Luekemia.

    There is not a single person in the world who can determine what caused this.

    1. Re: No such confirmation had been made by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Health Physics Society recommends against quantitative estimation of health risks below an individual dose of 50 millisievert (mSv) in one year or a lifetime dose of 100 mSv above that received from natural sources . . . There is substantial and convincing scientific evidence for health risks following high-dose exposures. However, below 50â"100 mSv, risks of health effects are either too small to be observed or are nonexistent."

    2. Re:No such confirmation had been made by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 0

      There are many news articles out on this today. The one linked to in this summary has to be the worst written and most inaccurate one I've seen.

    3. Re:No such confirmation had been made by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And not to mention the 1600 deaths thrown in for effect are not radiation related, and not even from Fukushima, but basically any elderly person who has died in the area since the accident. It is sad that the anti-nuke crowd must rely misleading headlines and twisted statistics. How pathetic they are.

    4. Re:No such confirmation had been made by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No one, including myself who submitted the story, claimed that those deaths were from radiation. They are a result of the nuclear accident though. People has to be evacuated (there was no realistic choice at the time) and lost their homes and communities. 1600 died before they might otherwise have been expected to as a result. That's pretty clear and straight forward.

      Why do the pro-nuke crowd always have to attempt a straw man argument in every debate? Why not address the actual points being raised and defend your pet technology? You could argue that 1600 deaths is worth it for nuclear power, a perfectly rational, if somewhat utilitarian point. You could argue that in Japan the alternatives are worse, something we could debate at length. But no, you went for the straw man, trying to paint people who object to nuclear power as dishonest.

      Maybe you should examine your own actions before making that claim.

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    5. Re:No such confirmation had been made by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      No one, including myself who submitted the story, claimed that those deaths were from radiation.

      No, you don't get off that easy. If you didn't intend to imply it, you would not have written this tagline:

      First Cancer Case Confirmed From Fukushima Cleanup

      You aren't going to get it both ways. Either you intended to imply a link, or you're particularly shitty at English, your second language. Choose one.

    6. Re:No such confirmation had been made by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do the pro-nuke crowd always have to attempt a straw man argument in every debate?

      Because like many people, regardless of what crowd they are in, they think they need to argue some things that are superficial, even meaningless, as if they were important, while ignoring more substantial grievances and concerns.

      I wish I could say it were limited to one particular crowd, but it's not. I've seen it all across the spectrum.

      Of course, there are cases where people ARE flagrantly dishonest, and calling them on that CAN be important, so it's not like it's an entirely invalid point, it's just not particularly useful all the time.

    7. Re:No such confirmation had been made by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > They are a result of the nuclear accident though.

      A neat trick, given that they were caused by unnecessary panic over this... It's also neat how you do not have to justify the deaths from coal power, our main alternative to nukes.

      Well, there is one other option, I suppose--you could go without electricity entirely, but then you wouldn't be posting here....

    8. Re:No such confirmation had been made by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      To clarify I didn't intend to claim that the 1600 deaths among evacuees were from radiation induced cancer. The worker didn't die, he is merely seriously ill and it is thought more than likely as a result of exposure during the clean-up operation.

      The GP was talking about the 1600 deaths, that's what I was addressing. The statement that this cancer was most likely caused by exposure to radioactive material from Fukushima is backed up by TFA and by the judgement of the government ministry staff, who base their decision on medical evidence.

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    9. Re:No such confirmation had been made by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Pardon me then, I should have paid more attention to context.

      Even so, I still think the tagline was misleading, and likely deliberately so.

    10. Re:No such confirmation had been made by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      The 1600 is a meaningless estimation. If you did into it, it is the deaths of elderly (all over 66 years) most of whom were already ill and hospitalized. They blamed all of those that died on the Fukushima evacuation. Then, a 'community panel' also determined if any deaths after the evacuation may have been caused by the 'stress' of the evacuation, and those elderly deaths were included as well. It is also important to note that if the panel assigned the death to Fukushima, then that family gets compensation. Amijojo knows this as it was discussed previously here on Slashdot. But he has not problem in pushing the number anyhow.

    11. Re:No such confirmation had been made by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Apologies for my crappy typing above.

    12. Re:No such confirmation had been made by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Not a native english-speaker so sorry for any and all mistakes)

      Well, if you count 1600 people directly or indirectly as a result of the accident.. But lets go with your line there.. 1600 lives where lost due to the accident..

