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EU Passes Net Neutrality Rules, Fails To Close Loopholes (techcrunch.com)

An anonymous reader writes: European MEPs have voted to bring EU-wide net neutrality rules into effect next April. The rules most notably will abolish data roaming charges, a significant problem when country-hopping in Europe. Legislators hail the new rules as a major step forward, but critics point out that several major amendments failed to pass which would have closed serious loopholes in the rules. "Among the exceptions opposed by net neutrality supporters is one which allows providers to offer priority to 'specialized services,' providing they still treat the 'open' internet equally. Many had seen the exception as allowing providers to offer an internet fast lane to paying sites ... A different exception is aimed at situations where the limitation is not speed, but data usage. The EU's regulations allow 'zero rating,' a practice whereby certain sites or applications are not counted against data limits. That gives those sites a specific advantage when dealing with users with strict data caps such as those on mobile internet. Here's the full legislative text.

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  1. Re:Oh yeah baby by smittyoneeach · · Score: 0

    I tell ya: sometimes I can't figure out whether to H8 government for being repressive, or beg it for MOAR STUFF.

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  2. I just can't really rejoice by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Troll

    So, essentially, to make international calls cheaper for corporations (because frankly, what private citizen will need a lot of international calls, Europeans don't move routinely halfway across the continent other than US-Americans), we not only get more expensive basic cell coverage (because you don't expect telcos to foot the bill, do you?), we also get net neutrality trampled into the ground.

    I can't help but feel betrayed.

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    1. Re:I just can't really rejoice by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Tourists in the EU get a better deal. The EU telcos get a better deal in their Asian, African and South American markets/former colonies.
      Better to keep the markets captive than than have nations explore other cheaper telco methods or build their own networks.
      The real local test will be p2p use and new expensive upload plans. Download is fine on the slow lanes, dare to upload and a new expensive plan is suggested and needed.
      The "zero rating" agreements will push users to a select list of walled social media sites. Comments and votes can then be shaped, removed, reported, logged, tracked by govs/mil. On average a nations images, vids, text, comments be directed to a few easy to track social media sites due to zero rating freedoms :) Free speech on any news topic results in account issues and a visit by local government officials for a chat down.
      Also very difficult for new brands to get that now needed zero rating to attract users.

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    2. Re:I just can't really rejoice by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      The upload bandwidth for a cellphone is small compared to download. It's a physical limitation, more spectrum is allocated the downstream link.

    3. Re:I just can't really rejoice by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Think about the long term issues with a traditional desktop telco plan or wifi user at home not just todays cellphone plans.
      Will an upload peer-to-peer networking protocol be looked at by many providers and be legally shaped over time?
      The users UDP and TCP use is an issue that only a new expensive plan can help with could become the new option for providers looking to profit in new ways.

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    4. Re:I just can't really rejoice by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      the possibility to give some services the facebook 'zero' treatment is actually a really fucking minor problem when you can buy unlimited internet for under 10 bucks that does not have a strict cap to count against(and if you can buy that sim from another country then yeehaw).

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    5. Re:I just can't really rejoice by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      The problem is exactly that it will no longer be unlimited internet. What good is an infinite data plan if the speed gets throttled to a few bits per hour?

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    6. Re:I just can't really rejoice by locofungus · · Score: 2

      because frankly, what private citizen will need a lot of international calls

      This has come about, partly, because some people were incurring huge roaming charges without even going abroad.

      For example, in some parts of the south coast of England it's possible (sometimes even likely) that you'll get a much better mobile signal from France than from the UK.

      People had to have two sims - and remember to put the French one in when at home and the English one in when they went to town.

      Then, a mobile operator would put up a new mast in the UK - some people who used to get a French signal now got that new mast instead. And so now they were using their French sim which used to avoid roaming charges and got roaming charges.

      I presume similar happens (probably even more commonly) on any of the other international borders in Europe but it was the problems for people on the south coast that I've seen reported on in the past.

