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FBI Chief Links Video Scrutiny of Police To Rise In Violent Crime (nytimes.com)

HughPickens.com writes: This year, murders have spiked in major cities across America. According to FBI director James B. Comey the additional scrutiny and criticism of police officers that has come in the wake of highly publicized incidents of police brutality may be the main reason for the recent increase in violent crime. "I don't know whether that explains it entirely, but I do have a strong sense that some part of the explanation is a chill wind that has blown through American law enforcement over the last year," says Comey. He says he's been told by many police leaders that officers who normally would stop to question suspicious people are opting to stay in their patrol cars for fear of having their encounters recorded and become video sensations.

That hesitancy has led to missed opportunities to apprehend suspects and has decreased the police presence on the streets of the country's most violent cities. Officers tell Comey that youths surround police when they get out of their vehicles, taunting them and making videos of the spectacle with their cell phones. "In today's YouTube world, there are officers reluctant to get out of their cars and do the work that controls violent crime," says Comey. "Our officers are answering 911 calls, but avoiding the informal contact that keeps bad guys from standing around, especially with guns."

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  1. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the police acted respectfully during encounters with private citizens, I doubt there would be much need to record these encounters. I know I don't record my neighbor getting his mail or washing his car, because I don't consider either behavior threatening. Police have abused their positions of trust and the recording is one of many symptoms of this fact.

    1. Re:Good by dgatwood · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is approximately like saying that the Holocaust was caused by someone who bullied Neville Chamberlain when he was a kid. The effect is so distant from the supposed cause that it is laughable.

      To the extent that video scrutiny leads to a rise in violent crime, it is principally because otherwise non-violent criminals have become scared of excessive police brutality, and thus more frequently choose to arm themselves for their own safety. You cannot foment peace at the tip of a sword. Violence begets violence.

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    2. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      that's their job. sorry if it's difficult. it doesn't help when the director of the FBI essentially calls them all bitches who are afraid of a camera.

    3. Re:Good by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How do you gain and keep the respect of a group of people, whose sole goal in an encounter is to show they world how little they respect you?

      I'm guessing that beating them up and shooting them isn't likely to work.

      In too many countries, modern police act like an occupying army, and are then surprised when they're treated like one.

    4. Re: Good by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You gain / maintain respect by ensuring those wearing the uniform of a Law Enforcement agency act like professionals instead of thugs.

      You solidify that respect by bringing down the hammer on those unfit to wear that uniform and you do it publicly.

      You SHOW the people that criminal and thuggish behavior will not be tolerated by those in uniform. A zero tolerance policy to remove the idiots and a better screening process to remove them from the pool before they're even hired.

      Yes, they deal with monsters from time to time. Becoming one to deal with them quickly blurs the line between protectors and predators.

      That line is already so blurry that most don't trust any police because we can't differentiate between the professional and the thug.

      You want your respect, trust and peace back ? Begin by clearing your ranks of those who can't seem to live up to the professional standards of those who wore that uniform back when it meant something.

    5. Re:Good by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not just the picture, it's the reality. US police are trained to believe the public is their enemy, and they treat them as such. Oddly enough, the public have now started to believe the same thing.

    6. Re:Good by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the job is impossible then there will soon be obvious, highly visible problems. To maintain law and order, society will then have to come up with democratically acceptable solutions to those problems, which might include legislating to give more or different powers to law enforcement and accepting the consequences.

      But hypothetical problems aren't very interesting, and fear of hypothetical problems should not be allowed undue influence in public debate.

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    7. Re:Good by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. Nobody is forced to work as a policeman. But I have the impression a lot of people do this job for all the wrong reasons, namely being able to be violent without repercussions, to wield authority that they would never ever have been able to earn personally, etc. It is almost like some type of criminal found becoming a policeman the perfect solution to their desires. And, unlike in sane states, the US does not seem to filter these people out anymore. That is what typically happens in a police-state: You want violent goons as policemen to keep the population in fear and timid. This call to essentially ignore crime committed by policemen fits that picture perfectly.

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    8. Re:Good by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is, there's a long history of recording accidentally going missing, or accidentally not having been recorded, when the police do something bad and the victims want to see the videos. It's a good start, but they just can't be trusted.

    9. Re:Good by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What happens to society if that turns out to be an impossible job?

      We abolish policing and return to the Militia, with YOU having to report for drill every week and YOU doing the patrolling.
      the only way the job is impossible is if your goal is not Law Enforcement but Police Intimidation!

    10. Re:Good by Thing+1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not only that, the system is set up so that they shouldn't be trusted.

      Eliminate victimless crimes, and their job gets a whole lot easier -- both in terms of the behaviors that they need to "enforce" against, and also in terms of their safety because they will be far less likely to harm innocents (a percentage of whom will fight back).

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    11. Re:Good by KGIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They've always wanted to not be recorded. Hell, were I a thug in a blue uniform, I'd want the same thing (I imagine). There's no hypocrisy here - they're just still wanting to hide their misdeeds.

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  2. Let me get this right.... by wbr1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Please don't watch us do our jobs, because when we are watched we cannot accost and brutalize the dregs of society into submission, therefore you should be scared as those dregs will come after you!"