      If you read a few of the latest reports about Chernobyl they estimate it to be somewhere between 4000 to 9000 people that will die due to the accident. (But Chernobyl is a *really* bad example.... The whole mess there is due to bad design (or none) and idiotic people that actually turned off the safety system etc)

      But just for the sake of it i'll round the number up to 10000 people on average per failed plant just to make it easy to count...

      Lets list the alternatives..

      References used:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      http://www.forbes.com/sites/ja...
      http://www.who.int/mediacentre...
      http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.g...

      Hydroelectric:
      Banqiao Dam - "26,000 dead from flooding, 145,000 dead from subsequent famine and epidemics, 11 million homeless. Caused loss of generation, dam failed by overtopping in a 1-in-2,000 year flood[4]"
      That's more than 17 times the number in Chernobyl in a single accident...
      On average it's 1400 people that dies per year for hydro-electric in the world..

      Coal:
      170000 people per year on average die due to coal-plants.
      - That's 17 times the number in Chernobyl.. Per YEAR!

      Biofuel/Biomass:
      24000
      - That's 2.4 times the number in Chernobyl.... Per YEAR!

      If we are talking about saving lives.. start by fighting to shut down the coal-plants and replace them with nuclear/wind/whatever.. Wind will be problematic since the wind does not always blow, but it's great compliment..... Solar will not be possible since we still need power during the night but it's a great compliment..

      And the other part.. We do have the knowledge on how to build much safer plants (China is currently building quite a few)..
      The main type of reactors available to us.. (simplified, see the references for more information.)
      - Boiling Water Reactor
      - Pressurized Water Reactor
      - Liquid-Metal Fast-Breeder Reactor

      The boiler is what it is.. It boils water, not under pressure, to generate steam to power a turbine.. Due to the low temperature it is not very efficient, that's why they moved on to the pressurized water reactor.

      The main type of reactor used today, and that is the most dangerous, is the pressurized water reactor.. This is due to that the water is pressurized to allow for higher temperatures, and if the cooling-system fails or there is a breach in the pressure-vessel all that water will flash to steam increasing it's volume many times over. It's also a bit risky due to production of hydrogen, that can cause an explosion.
      So to coup with this the whole reactor-design needs to be designed with engineered fail-safes, like a big strong building around it to be able to contail the steam if the pressure-vessel would break. Backup generators to power the cooling-pumps if the external power is lost, and cooling is needed for quite some time after the reactor has been stopped.

      Liquid-Metal Fast-Breeder Reactor works a bit different than the others.. No pressure, and if the temperature goes up it self-corrects due to thermal expansion of the material reducing the probability of a neutron hitting the next atom. If all hell where to break loose and power is lost to the plant and the cooling would stop it has a passive feature where it would dump the fuel into a passively cooled tank where it can cool down without causing damage to the plant, or releasing anything toxic.. These plants cannot melt down, and if there would be some extreme case o

    13. Re:No such confirmation had been made by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      If you'd meant "Someone from the Fukushima cleanup got cancer and a payout because that was in the contract" then there's a way of saying that.

      Can you work out what it is? Hint: it bears fuck all resemblance to what you wrote.

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    14. Re:No such confirmation had been made by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the problem IMO is ascribing the cancer to the accident ... would help to have some statistics about prevalance ... in any case symypaties to the cancer subject

  3. Only 1 out of 45,000 got cancer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comparing that with the odds of getting cancer, it's safe to say that Fukushima PREVENTS cancer.

    1. Re:Only 1 out of 45,000 got cancer? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No. Cancer takes more time to develop, we're only 4 years after the disaster. The announcement is to soothe the local and international disgruntled commenters about Tepco actions and consequences. You see, the disaster had people develop cancer - but there's only one person affected.

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    2. Re:Only 1 out of 45,000 got cancer? by SomeoneFromBelgium · · Score: 1

      No. Cancer takes more time to develop, we're only 4 years after the disaster. The announcement is to soothe the local and international disgruntled commenters about Tepco actions and consequences. You see, the disaster had people develop cancer - but there's only one person affected.

      Soothe? You think politicians and Tepco are so stupid to think admitting this as a disaster related victime will soothe anything? It revives the public interest that was slowly dwindeling and could cost Tipco a big amount of money. NOT something either of them would do voluntarly.

      If they admitted this as a disaster related victim I'm sure they felt they had no choice...

    3. Re:Only 1 out of 45,000 got cancer? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Almost 16,000 people are known dead with another 1200 missing after the tsunami. We have no idea how many got sick or injured. One case of cancer that hopefully will not be fatal makes the news.

