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HP Is Now Two Companies. How Did It Get Here? (cio.com)

New submitter joshroberts3388 writes: If Hollywood wanted a script about the inexorable decline of a corporate icon, it might look to Hewlett-Packard for inspiration. Once one of Silicon Valley's most respected companies, HP officially split itself in two on Sunday, betting that the smaller parts will be nimbler and more able to reverse four years of declining sales. HP fell victim to huge shifts in the computer industry that also forced Dell to go private and have knocked IBM on its heels. Pressure from investors compelled it to act. But there are dramatic twists in HP's story, including scandals, a revolving door for CEOs and one of the most ill-fated mergers in tech history, that make HP more than a victim of changing times.

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  1. Failing upwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And after buggering up HP so bad as to cause this split, that CEO is now running for president.

    1. Re:Failing upwards by steak · · Score: 2

      fiorina hasn't been ceo of hp for 10 years

    2. Re:Failing upwards by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      fiorina hasn't been ceo of hp for 10 years

      And notably, during that time zero other companies offered her the CEO position.

      It's not impossible for a single disastrous CEO to bring a company down for a decade.

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    3. Re:Failing upwards by interval1066 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      She did leave HP a mess. She was the one to cause a lot of their top engineering talent to walk, she tried to shift HP to a products company with the Compaq acquisition which was a huge boondoggle in the end, and hp's stock price fell 55% under her watch. You don't get fired for doing a good job.

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    4. Re:Failing upwards by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      It appears to me sometimes, that a lot of CEOs spend their entire tenure as CEO . . . as NOT being the CEO. Instead, they spend all of their time doing interviews on CNBC and conference calls with with Wall Street analysts.

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    5. Re:Failing upwards by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 3, Interesting

      She also helped destroy the high quality instruments division before spinning it off as Agilent. That was the group whose technology quality helped keep HP's quality high, because the robust designs and high quality for HP instruments were a touchstone for quality in the the company's other departments. Since her advent, I've repeatedly shown partners and clients that they can buy more hardware, of better overall quality, for less money, than by insisting on HP. It does require some research, but when you're buying 100 servers you _do not care_ how many firewire ports it has, the graphical chipset, or how robust the decorative faceplate is. You care about CPU's, amount and quality of memory, and being able to afford dual power supplies _and_ dual UPS's and switches to plug them into.

    6. Re:Failing upwards by msauve · · Score: 2

      Yep. The current HP is a name only. The real HP legacy is Keysight Technologies (via Agilent). What's now called HP is really Compaq/DEC.

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    7. Re:Failing upwards by khallow · · Score: 2

      She also helped destroy the high quality instruments division before spinning it off as Agilent.

      Most of that was done before she came to power. She merely oversaw the final phase of the spin off of Agilent and had little to do with the spin off. The huge decline in the combined PC/server market share of HP/Compaq is her baby though.

    8. Re:Failing upwards by KGIII · · Score: 2

      And sure as hell not the good parts of Digital.

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  2. "How did it get there . . . ?" by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's not the important question. The interesting question is, "Where is it going . . . ?" I don't think HP's senior management can answer that question.

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    1. Re:"How did it get there . . . ?" by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      The interesting question is, "Where is it going . . . ?"

      Unless they turn things around, they're going down the shitter. It's really a shame too. There was a time when I wouldn't hesitate to purchase their products. For a very long time, I wouldn't think of purchasing a printer from another company. But that time is long past.

  3. changing times my ass by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 5, Interesting

    By all accounts things only started to go south when Bill and Dave left and were replaced by a series of bean counters with no sense for what gives a tech company positive buzz and positive sales growth. Carly being example 1. Meg being example 2.

  4. You mean 3 companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    HP sold off the original HP as Agilent.

  5. Re:What's the other company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    HP is splitting as "HP Inc." and "Hewlett-Packard Enterprise", which is quite boring. It would have been more fun to split as "Hewlett" and "Packard".

  6. Re:What's the other company? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    HP is splitting as "HP Inc." and "Hewlett-Packard Enterprise".

    Each shareholder gets one share of HP Inc and one share of HPE for each original share, but to maintain his investment each shareholder is required to buy one additional HPE share each month at current market, or his whole investment becomes worthless.

  7. The Good Parts of HP have been gone for years. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The good parts of HP have been gone for a long time.

    The Corvalis Group was pretty much just dismantled.

    The Instruments group became Agilent.

    The part that is left is a bunch of ink grifters in the printing division and a bunch of shitty clone sellers in the computer division.

    It's not at all the same company that it was. And it has nothing to do with Carly, she only became CEO years after the decline. The Cold War killed HP. They couldn't continue to sell instruments and equipment to the Military at sky-high prices, the business they were doing in the 60's became comodified. The back labs at HP filled up with boomers who though they could ride the gravy train to retirement but it wasn't going to happen.

