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US Tech Giants Increasingly Partner With Military-Connected Chinese Companies

theodp writes: The New York Times reports that analysts and officials in the American military community are increasingly examining a recent trend among U.S. tech companies of forming new partnerships with Chinese firms that have ties to the Chinese military. Critics are concerned that the growing number of such deals could inadvertently improve the fundamental technology capabilities of the Chinese military — or worse, harm United States national security. "One Chinese technology company receives crucial technical guidance from a former People's Liberation Army rear admiral," notes the Times. "Another company developed the electronics on China's first atomic bomb. A third sells technology to China's air-to-air missile research academy. Their ties to the Chinese military run deep, and they all have something else in common: Each Chinese company counts one of America's tech giants — IBM, Cisco Systems or Microsoft — as a partner." A blurring of the lines among many companies that supply military and commercial technology makes it difficult to know what cooperation might result in technology ultimately being used by China's military. "The Chinese companies are required to do the best for their government. American companies say they are only answerable to their shareholders," said James McGregor of the consulting firm Apco Worldwide. "So who is looking out for the United States?"

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  1. Multinationals have no country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Multinationals like IBM and Oracle are only "American" when they are bidding on Government contracts.

    1. Re:Multinationals have no country by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      I love how having a veteran at the top who is a member of a political party makes them a government stooges in China, but the US asserts the same in a US company shouldn't be held against it on the international stage.

      The US, home of double standards.

    2. Re: Multinationals have no country by mi · · Score: 2

      Wouldn't it be great if we could turn China into a ally instead of an adversary?

      Absolutely. We don't really have any enemies in this world — only friends, whose grievances we haven't accommodated yet. Our own fault entirely.

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    3. Re: Multinationals have no country by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Unfortunately it's about as likely as solving global warming by switching power generation to clean abundant fairy dust.

      Why is it unlikely? There are almost no significant disagreements between China and America. There is a dispute over some uninhabited rocks that are claimed by both China and Japan. There is also a dispute between China and the Philippines over Scarborough Shoal, which is also uninhabited. Since we have mutual defense treaties with both Japan and the Philippines, these disputes involve us. But that's it: a handful of rocks.

      China has territorial disputes with India, Vietnam, Indonesia, etc. But none of those countries are American allies, so it isn't our problem.

      Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang, etc. are also not in dispute. America recognizes them all as part of China.

      China violates the rights of Chinese citizens, but that is not something that we can control, or even significantly influence. Besides, they are no worse than many other countries that are our allies.

      So why is it inevitable that America and China be adversaries? I think the main reason is that Russia is not longer a big threat, and we need a boogey man to justify the MIC. Since China has it's own MIC to appease, this mutual scare mongering works out well for everyone.

    4. Re: Multinationals have no country by myowntrueself · · Score: 2

      So, you are advocating that we invade them and slaughter pretty much everybody and then set up a puppet government?

      Well aside from the fact that America does even this very badly, this is what America does best...

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    5. Re: Multinationals have no country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because the Chinese gov is in a cold war with the west, esp. America. The constant computer attacks on the west, along with the massive number of spies here, combined with China's support for dictators, pretty much ordains it. Worst of all, their military strategy is NOT defensive, but offensive. With an offense, you must use it first or lose it.

    6. Re: Multinationals have no country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wrong. America does not recognise Taiwan as part of China. America does not subscribe to the "one-China" policy.

    7. Re: Multinationals have no country by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      But that's it: a handful of rocks.

      Don't deceive yourself, it's not about rocks, it's about natural resources and trade routes.

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    8. Re: Multinationals have no country by ToddInSF · · Score: 2

      THIS, a thousand times, THIS.

      Ignorance is not an excuse, and the bulk of remarks here about China ARE based on sheer ignorance.

      The US isn't "just as bad" as China. The ONLY people saying that are the Chinese apologists and the stupid.

      The US has harmed itself, severely, by permitting US corporations so much control of our government. That's how the Chinese have essentially bought their way into respect, despite not being deserving of it. And int he process they put Americans out of work, and bought-up US companies.

      It's idiotic that we permitted it, but it's been over a decade now of that shit and we pretty much deserve what's coming.

