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The Rise of Political Doxing (schneier.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Security guru Bruce Schneier predicts a new trend in hacking: political doxing. He points to the recent hack of CIA director Jack Brennan's personal email account and notes that it marks a shift in the purpose of email hacking: "Here, the attacker had a more political motive. He wasn't out to intimidate Brennan; he simply wanted to embarrass him. His personal papers were dumped indiscriminately, fodder for an eager press." Schneier continues, "As people realize what an effective attack this can be, and how an individual can use the tactic to do considerable damage to powerful people and institutions, we're going to see a lot more of it. ... In the end, doxing is a tactic that the powerless can effectively use against the powerful."

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  1. What a clever prediction by The-Ixian · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess this is why Bruce Schneier is a guru and gets the big bucks....

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    1. Re:What a clever prediction by thedonger · · Score: 2

      More like, "Bruce Schneier predicts current trend will continue based on observance of current trend continuing."

      There's already a word for it.

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    2. Re:What a clever prediction by Coisiche · · Score: 1

      True, although some elements of the press were never going to make a big thing of it because he's their golden boy.

      However it was all over social media and still inspires a few posts that I see. To many he will now only ever be known as pig-fucker.

  2. Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's a simple counter-measure - don't be ashamed of anything you do. Kind of hard to exert pressure on someone by revealing their personal stuff if they don't give a sh*t.

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    1. Re:Simple counter-measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or don't do anything to be ashamed of.

    2. Re:Simple counter-measure by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Its simply not that easy. People are always looking for weaknesses. Even if you own up to everything you have done, people will still look to take advantage of the information. Its a huge massive attack surface.

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    3. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      "Don't do anything that you wouldn't want to see on the front page of the New York Times."
      -- Confucius :-)

      It's still good advice. Unfortunately, many people are still ashamed of some aspects of their lives (physical, mental, sexual, etc) that they feel they need to keep in the closet. We're still prudes in many ways, and with the current trend to political correctness, we're becoming worse in some ways.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    4. Re:Simple counter-measure by Shoten · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a simple counter-measure - don't be ashamed of anything you do. Kind of hard to exert pressure on someone by revealing their personal stuff if they don't give a sh*t.

      Interesting. This is effectively the same as the argument put forth by the surveillance hawks who want to monitor everything. "Don't do anything that makes you look guilty, and there's nothing to worry about."

      The fact is that it's not just about personal shame. People have been pilloried over things they didn't have any problem with personally, but which in turn caused massive backlash...with real consequences...from the public. And also noteworthy is that in this case, personal information (like SSNs, names of family members, etc.) were also put out in the open. So it's not just about shame.

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    5. Re:Simple counter-measure by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

      You should be ashamed of yourself, you do-nothing!

    6. Re:Simple counter-measure by LaurenCates · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I always said to myself that if I were to ever run for office, that I would create a website that listed all my dirty laundry. Anything that might be considered something that someone, somewhere might use to say "she's got something to hide" goes on there. Nothing off-limits. Because I've made mistakes like any dumb kid might have.

      Point I would be making in such a site would the line I'd put at the end:

      "Okay, now that we're done with bullshit that has nothing to do with the job I'm applying for, let's get to talking about things that are relevant."

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    7. Re:Simple counter-measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are things in E-mail that I don't want out, even though I'm not ashamed about them:

      1: Password change/requests. This is easily identifiable info for ID thieves.
      2: Personal items from family/friends. Why does the world need to know that my RV leaks from the cabover and I'm having a carpenter in to rip out the interior and rebuild it?
      3: What I buy from Amazon. Again, nothing illegal, but I don't care to have the fact that my taste (or lack of) in music and literature be for all to see.
      4: I don't want all and sundry to know my work schedule or what type of alarm I use for my house.

      Yes, it is easy to say, "what do you have to hide?", but privacy is still necessary.

    8. Re:Simple counter-measure by soloes · · Score: 2

      context is everything. Just because you do something that is good, does not mean that people cannot just publicize part of it and make it look bad.

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    9. Re:Simple counter-measure by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      Right but this is the very argument against collecting and aggregating the information at all. It is harmful when its released and sooner or later it does get out or does get aggregated.

      The very politicians crying about this today will be the ones arguing to create another national registry or list of some kind tomorrow unless they fell the pain from this.

      The public needs to see how harmful this stuff is and unfortunately the only way we are ever going to get Jane and Joe average to care is if they see some good people ( or people they think are good people) get really really hurt by this stuff. Otherwise the "won't somebody thing of the children" argument is always going to win.