      I also suspect that the fact that if you are "in the know" you can roam cheaply - just buy a cheap sim in each country you visit - also influenced the lawmakers. And the fact that consumers were able to run up HUGE bills without realizing, tens of thousands of pounds in some cases. In the EU, in business to consumer contracts, it's generally supposed that the business will do everything in their power to ensure that the consumer gets what they (reasonably) expect and "catching out" consumers is not looked upon favourably even if a contract apparently allows it.

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    7. Re:I just can't really rejoice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few score kilobits, moron.

      Don't try to dramatize by making shit up, it only makes you look like a hysteric.

      And, yes, this will make "broadband" style use pointless at that rate, but you will still be able to use most services, just not video streaming or internet heavy gaming ones. If doing without that is so bad, you need more than cheap internet.

      It's better than just charging for more Gb, since you don't know what your bill will be, so you will use less than the posted amount to "make sure", and you no longer have always on connection, a more important factor of broadband than the raw speed.

    8. Re:I just can't really rejoice by Alioth · · Score: 1

      Many private citizens need them. Lots of people go on vacation to different European countries. Many people in the EU live close to a border. You don't have to go halfway across the continent to be stung with extortionate roaming charges (often from the same company your contract is with - e.g. O2 Ireland charging O2 UK people huge roaming charges because they went 2 miles over the border).

      Basic cell coverage will remain inexpensive due to competition, which will actually increase. Live in France and don't like the selection of French providers? Well you can use a German one or a Spanish one or an Italian one at no penalty because of the abolition of in-EU roaming charges.

      Right now people have to carry multiple SIM cards to get around roaming charges which is awkward.

    9. Re:I just can't really rejoice by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I'm really looking forward to being able to use foreign SIMs in my home country without penalty. It should make the spy's jobs a little harder, having to go after foreign service providers to grab the data they expect to be handed by cooperative businesses in their own countries. I'm sure they will get it, but it's still just one extra step, a little extra cost for them.

      Also, some EU countries don't have such horrific data retention laws as the UK, so there's another bonus.

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    10. Re:I just can't really rejoice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need to move halfway through the continent.
      I live in Belgium, work in Luxembourg (25 km away from home), and often spent time in France (30 km away) and Germany (150 km away).
      150k+ peoples cross Luxembourg borders for work daily, all of them are concerned by roaming fees. (Especially for data)
      The same, to a lesser degree, with anyone living near a border in EU.

      Offers including (limited free roaming) are becoming common, but there are still restricted and usually more expensive.

      The 'no roaming fee' rule used to be promised for mid-2016, but the Telcos complained ... Now we will have to wait for 2017, but better late than never.

    11. Re: I just can't really rejoice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here in NY. The towers in Canada provide a much better signal than those in Niagara Falls.

    12. Re:I just can't really rejoice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's also a problem with DSL

    13. Re:I just can't really rejoice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right now people have to carry multiple SIM cards to get around roaming charges which is awkward.
      Flag as Inappropriate

      There are plenty of dual SIM phones, and SIM cards aren't really that hard to carry around.

    14. Re:I just can't really rejoice by Xest · · Score: 1

      "because frankly, what private citizen will need a lot of international calls, Europeans don't move routinely halfway across the continent other than US-Americans"

      Speak for yourself. My wife goes to Brussels for work fairly frequently, but doesn't have a work phone (she doesn't really need one, or want one) so it's nice that she can still phone home or text home without any additional cost when this comes into effect.

      Similarly we have a wedding in France next year, and we regularly go on weekend trips to the continent. The fact this law includes phone calls, text, and data, is fantastic. The fact I'll be able to use Google maps for GPS anywhere in Europe now without facing an extortionate data bill is an amazing change. I no longer have to turn my smartphone into a dumb phone by disabling data every time I step on a fucking plane or boat.

      I doubt this will increase costs at home, because frankly there is enough competition to ensure that wont happen. It'll also incentivise networks across Europe to enter into each national market, and hence increase competition further.

      Yes, I'm pissed off about the weak net neutrality protections too. But the roaming change is a massively beneficial incredibly pro-consumer move, to paint it otherwise is frankly retarded.

  3. Not a loophole, that's reality by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Who cares if you offer a much faster speed for more money as long as everything else is on the same footing?