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  4. Criteria from TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is important to know their criteria for the decision, not just the decision itself.
    From TFA:
    "Ministry experts determined that he was likely to have contracted leukemia following cleanup work at Fukushima Daiichi. They found he had been exposed to a total of 19.8 millisieverts of radiation from his work at various plants. He was exposed to 15.7 millisieverts at the Fukushima plant.

    Compensation is granted if a nuclear power plant worker has been exposed to annual radiation of 5 milliseverts and has developed cancer more than a year afterward."

    1. Re:Criteria from TFA by cheater512 · · Score: 0

      So he got about two chest CT scans?
      https://xkcd.com/radiation/

      Yep that's a definitive bullet proof 100% confirmed link to the nuclear incident.

      The compensation policy looks like it's aimed at stopping lawsuits since naturally you can't prove it wasn't linked to his work.
      Seems reasonable in that context.

    2. Re:Criteria from TFA by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      if a nuclear power plant worker has been exposed to annual radiation of 5 milliseverts and has developed cancer more than a year afterward."

      A pretty good deal for the worker considering natural background exposure can be over 10 times that, and airline crews get twice that per year.

    3. Re:Criteria from TFA by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Background exposure is rather different to the type of exposure the workers got at the plant. Most background exposure can't even penetrate the outer layer of the skin. It's also worth pointing out that where background levels are high, much of it is often due to radiation from the sun, and that is actually quite dangerous if you get too much exposure, especially if you have white skin.

      The exposure that the workers got involved material like caesium, which got inside the bodies and can't easily be removed. When treated for cancer it was possible to examine blood or tumours that were removed and see these particles in them, indicating the source of the DNA damage that lead to cancer.

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    4. Re:Criteria from TFA by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      You are just coming up with bullshit you must have picked up from some anti-nuke blog. No, workers have not ingested cesium.

    5. Re:Criteria from TFA by Rising+Ape · · Score: 1

      Background exposure is rather different to the type of exposure the workers got at the plant. Most background exposure can't even penetrate the outer layer of the skin.

      In which case it's not exposure, and not counted. Background exposure can come from inhaled alpha emitters (e.g. radon), beta emitters in food, external gamma from rocks etc. It's not qualitatively different from what the workers were exposed to in terms of effects.

      It's also worth pointing out that where background levels are high, much of it is often due to radiation from the sun, and that is actually quite dangerous if you get too much exposure, especially if you have white skin.

      It's dangerous because of UV, which doesn't count as ionizing radiation in this context and isn't included in the "background radiation" measurements.

      The exposure that the workers got involved material like caesium, which got inside the bodies and can't easily be removed. When treated for cancer it was possible to examine blood or tumours that were removed and see these particles in them, indicating the source of the DNA damage that lead to cancer.

      No, all it shows is that these substances were present, not that it was the cause of the cancer. There's no way to link a specific cancer to a specific cause. You can say it's highly likely if we're talking about a cancer almost entirely caused by one thing (such as mesothelioma), but that's not the case for leukemia.

      Now, it's true that there may be cancers caused by the accident in the cleanup group. But nevertheless, most cancers among those people will be unrelated to the accident, just because cancer is sadly common.

    6. Re:Criteria from TFA by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty pro-nuke, as is evidenced from my past posts on the subject. However, there's a big difference between an x-ray and particulates that accumulate and continue to release radiation. I'm not sure if that's what this is, in this case. I am sure that the two aren't comparable, however.

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  5. Meaningless by quenda · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Over 1% of the population will be diagnosed with leukaemia at some point in their lives. So of 44,000 people, that is many hundreds. One case is statistical noise. If his exposure was really only 19.8 millisieverts, its probably not the cause.

    1. Re:Meaningless by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      So far, Fukushima workers as a group are experiencing much lower than normal Leukemia rates. Where is that headline?

    2. Re:Meaningless by Cyberax · · Score: 2

      In another news, Whole Foods now offers a "Piece Of Fukushima" line of face creams. They're aimed at organic-gluten-free-vegan crowd and reduce the risk of leukemia. They also glow in the dark.

  6. Rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He was entitled to a payout regardless of the cause.

    The only thing confirmed was that.

  7. Meanwhile, everywhere else... by Linux+Torvalds · · Score: 1

    About a half-dozen people worldwide received the same news at their doctor, thanks to exposure to emissions from diesel vehicles and coal-fired power plants.