    1. Re:The Good Parts of HP have been gone for years. by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 3, Informative

      > They couldn't continue to sell instruments and equipment to the Military at sky-high prices, the business they were doing in the 60's became comodified

      They also sold to coporate customers, who discovered that instead of paying thousands for an oscilloscope, they could pay hundreds for a plug-in digital board with far less precision and frequency range, but they _did not care_. HP disdained to enter the low-end instrument market, and couldn't maintain the formerly very high revenue stream as modern A/D converters improved. They could have continued in a much more modest way: few modern technicians understand that _the oscilloscope probe _matters_ and needs to be taken into account very differently at different fruquency ranges in your measurements, and the old HP instruments took their tuning for accuracy _seriously_ to preserve precision. Now? Good luck finding that switching power supply harmonic creeping its way into your motherboard and causing errors because some cheap vendor discarded the small, extra ceramic capacitors to save price and board space on their latest design.

    2. Re:The Good Parts of HP have been gone for years. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      I'll just fire up my Tek 7603 'scope with the differential comparator plugin to find that harmonic. I don't have a matched set of probes so won't get 100 dB of common mode rejection, but it'll do the job.

      I never really liked the old HP analog scopes. I thought Tek made a far batter line.

  8. A quck guide by plopez · · Score: 2

    HP Inc. - printer, consumer electronics and low end servers. Basically unraveling the Compaq deal.
    HP Ent - disk arrays, high end servers, Open VMS (and therefore a lineage to DEC), Open Stack, Saas, and services. Services was once EDS and management is slowly and quietly putting a knife to it, thereby unraveling another deal made by Carly and the clowns.
    Agilent - split into Avago and Keysight.

    As far as services goes, other companies are having problems with a dying service part of the business. Probably due to the cloud convincing people they do not need IT services. That includes Oracle and IBM.

    So when you discuss HP please specify.

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  9. Re:What's the other company? by RabidReindeer · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... or his whole investment becomes worthless.

    Or was that "and"?

  10. Re:Don't you mean... by hackwrench · · Score: 2

    I have a hypothesis that goes for any president and "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" backs me up.

  11. Umm, not exactly by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "HP fell victim to huge shifts in the computer industry...."

    No, not really.

    What they fell victim to was Carly Fiorina, who skillfully drove a once-vibrant company into the ground and then walked away with millions, laughing at the suckers who got laid off as a result of her ham-handed management.

    It's no secret what ruined HP, and the thing that ruined HP is now running for president of the country. Fortunately she has ZERO chance of ever sitting in the White House, but it's an insult to everyone that this greedy, viscous bitch would dare to present herself as a viable candidate for the most powerful office in the land.

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  12. HPs failure summarized by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    HP went to hell in a basket because the board of directors keeps hiring McKinsey style business idiots to run the company. As a result, they by or merge with company after company and with the exception of their 20 year forey into the memristor which even today has yet to happen, they have absolutely no concept of innovation or market leadership. They for lack of a better term are a huge beige box vendor which tries to beige box everything they touch.

    I think the biggest and most impressive effort they've made in a really long time to be part of something bigger was the Itanium processor project with Intel. But sadly, whether it was them, Intel or both, Itanium failed because developers couldn't afford to get one.

    If you look closely at the list of CEOs that HP has had over the past 15 years, every one of them is someone that loves the word "synergize" and was hired by the board of directors to increase the value of their shares with absolutely no respect for the company itself. They probably all hang out on yachts filled with hookers talking about how great HP is without having the first clue as to what HP actually makes.

  13. Re:No product by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    HP hasn't had interesting product in living memory. The closest they came was buying WebOS and making a tablet, but they couldn't even follow through on that one. I'm not sure there was a future in that anyway, but at least if they'd followed through it would be something to move forward with.

    True on the consumer side, but on the enterprise/datacenter side they were producing some pretty interesting products in the last few years that were horribly marketed and/or sold. My personal favourite was the HP Moonshot which was a hyper-converged blade architecture and potentially one of the most interesting things in large-scale computing in years. However, it was hobbled by terrible marketing, and requiring you to have the solution architected (at your cost, mind) by HP's techs rather than allowing you to just buy the chassis and blades. I went through that process and it was such a pain in the ass that we ended up buying Cisco UCS (which was its own set of pains in the ass I won't get into).

    I think they did ease up that requirement for architecture, but I know myself and a lot of other people were really put off by the sales technique; like they were saying we were too dumb to know our own workload requirements and therefore they wanted to charge us for their service folks times to come architect it for us. They were acting like they had no competitor... and in that sort of density they sort of didn't when it was first unveiled. But tech moves quickly, and at the time it was felt that the kind of density Moonshot was offering was a nice to have and not a necessity, so most savvy IT managers and admins went with UCS or Dell's M1000e, and later started looking at platforms like Nutanix and Simplivity for the same workloads.