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F-Troop and the 'Internet of Thingies' (Video)

F-Troop? This is an interview with IT journalist Tom Henderson, who managed to get a mention of F-Troop into a serious(ish) discussion of "Internet of Things" insecurities. And, says Tom, the more things we hook to the Internet, the more potential security problems we create. Is it time to unplug everything because of the growing amount of unvetted software we're adding to our home and business networks? Hmmm....

43 comments

  1. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This summary makes no sense. What is F-Troop? And who is Tom Henderson?

    1. Re:What? by grimmjeeper · · Score: 2

      It's an old TV show. It was before my time and I'm reaching greybeard status. No surprise a lot of people haven't heard of it.

    2. Re:What? by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 1

      And who is Tom Henderson?

      He's a wanker!*

      * With sincere apologies to the actual Tom Henderson being referenced here!!

    3. Re:What? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      It's an old TV show. It was before my time and I'm reaching greybeard status.

      Greybeard here....I watched it while still a wee lad. One the stars (and one of my first sort-of crushes) Melody Patterson died recently. She played the ever bodacious "Wrangler Jane", a feisty, no-nonsense gal who spawned a million teenage boy's fantasies.

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    4. Re:What? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      McHale's Navy would have been a better choice.

    5. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another greybeard here...I had forgotten about Wrangler Jane! What a great, silly, show F-Troop was. I think I'll go look for some video on the Internet!

    6. Re:What? by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      This summary makes no sense. What is F-Troop?

      F-Troop is the former name of the Millwall Bushwackers, Milwall FC's hooligan firm.

      No-one likes us, no-one likes us, no-one likes us, we don't care...

  2. The Internet of Things by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Starring Ken Berry and Forest Tucker. I guess it's better than "The Internet of Things, RFD"...

    Oh, and get off my lawn.

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    1. Re:The Internet of Things by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      I'm warning you, Dobbs...

    2. Re:The Internet of Things by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      I'm warning you, Dobbs...

      Hey, Don't mess with someone who plays a bugle like that,
      He might do it again!

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    3. Re:The Internet of Things by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      I'm warning you, Dobbs...

      Damn, now I feel old.

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    4. Re:The Internet of Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Starring Ken Berry and Forest Tucker...

      Ahem... Er... there was also another somewhat significant player in "F-Troop" -- Larry Storch as Coporal Agarn.

      I can't remember the character and actor names of the chief and his assistant, but they were both incredible, too.

    5. Re:The Internet of Things by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Larry Storch was great - and in a lot of ways it was more like an ensemble cast, rather than one or two main characters driving the whole story.

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  3. F-Troop IS for serious discussions. by meglon · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Don't think of it as retreating, think of it as advancing in a different direction."

    Pups.

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  4. My Mother, the car by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    yep, that will be your ID-I.O.T. car.

  5. Unplug? Do you even IoT, brah? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    >> Is it time to unplug everything because of the growing amount of unvetted software we're adding to our home and business networks?

    Unplug, eh? Well I've heard about this cool new technology called "WiFi" that may someday replace all the coax and twisted pair cables that connect all our phones and computers today.

    1. Re:Unplug? Do you even IoT, brah? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      >> Is it time to unplug everything because of the growing amount of unvetted software we're adding to our home and business networks?

      Unplug, eh? Well I've heard about this cool new technology called "WiFi" that may someday replace all the coax and twisted pair cables that connect all our phones and computers today.

      Was my thought also. Which means, it's not necessary to unplug, just don't give the thingy your wifi password.

      You *do* have a wifi password, right?

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    2. Re:Unplug? Do you even IoT, brah? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I already have 3 rather expensive devices I do not plug into the network. All of them can be easily rooted 5 mins on google and an hour or to of a bit of software... You think IoT devices will be any different? Even if it is wireless? I have worked in this field. *NONE* of the major providers pay it more than lip service. A few of them even attempt to do security thru obscurity and then get mad when you point out how much that sucks.

    3. Re:Unplug? Do you even IoT, brah? by derrickn · · Score: 1

      Hey! I still "rewind" my DVR ...

  6. Is it time to unplug? by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Is it time to unplug everything

    Not necessarily. But it IS far past time to plug things in "just because we can" without thinking though the consequences.

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    1. Re:Is it time to unplug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it IS far past time to plug things in "just because we can" without thinking though the consequences.

      [Sigh] That's what she said.

  7. Someone doesn't understand F Troop by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    As per all comedies of this genre (good natured, but apparent bumbling idiots), regardless of their activities they managed to have saved the day before the final credits rolled. And while they may have been stripped of their ranks at a point in the narrative, they all had them back by the same time next week.

    He could easily have mentioned Gilligan's island, Get Smart or Police Squad and still been just as wrong.

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  8. I know it's over-the-top fiction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know it's over the top fiction, but last night's Scorpion was a prime example of where not to put computer controls. They had computer-controlled sprinklers. Duh! Sprinklers are designed to go off when hot. You don't need a computer. The fire would have been out in 10 seconds if they used old fashioned sprinklers. Doors. They had doors that could be locked by computer... but with no handle to get out from the inside, thus turning the building into a prison. Duh. Fire safety 101 is that you have the ability to get out, with crash-bars and such.

    Of course like I said it was over-the-top fiction with a lot of silly stuff that would never happen, like windows you can explode out with a Bic lighter; but the idea is that there's a time and place for tech.

