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Security Researchers Face Revenge of Spy Agencies (theregister.co.uk)

mask.of.sanity writes: Researchers tasked with revealing malware attack campaigns are being harassed, locked out of tenders, and in some cases deported. The retaliation by the unnamed spy agencies is in direct response to the popular published advanced-persistent threat campaigns that have coloured information security reporting over recent years. More details from researcher Juan Andrés Guerrero-Saade are available in a paper (pdf).

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  1. For Your Own Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can't you see that our good friends the government agencies are protecting us from those evil researchers?

    We wouldn't want freedom of speech and privacy now, would we?

    1. Re:For Your Own Good by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why are the government spy agencies unnamed?

      Because that would require actual evidence, and TFA has none. It is much easier to make vague accusations and include lots of scary handwaving.

    2. Re:For Your Own Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      These are the agencies that, at least in the US have sadly been able to blockade access to the evidence that would confirm wrongdoing. Even in cases where they accidentally released such evidence proving its existence they have effectively got courts to treat it like it didn't exist because of "national security" (aka complete lack of accountability).

    3. Re:For Your Own Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why are the government spy agencies unnamed? You would think those security researchers affected by these agencies would name names. I call bullshit on this story likely planted by the government as part of its propaganda campaign.

      Maybe, if they were named, then the researchers that named them would face revenge?

  2. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Security researcher Juan Andrés Guerrero-Saade was found dead in his apartment. Investigators found Guerrero-Saade laying next to various narcotics including heroin and suspect a drug overdose as the cause of death. His neighbors say he was a quiet man that mostly kept to himself.

  3. Apparently the US is the best by PRMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "In many places intelligence services tend to be more civilised than in others -- you would be lucky to deal with them in the US versus wherever else, Latin America, Asia, or Eastern Europe where they take very different tactics, "

    The article is referencing other nations where freedom of speech is less guaranteed...for now.

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    1. Re:Apparently the US is the best by guestapoo · · Score: 2

      The article did not mention Europe, so more precisely, U.S is better than Latin America, Asia or Eastern Europe.

    2. Re:Apparently the US is the best by chasm22 · · Score: 2

      I love being precise. The article stated precisely this, "deal with them in the US versus wherever else". Unless you interpret wherever else to mean everywhere but Europe, you are precisely wrong.

  4. TFA Lacks Substance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While I have no reason doubt that harassment and revenge is happening quite frequently, the article doesn't provide any information to substantiate their statements.

  5. Security Clearance by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I find it interesting that not having security clearance is viewed as an impediment.

    I'm well employed in computer security and not having any clearance, not having signed any government secrets agreement has been an essential part of being able to do my job.

    While I work with people with clearances, I simply cannot trust them for specific things because it is not possible to know who they are really working for. Once you have signed up, you are clear for some government work, but tainted for work on the outside. Take your pick.

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    1. Re:Security Clearance by Whorhay · · Score: 2

      How does having a security clearance taint you? The only thing it indicates is that you either don't have much of anything to be blackmailed with, or that you have already disclosed such material to the government. There are other contracts you could have signed like NDA's, but that isn't part of having a clearance. Hell it's actually possible for a person to be granted a clearance without them having signed up for one at all.

  6. Re:Bernie Sanders by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cthulhu for President. Why vote for the lesser evil?

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  7. Re:Locked out of tenders by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

    What the heck is a "tender"?

    Tender, noun. (commerce) a formal offer to supply specified goods or services at a stated cost or rate

    They're getting locked out of bidding on contracts. At least, that's what the sentence means. Not sure if it was used correctly.

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  8. Punishments without a fair trial by JimSadler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This punishment without a trial nonsense needs to be hacked off at the knees and all who caused these punishments should be jailed.

    1. Re:Punishments without a fair trial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wha...? Snowden has been effectively exiled for doing the right and moral, if technically illegal, thing for the good of his country. Assange is effectively under indefinite house arrest and had his reputation destroyed for helping people find out what their governments are doing secretly in their name. Both live with the knowledge that if western intelligence agencies can find them they will almost certainly disappear "in mysterious circumstances" and (possibly, if the PR guys think it would spin well) turn up later for a show trial and/or indefinite detention until they go nuts aka Bradley Manning - if an "accident" doesn't mysteriously happen first.

      I'd call that (unjustified) punishment. Perhaps you have a different definition of the word?

  9. Re:Tenders? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    What does it mean to be "locked out of tenders"? My Google-fu fails me here.

    Companies regular respond to tender requests issued by government. In this context a tender is a contract open for bidding by organisations external to the government department or agency responsible for issuing the tender.

  10. Re:Locked out of tenders by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 2

    A tender is an offer to provide a requested service for a government. Governments put out a request for a service (say, "we need somebody to help us ensure our computer systems are secure") and companies and individuals can tender an offer saying, "these are my qualifications, this is my price range". Government will then select one of those tenders to get the job.

    Presumably, people who speak out against governmental practices are having their offers tossed.

    At least, that's how I read it.

  11. Re:Tenders? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    What does it mean to be "locked out of tenders"? My Google-fu fails me here.

    It means their grant application wasn't approved. That could be because their research is crap, or it could be, as the TFA claims, proof of a vast government conspiracy to silence them.