    Sorry, but do your job withing the confines of the law (including the constitution). You get no free pass. If you cannot do your job within those confines, then press to have those laws changed, in an open and democratic manner. If you do not, you are little (or no) better than the thugs and gangsters you wish to imprison.

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    1. Re:Let me get this right.... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This sounds like the comments of someone obviously blind to the realities of stepping into a hostile crowd alone.

      Why was the hostile crowd there, why was it hostile, why was it necessary for law enforcement to enter it, and why was the officer doing so alone? If your hypothetical problem situation ever actually happens, it sounds like a whole lot of things probably already went wrong long before the officer stepped into the crowd.

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    2. Re:Let me get this right.... by Imrik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They aren't objecting to being filmed, they're objecting to people trying to get them to make a mistake on camera.

  3. Radical proposal by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here is a radical proposal:

    don't choke to death petty criminals, don't shoot fleeing suspects in the back. Don't kill people in the vans on their way to the police station, etc... And more importantly: don't support the police officers who do this!

    And finally, actually discipline officers for their misdeeds.

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  4. why are police so scared of everything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the best part is that the director of the FBI says police are afraid of kids with phones who mock them. the police should resign if they are so afraid.

  5. They used only two years to call this a spike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    2012 had the lowest crime rate since 1970 and even with the so called spike, the murder rate stills remains far below the record marks witnessed two to three decades ago, in the late 1980s and early ’90s. Can someone in the media call bullshit ?

  6. Too many cops think that a badge by SwashbucklingCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is a license to break the law. Cops need to be held accountable for their misdeeds, just like everyone else. Maybe the cops that are afraid to be recorded don't know how to do their jobs while following the law.

  7. In other words by dirk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In other words, police have no idea how to do their job without being able to assault people, racially profile them, and generally be dicks. If these police are afraid to do their jobs because they might be filmed, the easiest solution is to hire police officers who don't do anything wrong that will be an issue if it ends up on tape. The reason people are taping the police constantly now is because they expect the police to do something wrong because they have shown in a lot of cases they do. If the police get better and stop setting the expectation they will treat people like garbage, then people won;t expect it and won't feel the need to film them constantly.

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  8. Because they know they're criminals. by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "In today's YouTube world, there are officers reluctant to get out of their cars and do the work that controls violent crime," says Comey.

    If they have nothing to hide, why are they afraid of being recorded? If they aren't breaking the law, then they should not fear to do their jobs. That's what they've been telling us all along; if we have nothing to hide, we shouldn't fear their disregard for the fourth amendment. But if the cops have to break the law to save it, what are they fighting for anyway?

    The cops are still playing this issue like it's part of the non-existent "war on cops". There is no such thing. Instead, there's a ground swell of support for the idea that the cops should be made to follow the law just like the rest of us, or even moreso. With great power comes great responsibility.

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  9. Murders have not "spiked" by riskkeyesq · · Score: 5, Insightful

    538 recently ran a piece on this misguided and largely misleading storyline police are touting. It's worth a read if you like facts. But this is /. http://fivethirtyeight.com/fea...

  10. Illegal Police by JimSadler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Could it be that so much police work is done illegally or in violation of policy that they have trouble doing their job unless they can commit criminal acts? And it is racist as it can be. How much stop and frisk and the like goes on in wealthy, white neighborhoods? If cops acted the same way with wealthy people that they do with poor people every cop on the force would get fired quite quickly.

  11. Papers or else by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Their "jobs" were never to break the law. All this whining about pressure on cops is utter BS. If they had been doing their actual jobs, instead of being criminals, they'd be fine. This is simply their own malfeasance coming back to bite everyone -- us and them -- in the ass.

    Every cop that breaks the law is a criminal. Every cop that knows about such things and does not turn the criminal in is a criminal accessory. That's cop culture. They think they are above the law, instead of its servants. I have no sympathy for their current situation at all. I do regret that they have been allowed, both by their internal culture and by the courts, to screw the public over so badly. And that the courts, in particular the supreme court, has failed to obey their oaths to uphold the constitution, instead wreaking sophist havoc on its meaning and intent.

    I honestly do not think there is any chance at all of fixing this. The downhill slide is too profound; the public almost completely unaware of the issues at hand until they too are caught in the toxic, broken gears of the system. When that happens, they often disappear into the depths of the world's largest imprisonment undertaking. When (if) they come out of that, they're treated as unemployable and sometimes worse.

    The "retribution, not rehabilitation" mindset the media has inculcated into the American public and to which their legislators pander, creates a permanent lower class whose only hope for advance is more lawbreaking, and this constrains almost all of those who actually pursue an upwards economic path. The rest are hopeless, and rightfully so. There is little hope to be had.

    The root cause is bad legislators, bad law, bad police, and bad courts. There's actually no reason to expect this to work well. Nor does it.

    Now the cops are paying for it, a little bit, as the Internet makes public what used to be a quiet secret known only to the cops themselves and their victims. It won't be enough, though. Because it isn't just the cops. The entire system reinforces these results, from top to bottom.

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