    1. Re:I know it's over-the-top fiction... by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      I remember seeing computer controlled sprinklers in the movie Hackers, thinking it was a stupid idea back then. The same argument applied there too. What was the point of computerizing the controls to be able to set off and/or disable them? I guess Hollywood really is out of ideas.

    2. Re:I know it's over-the-top fiction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lawl, they had 'em in Demon Seed, and I bet that movie's older than you!

  9. Unplug? by grimmjeeper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it time to unplug everything because of the growing amount of unvetted software we're adding to our home and business networks?

    A lot of us never understood the point of plugging all that stuff into the internet in the first place.

  10. Or, it's just STUPID by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or, maybe the whole "internet of things" that a very small group of people seem to be talking about ALL THE FUCKING TIME is just an idiotic thing that isn't actually going to take off, because grownups understand that there are things that aren't necessarily meaningfully better (in ways that outweigh the new failure risks) connected to other things?

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    1. Re:Or, it's just STUPID by somenickname · · Score: 1

      Not only is it not going to take off, it's been in the process of not taking off for about 20 years. People have been plugging things like coffee pots into the internet since the 90s. I remember hearing Scott McNealy give a speech about how my refrigerator would soon be running Java and doing all sorts of things on the internet. In the 90s. It's not a new technological revolution, it's old technological ideas that are resurfacing because now that most people carry very powerful networked computers in their pockets, they think it would be great if everything had a networked computer in it. It won't. It will take what previously were decades reliable appliances, that could often be fixed by someone with a high school education, and turn them into more expensive, less reliable toys that the vendor plans to obsolete in 3 years.

    2. Re:Or, it's just STUPID by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      And add to your last statement: "...meanwhile serving back to its corporate masters every detail about you, your choices, your habits, your preferences, and every other piece of trivia its sensors can gather to sell to the highest bidder, to generate ultimately more revenue over the lifespan of the article than the original purchase by you."

      What a great world.

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  11. your IoT is holding you in a concentration camp by swschrad · · Score: 1

    just like Hogan's Heroes.

    (( who can get a Fred Kovacs reference in here? ))

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    1. Re:your IoT is holding you in a concentration camp by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      (( who can get a Fred Kovacs reference in here? ))

      The soccer player? Or do you mean Ernie Kovacs?

  12. IoT like TV remote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So my remote died. Can I walk over to the TV and operate it by pushing buttons or twisting dials there?

    So I unplug my IoT teapot, or refuse to give it my WiFi password. Can I still heat water with it?

    At early stages, both of those questions might be answered "yes." But TVs have largely moved to where you can do little more than turn the power on/off and change channels without the remote. And worse, with some these days, you can't even watch TV without connecting it to the Internet and pairing your phone to it to use a downloaded app (sorry not for Windows phones) to operate it.

    I don't want my TV connected to the Internet unless it's effectively read-only, and especially I don't want one with a camera and microphone watching and listening to me all the time. And transmitting same to somebody on the Internet. The TV should be, at most, a monitor on some other box that has the power to run a real firewall and AV, if it is used to view Internet-transmitted material.

    I don't want my teapot telling Amazon or whoever how many times I've operated it and, presumably, made tea (or coffee, using a Melita aka (Starbuckspeak) pourover). //s/ Curmudgeon

  13. Its really not that hard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Build a server that talks to the internet.
    All IOT devices ONLY talk to this server via public key encryption. If the devices can't talk directly to the internet, far fewer ways for these devices to be used against the owners of them.

  14. Ze Burgular of Bamf... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..ff ...fff! (One of my favorite episodes!)

  15. Watch your toaster! by mspohr · · Score: 1
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  16. Yep, time to unplug by kheldan · · Score: 1

    Is it time to unplug everything because of the growing amount of unvetted software we're adding to our home and business networks?

    No; it's time to unplug everything because everything is being used more and more to spy on us and violate our privacy.

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  17. BPL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I surprised there isn't more use of Broadband over power lines (BPL) with the IoT. Talk about seamless connection, and no way to unplug that lamp from the 'net if you want to keep using it - it's like built in DRM. And chargeable devices would of course have local storage that would automatically phone home as soon as you plug in to charge it. (of course most chargeable devices already have wifi or bluetooth, and only rely on this where those aren't available. Thing like a table lamp with a built in hidden camera/mic on the other hand would be made for BPL.

    It's not only the state surveillance issues, it's the hackability issues, as the video points out.

  18. If I can't speed up the video, I am not watching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems like a wonderful video that I would love.

    IoT and F-Troop.

    But I ain't watching videos unless I can speed them.

    Sorry, it was you, not me.

  19. If the IOT leads to more movies like Swordfish... by rthille · · Score: 1

    Where Haley Berry takes most of her clothes off, it can't be a bad thing...

    Oh wait, even with that Swordfish was a horrible horrible thing.

    Never mind.

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  21. What's needed is sensible regulation. by marka63 · · Score: 1

    What's needed is sensible regulation like:
    all internet connectable devices must be able to upgrade the software components in the field.
    all internet connectable devices must be supported for reasonable periods after last customer shipment. Where reasonable periods is 10 years for TVs, routers, fridges, DVRs.

    Today it is ridiculous that buy a internet connectable TVs etc. and you get no bug fixes for from then manufacturers. We know that there will be bugs given the cost tradeoffs to be build the devices at a reasonable price and timeline but that is no excuse to not supply software fixes for the inevitable bugs that will be discovered.

  22. Where is the 2x speed button by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Video seems to be playing at 1/2 speed. Noone can really talk that slow.

  23. Test Bank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure that is better then u check again