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Reactions Split On What Canada's Liberal Majority Means For Tech Policy Future (freezenet.ca)

Dangerous_Minds writes: Few could have predicted the Liberal majority win in Canada's recent election. Now that the Canadian government is in a state of transition, some have speculated what the new government will bring to the table when it comes to a policy on technology. Michael Geist is speculating that the people in the new Liberal government may bring about a positive policy change, concluding "All of this points to real change and the chance for a fresh start on Canadian digital policy in the years ahead." Meanwhile, Freezenet has a very different take. Drew Wilson points out that the last time the Liberal government was in power, the party was very combative on digital rights because they were trying to bring in Lawful Access and the Canadian DMCA before Stephen Harper took power. In one very infamous exchange, Sam Bulte lashed out at people like Michael Geist by calling him and his supporters "pro-user zealots". With digital rights not even on the radar during the election outside of Bill C-51 towards the beginning and the Liberals long history on these files, Wilson paints a very bleak future given that the Liberal party now has a majority government and can push through policies unopposed whether controversial or not.

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  1. Well if its anything like the US... by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

    It will mean nothing at all.

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    1. Re:Well if its anything like the US... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The fact that we voted the Conservatives out for a number of reasons, not the least of which was their attempt to sway the vote with a xenophobic campaign message, shows that we aren't as like the US as one might think.

    2. Re:Well if its anything like the US... by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Congratulations on the most twisted post of the day. What you said is "homophobia is a crime in Canada even if it is disguised as religion." In that case: Go Canada!

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    3. Re:Well if its anything like the US... by aevan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And what you said is "'Opinions must be politically correct or we will arrest you' is a good thing. Go Oceania!"

      Churches should be allowed to be homophobic - and should also be toothless in matters of law and called out on their views. Idiocy and being wrong hasn't been outlawed - just pity the bigots and only raise your ire if they act on their views. [That said they can have their little homophobe club and exclude girls too for all I care - bygone relic of a superstitious age :P ]

    4. Re:Well if its anything like the US... by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's no link, because it isn't true. Canadian hate laws don't work like that.

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    5. Re:Well if its anything like the US... by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 4, Informative

      Funny, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms would disagree with you:

      2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

      (a) freedom of conscience and religion;
      (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
      (c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
      (d) freedom of association.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    6. Re:Well if its anything like the US... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but no.

      Everything funded by the government MUST comply with government rules. And not paying taxes means that you take money from the government.

      Pay taxes and you are a private business again.

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    7. Re:Well if its anything like the US... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.belfasttelegraph.co...

      He's being prosecuted for hate speech - he hasn't been convicted, much less sentenced - and he lives in the United Kingdom, not Quebec.

      But other than those minute details, you're absolutely right!

    8. Re:Well if its anything like the US... by davester666 · · Score: 2

      No. Liberal/Conservative is very similar to Democrat/Republican. Two sides of the same coin. It's not stalemate crazy like the US, because we don't have the checks and balances [the Senate here rarely puts a stop to legislation]. It's more like a 5 year dictatorship once someone gets a majority. Hence, Harper got to shove through all kinds of unpopular legislation. Now, it's Trudeau's turn. The only difference is that Trudeau comes across as empty-headed, somebody else has to tell him what to say and do.

      If anything, we are doubly screwed, because we get to fund these jokers directly, so their corporate masters....I mean, sponsors get their legislation without having to pony up the big bucks that the US guys have to.

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    9. Re: Well if its anything like the US... by dave420 · · Score: 2

      Perhaps you should go meet some Muslims and then you'd realise they're about as scary as anyone else. Singling them out only shows us how small your world is, and how scared you are in it. It's sad.

    10. Re:Well if its anything like the US... by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2

      It's because liberals know how to read and have heard of this thing called the dictionary.

      Xenophobia -- fear or hatred of strangers or foreigners, first known use 1903.

      Looks like the train has left the station, Jane.

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    11. Re:Well if its anything like the US... by Rakarra · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but no.

      Everything funded by the government MUST comply with government rules. And not paying taxes means that you take money from the government.

      So does that mean that as a private citizen with an income too low to pay taxes, I'm not allowed to dislike homosexuality, while a rich person who pays lots of taxes can hate on homosexuality as much as he likes?

      If I don't pay taxes, I'm "funded by the government," right?

  2. HRT by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now that the SJWs have taken over Canada, they're going to force everyone to undergo sex reassignment therapy. It's a proven fact that I read on 8chan.

