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Could Go Community's Threat of Public Shaming, Lifetime Bans Make Go a No-Go?
theodp writes: At first glance, the proposal for A Code of Conduct for the Go Community (attributed to Google's Andrew Gerrand) seems reasonable enough. How can you argue with the goal of treating everyone with respect and kindness? But the Devil is in the detail, and the proposed Code notes there soon could be consequences for calling someone an "idiot" or saying something is "so simple even my grandma could understand it" (the latter "marginalises women and the elderly by implying that something need be simple for an old woman to understand it"). And the punishment meted out by the Go Code of Conduct Working Group to those who find themselves on the receiving end of an anonymous complaint could be anything from nothing to "a request for a private or public apology, a private reprimand from the working group to the individual(s) involved, a public reprimand, an imposed vacation (for instance, asking someone to 'take a week off' from a mailing list or IRC), or a permanent or temporary ban from some or all Go spaces (mailing lists, IRC, etc.)." And no, this doesn't appear to be a goof. So, might individuals and companies think twice about embracing a programming language whose community's Code of Conduct threatens to ruin reputations and ban people from technical support resources for life? Too late to get this added to the list of questions for Alan Donovan and Brian Kernighan?
This is not adult behavior, this is childish behavior. They are attempting to coddle, marginalize, dictate speech, etc etc in an effort to control intent Adults can say that's stupid or you're a moron as part of normal healthy discourse it's intent that matters. Healthy razzing friendly banter etc etc is part of normal adult communication.
No sir I dont like it.
Discussion about codes of conduct is seen to "devolve" by those pushing these codes of conduct typically because people do start pointing out the hypocrisy that's typically strewn throughout these codes of conducts.
A clear example is the discussion about the Open Code of Conduct from a few months ago.
In that discussion, people started noting that the code of conduct essentially deemed it perfectly fine to discriminate in certain cases. For whatever reason, some of those pushing for the code of conduct were unable or unwilling to see the contradiction that was present. Not surprisingly, the discussion was locked/limited soon after it started. All in all, it's almost a perfect example of how discussion about horribly flawed codes of conduct is typically suppressed.
Or might individuals and companies embrace a programming language whose community that is polite and professional?
No, no they won't - When access to the community depends on the mercy of a self-appointed minimod with the power to ban you without recourse... No sane company will touch this with a ten foot pole.
If you read the actual proposal you will see that they have a range of options if someone is out of line.
Yep... Up to "a permanent or temporary ban from some or all Go spaces". Thanks for your five years of contributions, but you made the wrong person look bad without even realizing it - See ya, better luck next career!
The very fact that people keep mentioning Linus as a good example of why we "need" CoCs like this pretty much counts as its own best counterexample. He created the number one operating system in the world (if you include Android's market share), yet communities like this wouldn't even let him hang out in their playpen lest he hurt some poor snowflake's feelings. Yeah, thanks, I'll take a hundred productive-but-no-nonsense Torvalds over a kindler, gentler Gerrand any day.
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Nothing substantial in the link you provided paints the two disruptive BLM activists as "plants". In fact it concludes that there just was a lot of confusion going on among different BLM chapter in Seattle, and the site issued an important update to the whole story here: http://deadstate.org/blacklive...
So, who's really deluded and uninformed here ?
Same thing happened with Opal and with FreeBSD. It seems to always be the worst, most abusive people pushing for these updates.
They're using "harassment" or "politically correct" as an excuse to harass and be assholes to people they see as assholes, and aren't really considering they're far worse than anyone they're accusing. The FreeBSD thing is interesting because it's someone advocating the newly adopted CoC be used to boot Randi Harper, who hasn't contributed to the project in years, but feels fine harassing male contributors and also pushed for the CoC in the first place to control other peoples behaviour.
SJWs literally just put a young girl in the hospital for a suicide attempt because they didn't like how she drew some steven universe fanart.
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
'Steven Universe' fandom is melting down after bullied fanartist attempts suicide