    What people REALLY worry about are some services being *slowed*. Mind you, net neutrality doesn't address that really - but that's actually what people want when they claim they want Net Neutrally. The extra rules will herm no-one and allow for extra services people will enjoy.

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    1. Re:Not a loophole, that's reality by cbeaudry · · Score: 1

      It seems to lack imagination.

      I foresee internet speeds growing slowly reducing the new normal until there is a "for pay" fast lane.

    2. Re:Not a loophole, that's reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think net neutrality would mean that if you give special priority to voice, or to slow video down, it needs to be equal among all VOIP or video sites, not just ones that are paying or not paying.

      I don't think the legislation addressed that. (American in US.)

    3. Re:Not a loophole, that's reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Services that pony up for the fast lane lead create a market that encourages the ISP to stop improving the slower/regular lane so then everyone has to pony up for the fast lane.

    4. Re:Not a loophole, that's reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if they had made this decision in the 90s and only certain special offers ever became available at broadband speed, while everything else was left "on the same footing" at 56k?

    5. Re:Not a loophole, that's reality by maharvey · · Score: 1

      Sort of like airlines. Who cares if first class is more money as long as everyone else is on the same footing?

      What people really worry about is coach class being *downgraded* so it is cramped and miserable. Surely this two-tier structure harms no one and produces extra services people enjoy.

      (That analogy may be a stretch, but it is interesting food for thought.)

    6. Re:Not a loophole, that's reality by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      It's a false premise, because people want fast speeds for everything - and are willing to pay for it. I pay more than the base speed of Internet of comcast because I want overall faster speed. Would I be willing to pay some small additional charge to have Netflix have some guaranteed level of performance? Yes, but that doesn't mean I do not want and will ALSO pay for fairly fast speeds for everything else. If the "faster speed for this service" is too much, then I would simply buy an even higher level of overall performance, so the pricing is naturally corrective.

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    7. Re:Not a loophole, that's reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the idea behind these "roaming fees" was to differentiate between business users on corporate salaries and local users on low-income salaries. Since it was the business people doing the travelling, then it made sense to invent "roaming fees". The argument was "Oh, we need these fees to handle the extra traffic on the network from all these extra users". But since business people are travelling in both directions to and from a country, that would cancel out. Business users could write it off as a tax-deductible expense, in much the same way as some hotels charge hundreds of dollars for Wi-Fi access.

      When phones become affordable to tourists going on package holidays, suddenly paying ten times much to make a local call was totally ridiculous. In any case, they could simply swap out their SIM card for a PAYG bought at the local airport or supermarket. Thus eliminating the need to pay roaming fees at all. The only side effect is to introduce the inconvenience of swapping out SIM cards and having a new number.

    8. Re:Not a loophole, that's reality by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "Who cares"

      People who recognize that speeding up A is the equivalent to slowing down not A care.

    9. Re:Not a loophole, that's reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that this now means the isps have every reason and incentive to NEVER increase basic speeds ever again. So the internet will stagnate on that level - any newer speed will be for "prioritized traffic" that will eventually become their paid fast lanes.

    10. Re:Not a loophole, that's reality by tao · · Score: 1

      Coach class being downgraded is a far too sad reality these days though. A lot of airlines are introducing "light" versions of their coach class -- with even less service than normal, but instead of dropping the prices for that category, they position it where coach used to be and market the old coach as plus, extra or similar.

      Then again, they're still a lot better than scum such as Ryanair...

    11. Re:Not a loophole, that's reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it's not just you who has to pay extra charges to get fast speeds on a service, it's the service provider. Good luck getting Netflix at a faster speed if they determine it's not worth it in your region.

    12. Re:Not a loophole, that's reality by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Except that's not at all true. Without speeding up any one thing, people will want a certain level of service for everything.

      Your problem is you have zero understand of people, the market, and the internet.

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  4. regex by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 2

    I have been running this regex on the whole internet since it's inception and it has never matched anything
    ".* passes .* rules, succeeds in closing all loopholes"

    1. Re:regex by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Someone need to invent a "no bullshit" regex to insert at the end of every law. As in, "here are the rules, and no bullshit".