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    1. Re:HRT by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Over my dead body. Oh, and you'll need to pry my guns from my cold dead hands as well.

      Well, I'm not undergoing sex reassignment therapy.

      They'll have to pry my penis from my cold, dead hands.

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  3. Our friends up north are just like us apparently by JoeyRox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Their citizens actually believe it makes a difference whether a "liberal" or "conservative" is in power.

  4. Liberal Party? by GerryGilmore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Heck, here in America "Liberal" is a cuss-word that even Democrats run away from. That's part of why they suck as a political party - they can't/won't even defend Liberal values.

    1. Re:Liberal Party? by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's dangerous to evaluate foreign countries on the American political spectrum, and especially dangerous based on their name. If you judged American politics based on the names of the parties, you would think that one party desperately wanted a direct democracy, and the other party was fighting ferociously to keep the states independent. But neither of those is why the names were chosen (in fact, the founder of the democrat party fought to strengthen the states rights).

      In Canada, the Liberal Party has that name, but it is the centrist party.

      "All politics is local," that is the saying. In Canada, no one is fighting over Obamacare, just like in America no one cares about Quebec independence. In fact, one of the ways the party won is by getting a lot of votes in Quebec (also, Justin Trudeau is kind of hot).

      Don't try to focus on "left" or "right," it is a way to divide us. Instead focus on specific issues.

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    2. Re:Liberal Party? by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Informative

      An example of this is the Liberal party of Australia, which tends to be labeled as a "right" party

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  5. Re:Our friends up north are just like us apparentl by dunkelfalke · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, it can. About the only time I was proud of my country was when Schroeder said no to Iraq war. A conservative government would have followed Dubya without even thinking twice about it.

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  6. Re:Nothing good by Straif · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While true, only Liberals or Conservatives/PC have had enough seats to claim the PM title, smaller parties have held significant power at times. Whenever you get a minority government the ruling party must make deals with someone to get legislation passed and it's at those time the smaller parties can get some things done.

    The problem is in a majority government the ruling party doesn't have to listen or negotiate with anyone, in many cases even their own members so the PM can pretty much do whatever they want. While not a legislative issue, Trudeau's already shown his willingness to rule from on high by effectively removing Canada from the multinational anti-ISIS campaign against the wishes of his own party members and the majority of Canadians. Our handful of jets weren't doing much but at least they gave us a voice at the table and showed some willingness to help.

    There are simply no checks or balances in a majority government.

    If we at least had a useful Senate then there might be some hope but seeing as they are all just appointed and would rather not rock the boat while getting their nice paychecks, what the PM wants the PM pretty much gets.

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  7. Re:Our friends up north are just like us apparentl by mwehle · · Score: 2

    Well, it can. About the only time I was proud of my country was when Schroeder said no to Iraq war. A conservative government would have followed Dubya without even thinking twice about it.

    Absolutely! Americans who have only the Republican/Democrat "choice" to contemplate can too easily dismiss the difference made by the party in power. Joschka Fischer and the SPD/Grüne coalition conducted a foreign policy significantly different from that of the CDU.

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  8. Oligarchy by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We don't get to vote for the boss. The boss is the person who fills the lobbyist's pockets and tells them under what conditions to fork over said money. The boss is the person who arranges that little junket Thailand, or the Bahamas, or Las Vegas. The boss is that person who makes sure that congress-critter McTurd's second cousin Tedwina gets an absolutely amazing price on that succulent little bit of property. The boss is that guy who sees to it that post-congress, there's a $$k/event speaking tour waiting the wings. The boss is the guy with that awesome stock tip.

    And sure as hell, the boss is not us.

    But yes, new boss, same as old boss. Because no change in boss. At all. Has nothing to do with elections.

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  9. Re:Nothing good by Curtman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Trouble is, Canada has a two party system that pretends to have more parties, but has never once elected them to run the country.

    The Liberals have also promised this will be the last election under our current first-past-the-post system. Depending on the result of that, there may be a lot more MPs elected who arent from the two parties, and it may be the last majority government in Canada.

  10. Re:Our friends up north are just like us apparentl by Curtman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, it can. About the only time I was proud of my country was when Schroeder said no to Iraq war. A conservative government would have followed Dubya without even thinking twice about it.

    Oh they definitely thought about it. Some Steven Harper quotes:

    "[Y]our country [the USA], and particularly your conservative movement, is a light and an inspiration to people in this country and across the world."