      Most of this doxing stuff ultimately comes from public records, yes there are some private records that doxers go after as well but the really hurtful stuff tends to be public records. Government knows to much about us. We need that to change. So the next time some dumbshit thinks something like a national health care program is a good idea let alone national id, it will go down in flames like it should.

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    10. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Kind of hard to "take advantage of it" if it's old news to everyone.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    11. Re:Simple counter-measure by eheldreth · · Score: 1

      The two arguments couldn't be farther apart. The OP's statement is an action plan for dealing with the consequences of a potential leak of personal information, not an excuse of the perpetrators actions. The statement the "If you didn't do anything wrong you have nothing to worry about" is a justification of the state sponsored invasion of privacy. It is by definition an excuse of the perpetrators action.

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    12. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      When you go into politics, you know that sort of stuff comes with the territory. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

      As for business leaders, you get videoed kicking a dog, you know there's going to be backlash. So unless you're a moron, don't kick dogs. Or live with the consequences, same as everyone else. It's not rocket science.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    13. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Awesome idea. People would appreciate the candor.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    14. Re:Simple counter-measure by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

      don't be ashamed of anything you do. Kind of hard to exert pressure on someone by revealing their personal stuff if they don't give a sh*t.

      That only works up to the point that it's something that nobody cares about either.

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    15. Re:Simple counter-measure by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The downside is that the only people that can run for office are people who knew they wanted to be politicians when they were kids.

      Those are the last people to put in charge of anything important. Remember the student council suckups? Those are the only people living boring enough lives to be politicians.

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    16. Re:Simple counter-measure by LaurenCates · · Score: 2

      I'm surprised someone hasn't already said "yeah, but your social security number", or "yeah, but your nude photos".

      Or, simply, yeah, well, you support that, and I don't agree with you, therefore I can classify you as an idiot and ignore anything else you have to say.

      *shrug*. The former can be dug up ("dig it up if you really need it for something"), and there's nothing I can do to stop it, the latter would have to be photoshopped ("those don't exist, but I wouldn't be ashamed of them if they did"), and the last...well, I guess if someone were looking to find a reason to think I was an idiot, they would have come to the conclusion long before reading the list, if they bothered to read it at all.

      On the other hand, I suspect it would cause a great deal of support for me if I actually decided to go with the campaign slogan I intend to use:

      "The c*nt who gets sh*t done."

      Lack of decorum aside, at least nobody can paint me as thin-skinned or afraid of the "sexism" boogeyman.

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    17. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      don't be ashamed of anything you do. Kind of hard to exert pressure on someone by revealing their personal stuff if they don't give a sh*t.

      That only works up to the point that it's something that nobody cares about either.

      Actually, no. As long as you don't care, then you're also not going to care if someone else is getting bent out of something. Case in point - there are plenty of people who voice negative opinions about transsexuals, but it doesn't bother me that what I am upsets them. As far as I'm concerned, they're the ones with the problem. Same thing with anything that some people attach stigma to, such as mental illness. It's not "who gives a damn?" but "who in MY life gives a damn?"

      TANSTAAFL, which is another way of saying that sometimes you will have to step up to the plate and deal with such issues no matter how hard you try to keep everything private, so just deal with it already instead of waiting for the other shoe to drop :-)

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    18. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      context is everything. Just because you do something that is good, does not mean that people cannot just publicize part of it and make it look bad.

      So let them. They're going to do it anyway, and they're just setting themselves up for looking like stupid dishonest manipulative SOBs to anyone who looks into it.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    19. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      The downside is that the only people that can run for office are people who knew they wanted to be politicians when they were kids.

      Those are the last people to put in charge of anything important. Remember the student council suckups? Those are the only people living boring enough lives to be politicians.

      Not true. Obama admits to having used crack, GWB is known to have an alcohol and drug problem, nobody believes Clinton didn't inhale ... Heck, internationally notorious former mayor of Toronto Rob Ford got re-elected to city council despite admitting to crack and alcoholism, and all the videos out there of him losing it time after time. Anyone who looks too good is immediately suspect.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    20. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      If you have nothing to hide... Sad to see such a comment get up modded on Slashdot, of all places. I guess it really is as dead as what I thought.

      I call BS on this. Politicians go into politics knowing that there is no way that they will ever be able to keep all their skeletons in the closet. You can hide all your personal stuff, but if some of it DOES leak out, just own it. If it's nothing you think you should be ashamed of, say so. That's FAR from "if you have nothing to hide."