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  5. Since when do rules lead to innovation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    ... The extra rules will herm no-one and allow for extra services people will enjoy.

    When does regulation lead to innovation that leads to extra services.

    Do you really think it's a coincidence that the internet and then cell phones and then smart phones all appeared in a few short years WITHOUT regulation? And that the only innovation from a century of REGULATED phone service was the replacement of operators with dial phones and then touch-tone phones?

    Can you really imagine smart phones developing if cell carriers had been under any net neutrality-like rules? What rule would apply to streaming video? What rule would apply to SMS texts? Since none of those existed, they're be no rule to allow them to be used.

    Rules and regulations de facto become barriers to entry into a market, thus protecting incumbents.

    It's called regulatory capture:

    Regulatory capture is a form of political corruption that occurs when a regulatory agency, created to act in the public interest, instead advances the commercial or political concerns of special interest groups that dominate the industry or sector it is charged with regulating.[1] Regulatory capture is a form of government failure; it creates an opening for firms or political groups to behave in ways injurious to the public (e.g., producing negative externalities). The agencies are called "captured agencies".

    ...

    Legal scholars have pointed to the possibility that federal agencies such as the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) had been captured by media conglomerates. Peter Schuck of Yale Law School has argued that the FCC is subject to capture by the media industries' leaders and therefore reinforce the operation of corporate cartels in a form of "corporate socialism" that serves to "regressively tax consumers, impoverish small firms, inhibit new entry, stifle innovation, and diminish consumer choice".[35] The FCC selectively granted communications licenses to some radio and television stations in a process that excludes other citizens and little stations from having access to the public.

    Yay "net neutrality".

    Sorry, the evidence does not support trusting government to solve these kinds of issues.

    It just doesn't. All the wishful believing (and it ISN'T "thinking") in the universe isn't going to change that.

    1. Re:Since when do rules lead to innovation? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 0

      I stopped reading at your question about streaming video on phones. Net Neutrality would have done nothing to affect those services. Well, I take that back, you would have gotten slower speeds from Netflix because lack of regulation would cause your carrier to extort them.

      You clearly don't understand what Net Neutrality is. You history of phone company innovation is amusing as well, but that's a separate discussion.

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    2. Re:Since when do rules lead to innovation? by ale2011 · · Score: 1

      Can you really imagine smart phones developing if cell carriers had been under any net neutrality-like rules? What rule would apply to streaming video? What rule would apply to SMS texts? Since none of those existed, they're be no rule to allow them to be used.

      That's because rulers cannot keep pace with innovators. Indeed, last year's leaked document naively noticed "a simplified principle-based approach, in order not to inhibit innovation and to avoid technological developments making the regulation obsolete". A rather self-discrediting stance, which just add[s] confusion for freedom of communication and online innovation, according to European Digital RIghts.

    3. Re:Since when do rules lead to innovation? by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >When does regulation lead to innovation that leads to extra services.

      Always, and without exception.
      Anything that creates an inconvenience creates the possibility of selling people a way to avoid that inconvenience.
      Here in my country for example there are several companies that make their money from offering a very simple service: standing in government office queues for you.
      You need to renew your car license and don't want to spend half the day waiting to get helped - you give them the paperwork and some money, they go do it and deliver the new license disk right to your home.

      Some government offices even started adding a special priority lane for them -since each staff member who gets to the front has dozens of applications to handle and that way they don't hold up the other lanes where people are coming one at a time.

      Even something as simple as "slow queues" created a business opportunity which somebody innovated a service to get around.

      Now how VALUABLE these services are is debatable - the broken window fallacy concept would say "not much if anything" but you weren't asking for services that would be valueable regardless of regulation and the broken window fallacy is frequently over-applied.
      I'm not sure it's true that it applies in this case at all. It would only be a valid example, I think, if the purposes of the regulation were not ALSO valuable. Licensing cars for use on the road is not a proposition without merit. So making that easier on consumers (especially those whose time are particularly valuable) is not without value.
      Putting food on somebody's table while you're at it is a not insignificant bonus.