    Ric Romero will not have more on this breaking story tonight at 11, though, because those cancer cases are boring. No scary glow-in-the-dark stuff, no chanting protesters, no sit-ins at administration buildings, no outraged editorials.

    Life goes on, except when it doesn't.

    1. Re:Meanwhile, everywhere else... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      A part of me, probably a larger part than is healthy, is still hoping for Godzilla.

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  8. Some stats by Solandri · · Score: 1

    Albeit for the U.S. since I can't read Japanese. The death rate from leukemia in the U.S. (p. 401) is about 3.8 per 100,000 for males aged 45-54 (figure a few years between diagnosis and death, since he was diagnosed in his late 30s). It's tough to say for certain without a demographic breakdown of the 44,000 clean-up workers. But 1 case per 44,000 (2.3 per 100,000) is pretty close to what you would expect from the general population.

    1. Re:Some stats by Harlequin80 · · Score: 2

      Link - http://ganjoho.jp/en/professio... goes through cancer diagnosis rates in Japan. For ages 30-34 Leukemia diagnosis rates at between 2.5 & 3 per 100,000. For all age range males it is between 4.5 & 10.6 per 100,000.

    2. Re:Some stats by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Just remember, death rates are lower than incidence rates. To be fair, Japanese incidence rates are lower than US as another poster pointed out above.

  9. Condolences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know there's a lot of speculation and argument as to why but I think we're losing focus.
    The fact is that a person who is sick because of this disaster and helped lessen it's influence is ill.
    God speed to them and my best wishes.

    You did great for your country and your people, and you have my respect from thousands of miles away.

    1. Re:Condolences by fnj · · Score: 0

      The fact is that a person ... is sick

      Yes.

      because of this disaster

      Not established. Not even particularly likely. Cancers don't come with little labels that say "caused by x on date y".

    2. Re:Condolences by Stuarticus · · Score: 1

      That's why you're still on the Marlboro full strength?

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  10. Atty the Atom says... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    "Clean, safe, and too cheap to meter"

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    1. Re:Atty the Atom says... by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well it is, as long as you can be allowed to upgrade/replace aging reactors and not blocked by environmentalists and anti-nuke protesters from building a safer replacement.

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    2. Re:Atty the Atom says... by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Well it is, as long as you can be allowed to upgrade/replace aging reactors and not blocked by environmentalists and anti-nuke protesters from building a safer replacement.

      In the US then 2005 energy act prevents those people and local councils from interfering with the placement of nuclear facilities.

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    3. Re:Atty the Atom says... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Luckily that's the US and not Japan huh? The Abe government in Japan pass something similar with the restart of nuclear plants there due to that problem.

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    4. Re:Atty the Atom says... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      We never build safer replacements - don't delude yourself, we build them because we need more. Replacement suggests that the old one is decommissioned at some point but those reactors aren't cheap to build and have multi-decade payback horizons.

      Here in Canada we decommission and replace reactors about every 30 years, unless there is a particular reason. Such as the medical breeder reactors that supply a large portion of the worlds medical isotopes. Those are safer replacements for aging technology, if that's not happening in your country then there's something else going on.

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  11. The actual rates in the general population... by tlambert · · Score: 2

    But 1 case per 44,000 (2.3 per 100,000) is pretty close to what you would expect from the general population.

    The actual rates in the general population are much higher.

    You are quoting based on numbers of deaths vs. number of people contracting Leukemia.

    The actual numbers a 13.0 per 100,000 people, for 2014, per the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society:

    https://www.lls.org/sites/defa...

  12. Nuclear disasters don't cause that much cancer by dlenmn · · Score: 0

    Even for a much bigger mess like Chernobyl, radiation leakage causes few cancer cases, either among people involved in the cleanup or bystandards. For example, see this World Health Organization report on Chernobyl:

    http://www.who.int/ionizing_ra...

    Recent investigations suggest a doubling of the incidence of leukaemia among the most highly exposed Chernobyl liquidators. No such increase has been clearly demonstrated among children or adults resident in any of the contaminated areas. ...
    While scientists have conducted studies to determine whether cancers in many other organs may have been caused by radiation, reviews by the WHO Expert Group revealed no evidence of increased cancer risks, apart from thyroid cancer, that can clearly be attributed to radiation from Chernobyl.