  2. Complainers gonna complain by alexhs · · Score: 2

    And when Chinese tech companies are forming partnerships with American firms that have ties to the American military, critics complain that they will get crucial technology and sneak in backdoors, which could inadvertently improve the fundamental technology capabilities of the Chinese military — or worse, harm United States national security.

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  3. Military-Connected US Tech Giants... by mbone · · Score: 3, Informative

    Military-Connected US Tech Giants Increasingly Partner With Military-Connected Chinese Companies

    There, fixed that headline for you.

  4. Because what could possibly go wrong? by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Aside from making the USA completely dependent on Chinese hardware, and giving away every single military secret or giving the Chinese the power to put in electronic backdoors in everything so as to neutralize any digital device depending on radio...

    But corporations, and those who run them have no "country" other than money, and that country keeps them comfortable anywhere. They don't even care who wins the wars, as long at the profits keep rolling in.

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  5. Free shipping! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Chinese will soon have the cost of the F-35 reduced to $2.7 million (even less if ordered in quantities of 3 or more) and free shipping!

    1. Re:Free shipping! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Yeah only free shipping if you don't mind a 3 week wait. Of course they'll happily ship it by Fedex, but how much would that cost on an F35? Probably about $15 million AND it will go to the wrong address, be signed by some guy called "Dave" and sit on his front lawn for the entire week you have to spend on the phone to Fedex to get it back.

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  6. Nothing new by Beeftopia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I remember back in the 90s, when Loral sold US missile and space technology to the Chinese, after spending six to seven figures on key political figures and receiving waivers.

    Donors want favors, politicians want money, it's a symbiotic relationship (politicians shake down donors, donors view it as an investment/protection money) which has become more and more overt over the years. It undermines the rule of law of course, and leads to corruption, but as long as politicians keep getting re-elected and donors keep getting what they want, the system will continue.

    1. Re:Nothing new by blindseer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That is why I believe we should have term limits. I don't mean that one can only serve two terms like POTUS, I mean a person can serve one term in any given office. That should contain the corruption somewhat.

      An inevitable retort, "What of a politician that is really good at his/her job?" Then they can run for a different office. If you do the math someone can serve a series of public offices, from school board to US senator, an stay in public office for 20 years. If you add in things like VPOTUS and POTUS, it's 30 years or so. Add in appointed offices like ambassadors, flag officers (generals and admirals), judges/justices, and cabinet positions then a person could be a public employee for their entire adult life.

      Nobody is that good that we cannot find someone to replace them given the entire US population to draw from. Politicians, like diapers, needs to be changed often and for the same reason. We should not have senators who, once in office, only leave it feet first.

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    2. Re:Nothing new by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is why I believe we should have term limits. I don't mean that one can only serve two terms like POTUS, I mean a person can serve one term in any given office. That should contain the corruption somewhat.

      It doesn't seem to work in practice. In places that have term limits, lobbyists gain more power, because the lobbyists get more and more experience at manipulating fresh, naive politicians. And once the politicians learn better, they get kicked out.

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  7. belief is that people take care of #1, so use that by raymorris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The belief is that people do in fact generally tend to try to take care of themselves and their families, to "be selfish". Since that isn't going to change, when making decisions about economic systems it's wise to recognize that fact and use it to your advantage. A simple example:

    A successful system requires that people work.
    People want to have money.
    Therefore, a system in which people get money by working is more likely to be successful.

    That's technically not a -capitalist- view, it's a liberty view. Strictly speaking, capitalism is something very specific and not actually that closely related. Capitalism recognizes that:
    A successful economy requires investment (ships, factories, etc). This is called CAPITAL.
    Capital invested may be lost, and in any event it's unavailable for other use so long as it is invested.
    Therefore, whomever puts aside their own money and rather thean spending it, invests it into capital (401k) fairly should share in the rewards generated by their investment.

    That's capitalism, very simple. The opposite view is that the elite class should forcefully take your money to invest in capital, take the rewards of investment themselves, then spread those out as they see fit. That's communism. Then you have the option to mix the two, whuch is called socialism.

  8. Collateral by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 2

    "Capital invested may be lost, and in any event it's unavailable for other use so long as it is invested."

    I wish that were true. But have you heard of the word "collateral", not as in collateral damage, but as in the thing that you put in your loan application? Yes, it's possible to use the same money in more than one investment. The financial system is really a massive Ponzi scheme until the people start panicking and try to cash out.