      My reading here is that these EU regulations were done with a degree of stupid that makes the name utterly inappropriate and they are adding no value and utterly ignored the whole POINT of having them in the first place.
      So with that considered, it's definitely more in the broken window region - but make no mistake, if people get annoyed, somebody will find a way to make money out of reducing that annoyance.

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    4. Re: Since when do rules lead to innovation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Net neutrality has two definitions, the technical one in which all data is shaped uniformly based on protocol, content type, or other factor, and the political one, which is economic at it's core and not neutral in any way.

  6. Re:Whodathunk; The United States of Europa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe, but not as much as it sucks to be you, since you're obviously a complete retard.

  7. Re:Oh yeah baby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I embrace the Bigger Digger Trigger.

  8. Bullshit me not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FTFA
    http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/27/ep-telecoms-vote/

    The devil, as ever, is in the detail.

            (16) There is demand on the part of providers of content, applications and services to be able to provide electronic communication services other than internet access services, for which specific levels of quality, that are not assured by internet access services, are necessary.

    Do you even English? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run-on_sentence

    Such specific levels of quality are, for instance, required by some services responding to a public interest or by some new machine-to-machine communications services.

    Do you even English? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run-on_sentence

    Providers of electronic communications to the public, including providers of internet access services, and providers of content, applications and services should therefore be free to offer services which are not internet access services and which are optimised for specific content, applications or services, or a combination thereof, where the optimisation is necessary in order to meet the requirements of the content, applications or services for a specific level of quality.

    Do you even English. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run-on_sentence

    Fucking A. Fucking F.

    National regulatory authorities should verify whether and to what extent such optimisation is objectively necessary to ensure one or more specific and key features of the content, applications or services and to enable a corresponding quality assurance to be given to end-users, rather than simply granting general priority over comparable content, applications or services available via the internet access service and thereby circumventing the provisions regarding traffic management measures applicable to the internet access services.

    Get 100% fucked.

    This reads like the Microsoft "click to accept" agreement Windows users supposedly all read when they accept the Windows 10 spyware install.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyp9fh-u4w8

  9. This makes one country lose net neutrality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    In the EU at least one country already had net neutrality: The Netherlands. It was adopted in a few weeks after all major mobile providers decided to ask money based on what service you use instead of data or bandwidth.

    The thing is, this legislation overrides ours. Which means we will actually lose net neutrality.

    Really bad, because the current law had no loopholes. And no problems, you still get great speeds for very little money, and everyone who wants to create a new service has a guarantee the providers will treat them fairly.

    Let's hope the ISPs made themselves so unpopular last time they tried letting people pay extra if they wanted to use facebook or WhatsApp that they will not try again.

    1. Re:This makes one country lose net neutrality by Some+nick+or+other · · Score: 1

      This is what I don't get: if these EU-wide laws are supposed to be a step forward, why not just have them be minimum standards? Then each country can still be more strict about its net neutrality and no single country will be less neutral than the minimum standard.

      Might that suggest that there's a very different reason for these laws to begin with?

    2. Re:This makes one country lose net neutrality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The EU regulations are minimum standards. What Net Neutrality proponents wanted was to force a high minimum on everyone, which is tough when there's 20+ countries involved.

      You'd have to read the actual text to see, but I doubt it conflicts with any current laws in the Netherlands.

      BTW, this doesn't override the Dutch legislation. If there's a conflict all the EU can do is jump up and down and complain and threaten with fines. The EU has no police force to enforce anything on the ground.

    3. Re:This makes one country lose net neutrality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what I don't get: if these EU-wide laws are supposed to be a step forward, why not just have them be minimum standards?

      Most of the time they are, but from reading the "loophole" in the net neutrality rule I see big flashing lights that screams "bought addition".

  10. Re:Oh yeah baby by KGIII · · Score: 2

    These posts are a lot funnier if you just assume the poster is black.

    Seeing as we're off topic... I'd not say the problem is "niggers" (of which I'm partially one - if you're using the black African as the definition) but the problem is poverty, corruption, abuse from the wealthy, and generally people. I don't actually think the problem is, as you so eloquently put it, niggers. I think the problem is people - that's the pattern I'm seeing as well as the other metrics.