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    21. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      It's funny - my name, home address, and email are on slashdot and there have been no problems. My name, home and email addresses, and phone number are public on (shudder) Facebook and elsewhere, and again, it's not a big deal.

      People seem to forget that before the turn of the century there were these big dead-tree books called "Telephone directories", that had your name, phone number, and address for the whole world to see. When someone goes "OMG they have my address", big deal. Really. There are so many personal details out there (lawsuits, marriages and divorces, permits, etc) that it's silly to lose any sleep over it. The Internet has really dumbed down so many people who are on a hair trigger to go "WAAHHH" about anything and everything without engaging their brains.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    22. Re:Simple counter-measure by N1AK · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a bad plan to me; it seems like it would invariably go wrong in one of a number of ways:
      1/ You've actually done stuff that's worth reporting on which is embarrassing, in which case the news media will happily use it in stories.
      2/ You've genuinely done nothing embarrassing of note, and people won't believe your list is real and complete.
      3/ There's something you've forgotten, or didn't think worthy of including, which may be trivial that is found out and the whole exercise comes across as a lie.
      4/ Someone makes up, or misinterprets, something and you look like a fraud.

      It doesn't matter if you genuinely don't find anything about your past embarrassing, the thing that will harm your chances is other people's interpretation of those events.

    23. Re:Simple counter-measure by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Its just not that simple and you know it. Things that you do today, might become a problem later due to cultural or political shifts. Privacy is important, full disclosure is not an option for humans. The only way this would work is if we had true human telepathy and a hive mind.

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    24. Re:Simple counter-measure by gurps_npc · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Wrong. On so many levels.

      Ever hear about Bridget McCain? She is the very dark skinned adopted daughter of John McCain. His wife found her - a child with a facial deformity and a serious heart condition. They adopted this wonderful girl in need and gave her all the love and medical help they could. Mr. McCain was never embarrassed by her. But during the 2000 election, George Bush's lying scumbag allies sent out a phone poll asking:

      "Would you be more or less likely to vote for John McCain if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?"

      McCain lost the South Carolina primary in part because of this bold faced lie. In this particular case, they never hid anything about her, but the point is fairly clear - there are lots of things that LOOK bad but aren't bad. Politics is a game of perceptions.

      Merely not doing actually bad things isn't enough. You also have to avoid doing anything you can stretch and deform into an attack.

      So no, actual innocence is not enough of a protection, we also need legal rights to privacy.

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    25. Re:Simple counter-measure by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

      Actually, no. As long as you don't care, then you're also not going to care if someone else is getting bent out of something.

      Good thing no teachers have ever been fired due to things they've done in their private lives that have no affect on their teaching. Oh wait.

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    26. Re:Simple counter-measure by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      My response to that is: meh. People are going to interpret all of that in any way they see fit. If they really have the time and interest to go digging through my past, I suppose they will.

      Of course, this would really only be worthwhile for someone less boring than me.

      I'm fine with the idea that people misinterpret me; they've been doing it my whole life so why would that stop if I put myself under the public's microscope? I counter that with unflinching honesty, though. I don't really half-ass my opinions. If I want you to know something, I pretty much explain it in detail and triplicate.

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    27. Re:Simple counter-measure by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      As a counter-point, I've been the target of a stalker online. She stalked an account where I used a pseudonym and didn't use my real name/address at all. Another person she stalked used his real name. She contacted his employer (a school) and told them he molested children. She contacted everyone on Facebook who shared his last name and lived in his general area to tell them this also. She even claimed to have contacted the police about him. Needless to say, this was all made up by her. (She claimed that god told her all this so you can guess how effective arguing with her is. After all, how can you argue against "god told me this directly"?) These allegations could easily have gotten him fired. He was lucky enough that he was able to warn his employer and his family/friends/police ignored her. Still, she was able to make his life miserable for years.

      I'm thankful that this person DIDN'T know my real name, home address, employer, or any other information about me. Do I have anything to hide? No. However, people can do damage with false allegations if they have the right information about you. By the time you refute the allegations, the damage might already have been done.

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    28. Re:Simple counter-measure by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

      Stop trying to use logic against this person. They live in some magical fantasy land where nobody is ever persecuted for things they have no personal issue against.

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    29. Re:Simple counter-measure by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Then they simply either make up something you did (perhaps basing it on something that really happened so there's a grain of truth) or they take something that happened out of context so that it sounds much worse.