    So the people who get a large dose of radiation are twice as likely to develop leukemia, which sucks, but leukemia isn't that common to begin with. Among bystanders, the only measurable increase in cancer was thyroid cancer, and that happened because the USSR did a crappy job (no surprise there) and fed a bunch of kids contaminated milk (see previous link). In short, the thyroid cancer could easily have been prevented -- especially because potassium iodide pills are supposed to be an effective way to prevent thyroid cancer caused by radioactive materials. Thankfully, thyroid cancer has a very high success rate for treatment. (I forget the number, but IIRC it's something like 95%.)

    Not surprisingly the "elevated levels of child cancer" linked to in the description applies _only_ to thyroid cancer. Moreover, it's not clear that thyroid cancer in children really spiked. For example, see http://thebreakthrough.org/ind...

    Considering that Fukushima was much more contained than Chernobyl, I doubt that we'll see that many cancer cases from Fukushima.

    I did some reading on Chernobyl several years ago, and going in, I expected that the disaster would have caused a lot of cancer deaths. I was surprised to learn that it didn't, but it makes sense now that I think about it. Yes, a lot of radioactive material got released, but the world is a _big_ place. One reactor's worth of radioactive material diluted over a large area isn't _that_ big a deal. Yes, it's a big enough deal that it's probably unsafe to live in the Chernobyl exclusion zone, but the effect beyond that is quite limited. Even if a reactor goes pop every few decades, it'll still probably cause less environmental damage than all the coal we use in the same period.

    1. Re:Nuclear disasters don't cause that much cancer by delt0r · · Score: 1

      God damit. No it is not a fucking 100000 year problem. Where you come up with this shit. Reprocess it is like 100 to 200 years. Not reprocess something like 3-8 centuries depending on how you slice "background rates".

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    2. Re:Nuclear disasters don't cause that much cancer by lazy+genes · · Score: 0

      The data is from a time before they realized they would be dead before they had to deal with the problems. Reprocessing does not work like that, it's still all theoretical. If they could find a safe way to do it without it catching fire, it would only reduce the amount.

    3. Re:Nuclear disasters don't cause that much cancer by delt0r · · Score: 1

      Reprocessing is *not* theoretical. How do you think we enrich in the first place? Also the french are doing as are the Japanese. Just on a small scale. But yea its being done. Not theory. And yea reprocessing does work like that. Pulling numbers out of your arse like 100000 years? WTF, citation required. You won't find one outside a equally clueless post on the internet.

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  13. Wait, they never ruled out HTLV! by ConstantineM · · Score: 2

    In the US, they've entertained the idea to stop testing donor's blood for HTLV-1/2 because it's so rare in North America, but in Japan, the virus is epidemic.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...

    Based on the criteria for compensation described in the article, it looks like the HTLV status of this worker has never been taken into any consideration, so just because his claim was valid and was accepted, doesn't at all mean that there's a correlation between the events.

  14. Sad, but very interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So they can tell exactly where you 'caught' your cancer from now? I dunno. It sounds a lot like Astrology and Climatology to me. Not real science.

  15. Bio-accumulation by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    It is the radio-isotopes ejected from the exploding reactors that are the threat to people, as opposed to the radiation. Radioactive *isotopes* analogue other elements when presented to a metabolism in the food chain. Take plutonium for example, it analogues iron when presented to a human metabolism, is a high energy alpha emitter and is extremely toxic.

    Oppenheimer's work found that 1 millionth of a gram of plutonium is a carcinogenic dose in the human body and Leukemia is a consequence of absorbing plutonium chloride. Whether you believe this was related or not to Fukushima depends on if you think this man absorbed a microgram or two of 239 pu from cleaning up a recently exploded nuclear reactor.

    Some radioactive isotopes analogue appear to be nutrients to living metabolisms, so they bio-accumulate in the food chain. They cannot be detected with the senses like (taste, touch etc) no matter how toxic to life processes they are.

    Once a radio-isotope is inside the body, the body identifies it as a nutrient and uses it as such. If it is deposited in the bones, in the case of a calcium analogue like strontium 90 as an example, it will continue to emit radiation creating a condition for cancer to incubate (typically 6 years). An iron analogue, like plutonium 239, will most likely end up where all the other iron in the body goes.

    When the subject dies and is buried or cremated those radionuclides are released back into the environment where it is available to be ingested again. This is the nature of radioactive isotopes and the primary reason containment of Nuclear industry radio isotope effluent is so important.

    Looking to the patterns of absorption, six years after Chernobyl the W.H.O were recording the incidents of thyroid cancer in children increasing in thousands per month before their funding to continue recording the data was pulled by the IAEA, who maintain interdiction powers over the WHO publishing about matters involving the Nuclear Industry and health reporting.