    As an aside: Spell check is racist! It gives me the red squiggly line of defeat when I type Obama but it has nary a problem when I type nigger.

    As another interesting aside, well, interesting to me... My black heritage comes from the black people who fought on the side of the Brits during the Revolution. After the war they insisted they be allowed to take the blacks with them because they'd promised them freedom and the King's promise was kind of, sort of, important at that time. They first went to Haiti but that was short term. They were then shipped to Nova Scotia. That's where my Micmac comes from as they were all encouraged to rut like rabbits. Then, my great grandmother (a Hawksworth/Turner) moved to Massachusetts and married her a mixed race person. This led to my father who was quite a mutt by that point who married my Irish mother. This was quite a stink during those days. Especially since my mother was a Prescott. (Yes, same family.) Anyhow, those two fine, upstanding, people built me out of spare parts.

    I mean, well, if we're going to go off-topic about race we might as well go all the way.

    I say that to mention, again, that I'm pretty open and curious about racial differences be they cultural or natural. I've given this some thought - I've even used some of that stuff they call logic (newfangled stuff, you might not have heard of it) and I've pretty much concluded that people suck regardless of skin color. They only get worse when you throw in a lack of education, financial growth, abuse, and mistreatment. Imagine that?

    See, you probably weren't expecting a semi-serious reply. However, there you have it. Yes, yes I do need sleep. When the questionnaire asks what my race is, as some are wont to do, I select the "other" option and write in "human."

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  11. anonymous by lantaikayu · · Score: 1

    nice for article

  12. Europe doesn't need this by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    Internet regulation is only needed when there's a monopoly. Otherwise we can rely on competition to provide a service that people want. Each European country has its own telecoms system, which may or may not hold a monopoly. No company or cartel has control over Europe though.

    Some countries might. But there's the thing; just because Europe didn't pass the full regulations, doesn't mean the individual member states can't.

    1. Re:Europe doesn't need this by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      However, wired internet service is a natural monopoly, since running the "last mile" cable or fiber is expensive. If the country has a public backbone that ISPs can rent bandwidth on, it will have competition among the ISPs.

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    2. Re:Europe doesn't need this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oligarchy. Competition in no way limits price fixing. For reference see history.

    3. Re:Europe doesn't need this by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      An oligarchy is not competition. It's a cartel.

      If you have a cartel then you should regulate.

    4. Re:Europe doesn't need this by Xest · · Score: 1

      "Internet regulation is only needed when there's a monopoly."

      Nonsense, companies are equally capable of acting in concert with each other to price fix. The big 6 energy companies in the UK are a prime example of this.

      Competition isn't much use if businesses just work together to agree not to compete on certain things because they know there's more profit for all of them in them acting as a cartel, than there is in competing with each other.

    5. Re:Europe doesn't need this by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Fine. If it's a cartel or a monopoly.

  13. Hey, I've been running it too! by Ecuador · · Score: 1

    Hey, I've been running it too and I just got a hit!
    Oh wait...
    Nevermind...

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  14. Common law system, remember. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And much of that is the obvious intent of the law.

    Moreover, charging for special access would be extortion.

    This does not, of course, stop judges being arseholes ignorant of what the internet is, but the law doesn't cover every eventuality, and would be pointless to try, since lawyers will still be paid millions to find out ways to misinterpret the law in their clients' favour.

  15. Your fear is unwarranted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The EU directives are NOT your law. The directives are to be implemented by your lawmakers into law.

    Given you already have just such a law, even going further, your current law is already in agreement with the EU directive and your law will not have to change.

    What WILL have to change is the law of your neighbours, which will make your countrymen living on their border better protected against scamming unexpected bills.

  16. No roaming in Europe except... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..except non-EU contries which still can charge exorbitant fees.
    Example: Switzerland which has many laws aligned as if it were EU member. Not the one for roaming though. I guess it's Swisscom lobbying the government, because these things bring them a lot of profit (in particular because it's also a popular tourist destination).