    I don't know all the facts on Iraq, but I think we should work closely with the Americans.

    This party will not take its position based on public opinion polls. We will not take a stand based oÂn focus groups. We will not take a stand based oÂn phone-in shows or householder surveys or any other vagaries of public opinion⦠In my judgment Canada will eventually join with the allied coalition if war on Iraq comes to pass. The government will join, notwithstanding its failure to prepare, its neglect in co-operating with its allies, or its inability to contribute. In the end it will join out of the necessity created by a pattern of uncertainty and indecision. It will not join as a leader but unnoticed at the back of the parade.

    Having this new government is like waking up from a terrible nightmare.

  11. Re:Our friends up north are just like us apparentl by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 2

    Well in the case of Canada and my opinion at least we don't really have much of an option. We have about 5-6 parties but 1 only runs candidates in Quebec, a couple don't run candidates in enough ridings to have a chance of being an opposition let alone form a government. Of the 3 left, really only 2 have had a good chance of winning in the last 20 or so years. So effectively 2 party if not actually.

    I thing a better solution, which would be in effect the same thing as campaign finance reform: eliminate the party system entirely. Ban party whips, common signage, block voting etc. Every candidate has the stand or fall on their own positions. We'd still have committees to write laws, but those committees would be formed by some combination of qualification and lot (no more education minister with no post secondary for example) but everything would be a free vote.

    I say it is effectively campaign finance reform because a single politican wouldn't have the machine to suck in the money from lobbyist. The lobbyists wouldn't have any guarantee who they need to bribe before the election because they'd have no idea who would end up being the strong negotiator at debates.That is one thing Canada has going for it though, we don't have long campaigns and advertising is a faction what it is per capita in the US.

  12. Sounds like Australia by jonwil · · Score: 2

    We have what is effectively a 2 party system too and both parties are equally willing to rubber stamp anything the big media companies want (like the recent bill allowing media companies to force ISPs to block pirate websites)

    1. Re:Sounds like Australia by youngone · · Score: 2
      In New Zealand we got Proportional Representation in 1996 which has given us a bunch of coalition governments.

      The one issue all parties in Parliament seem to agree on is tougher copyright laws.

  13. Re:Our friends up north are just like us apparentl by Curtman · · Score: 2

    I can't WAIT to check back with you in 6 months to a year, to listen to you whining about how bad the liberals are, and how they sold everybody a big lie, because they're not as liberal as they promised.

    The previous Liberal governments that preceded the one we just kicked out, worked out very well. It's very nice to have them back. They balanced our federal budget back in the 90's and used surpluses to fund debt repayment and personal income tax cuts for the middle class mixed with corporate tax cuts. Within a few years the Harper Conservatives turned a 8 billion dollar surplus into a record 56 billion dollar deficit. They gave tax credits and cuts to corporations and the wealthy, and wondered why their trickle down economics didn't work. It was always somebody's fault. Sometimes it was the Americans fault, sometimes Chinas that our economy didn't grow for 10 years.

  14. Re:Our friends up north are just like us apparentl by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    They were also investigated by the RCMP for Adscam which went all the way to the PMO's office and his assistants, and the funneling of federal tax dollars into Quebec, where the said people in Quebec then donated those federal tax dollars right back into the Liberal party coffers. Sorry man, they're corrupt as fuck and they're not any different than the Provincial Liberals in Ontario, who are involved in 4 different police investigations ranging from destruction of data to engineering an election result in Northern Ontario.

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  15. Re:Our friends up north are just like us apparentl by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    Being investigated and being found guilty of something are two completely different things. The Liberals booted everyone involved in Adscam and prosecuted them. They did not give hush money to senators, or prorogue parliament to avoid answering questions about it, or pass laws retroactively absolving people for it like the harper cons did.

    The liberals didn't prosecute anyone that was the RCMP. They even gave diplomatic posts to individuals who were involved in Adscam in order to get them out of the country. The liberals stonewalled as hard as they could until popular opinion in the country was at such a pitch they couldn't stonewall anymore. Sadly, I'm old enough to remember that.

    Oh and the liberals sure did give hush money to senators. One of them even spent the last 20 years of his time in the senate, sitting in mexico. And sadly, they also passed laws to retroactively absolve people. You think that the Cons set precedent on this? Pierre Trudeau did the retroactive pardoning first.

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