    So it is reasonable to expect 2017 as the *start* of seeing the direct effects of people who have been exposed to radioisotopes either in the air (through fallout) or the water table as directly from the accident, hopefully there will be very few. That these cases are happening in 2015 suggests that the people working at the reactor suffered much more exposure than we were led to believe by TEPCO.

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    1. Re:Bio-accumulation by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      That these cases are happening in 2015 suggests that the people working at the reactor suffered much more exposure than we were led to believe by TEPCO.

      Literally every public statement by TEPCO during the early stages of the disaster (To quote Holly from Red Dwarf, "It's an emergency, and it's still going on") was a lie. They lied about every milestone and they lied about the amount of material released every single time, over a half a dozen times in a row in fact. TEPCO has proven that you cannot trust any of their claims.

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    2. Re:Bio-accumulation by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      TEPCO has proven that you cannot trust any of their claims.

      Indeed, it would seem to be the one reliable thing that have done.

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  16. /. is full of cowards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have watched this site from the 90's devolve from tech buffs excited for the future to cowards afraid of it. What the hell happened? /, is nothing but tech hating wussies who would be better off protected by their mommies. Can we PLEASE get back to being news for nerds instead of cowardice for libertarians?

  17. Different population. by DrYak · · Score: 2

    (1.5% leukimia rate in the US {..} In the US, approximately 1.5% of people will be diagnosed with leukemia, {...} we should expect to see over 10 cases of Leukemia per year, but we've only seen one in 3-4 years. Why is that?

    Why is that? That's because the number you have are for the US, and this happens in Japan.
    Numbers might differ (e.g.: Among cardiovascular Japan has lower rates of heart stroke, and more brain stroke) for a whole range of reasons.
    (Different environment, different habits lifestyles, some slight genetic difference, specially given Japan high tendency to remain isolated/insular across history, etc.)

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  18. Likely != Confirmed by jklovanc · · Score: 1

    Ministry experts determined that he was likely to have contracted leukemia following cleanup work at Fukushima Daiichi.

    The Ministry confirmed nothing.

    Compensation is granted if a nuclear power plant worker has been exposed to annual radiation of 5 milliseverts and has developed cancer more than a year afterward.

    The claimant does not have to even show that the cancer is related to the work. It may or may not be but based on the chance they get compensated.

    I know it is strange for some countries but some governments compensate based on likely causes and not absolute proof.

  19. clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Crappy clickbait from the nip-loving SJW.

  20. This post is atrocious by leptechie · · Score: 1
    Wow, what an inflated bag of hyperbole and misinformation. It's right there in the first sentence of the post: This result is from a Labour Ministry, not anyone dealing directly with health, science, technology or even energy. The man merely arrived above the bar for compensation, and contrary to the post's headline it "confirms" nothing.

    The diagnosis itself is not a causal one, and the exposure "is nearly four times the annual dose allowed for nuclear workers in Japan but is less than half the amount US nuclear workers can be exposed to in a single year." (BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...).

    As for the 1,600 deaths in the evacuation - not one of them was as a result of exposure to anything except the hysteria that comes from exactly this kind of overblown fluff.

    Disgusting.

  21. Elevated levels of child cancer by ssam · · Score: 1

    Elevated by increased screening, not by radiation. http://thebreakthrough.org/ind...

    1. Re:Elevated levels of child cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, don't be a dumbass. Screening doesn't cause cancer.

    2. Re:Elevated levels of child cancer by ssam · · Score: 1

      No, it finds many tiny (often harmless) tumours, nodules and cysts, that would go unnoticed normally.

  22. More cases will follow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This isn't the last case. I also have a hard time trusting official statistics. Goverments can't be trusted when it comes to anything nuclear.
    I'm sure there are way more deads related coal plants than nuclear plants but that is an other discusion Goverments like to avoid.

  23. Were you a juror for OJ's trial? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And is this how you're going to keep pretending that nuclear is entirely safe? Because if so, solar power is entirely safe. After all, those deaths from installing it weren't due to solar panels, they could have been because of any number of reasons, such as he was drunk, or messing about. Or just poor work practice, nothing to do with solar power.

  24. Wow. Feel the burn (sarcasm) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, right. And the fear of anything labelled "toxic" or "Deadly", or "dangerous materials". How DARE people be afraid of radioactivity, it made Spiderman a superhero! We only put warning signs up to make sure people notice the lovely shade of yellow we use!

    You should only be afraid of solar panels falling on your head and killing you, because that could happen! WATCH THE SKIES!