      For example, suppose your list includes "drove drunk once when I was 19." A political hit squad could spread the word that you actually were arrested after you drove drunk, hit another car, and killed an 8 year old girl. Is it true? Of course not. But now you're spending time refuting this story instead of spreading your message and you're on the defensive. Or maybe they remove the "when I was 19" context. With some creative wording, they can make it seem like this happened very recently instead of years/decades ago (without outright claiming it was recent). Again, you'll be on the defensive and trying to provide context instead of spreading your ideas.

      I'm not saying your idea isn't without merit, but don't underestimate the underhandedness of those in politics.

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    30. Re:Simple counter-measure by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      And exiting the realm of e-mail, there's thing about myself that I don't want the become common knowledge. As a victim of identity theft, I can personally attest to the fact that someone getting your name, address, date of birth, and social security number can wreck havoc with your life. Am I "ashamed" of any of that information? Of course not. However, that doesn't mean I want them to be public knowledge.

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    31. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      If it becomes a problem later, then fight for your rights. If you're not ready to fight for your rights and freedoms, you deserve neither.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    32. Re:Simple counter-measure by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Do you think politicians really care about "looking like stupid dishonest manipulative SOBs"? They care about winning and only winning. Some might say campaign contributions from businesses/wealthy donors also, but these are honestly only a means to an end. If money somehow could be decoupled from politics, politicians wouldn't care about the donations, but would still only care about that which helps them win.

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    33. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Or to proactively denounce lies ...

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    34. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Actually, no. As long as you don't care, then you're also not going to care if someone else is getting bent out of something.

      Good thing no teachers have ever been fired due to things they've done in their private lives that have no affect on their teaching. Oh wait.

      If they shouldn't have been fired, then they should have fought it. They might lose, but it will make it easier to fight the next time.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    35. Re:Simple counter-measure by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      In your personal life, this is a great lesson to learn/apply. I realized this back in college after coming out of a horrid high school bullying experience. I decided that there was a small circle of people whose opinion mattered to me. Outside that circle, people could call me whatever they wanted and I just didn't care.

      However, when you're talking about politics, ALL voters are "that circle." A negative opinion can spread rapidly and cause a downturn in your campaign even if you don't care about why people are upset about it.

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    36. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      So instead pf presenting a "cleverly crafted public image" (which is basically a con job), they could have just been themselves. Problem solved.

      As for the anti-alcohol and church groups, the majority think they're dogmatic idiots. Have the endorsement of either of these two groups would be the kiss of death here. Then again, Canadians do not tolerate religious interference in the political process. You might want to try it some time.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    37. Re:Simple counter-measure by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

      Yes, but it still completely proves the point that it's not whether or not you are ashamed, but what society as a whole things of the subject. Saying "Just dont care what others think" isn't a solution.

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    38. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Stop trying to use logic against this person. They live in some magical fantasy land where nobody is ever persecuted for things they have no personal issue against.

      Really? So all those protests for other people's rights over the decades (including defending the rights of those who actively spoke out against me because of what I am) and all those court appearances never really happened? No, I think you're the one living in some sort of magical fantasy land. Get yourself punched in the face by cops and thrown in jail a few times for protests and then we can talk.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    39. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Come off it - any employer (or anyone else) who would give any credence to "God told me this" is already too far gone for rational people to want to be around.

      I've been stalked both online and in real life. I've had PLENTY of false accusations thrown at me, and had to deal with some of the more serious ones through the court system. Sure, it could do temporary damage for those who don't know you, but so what? And a crushing victory in court more than makes up for it, and makes it that much harder for anyone to take the next round of BS seriously.

      Part of our civic duty is to realize that some of us, for whatever reason, are going to be unjustly treated, and that we are going to have to ensure that justice and freedom don't die by standing up against injustice. That makes you a nail, and unfortunately, too many people will want to take out their hammer because $WHATEVER. Just through a random distribution, a few of us will end up having to do this much much more often than many others. It's not a curse - it's just math. When it happens often enough, people just roll their eyes and say "Here we go again. What nut did you offend this time?"

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    40. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Whatever drugs you're on must be good. There's still a wide gulf between saying "I dont think there's anything wrong with it" vs everybody else thinking there's something wrong with it. The fact you cannot see that, says a lot.

      And there's a big difference between "everybody else thinking there's something wrong with it" and a few busybodies getting their underpants all in a knot. The fact that you cannot see that says a lot :-)

      Quit being such a worry-wart. Anyone of any consequences who puts stock in unsupported accusations on the Internet needs to be demoted.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    41. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Where the heck have I ever indicated that I can control what the public thinks? Find me one example where I've said that, or kindly f*ck off with your trolling :-)

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    42. Re:Simple counter-measure by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      " don't be ashamed of anything you do"

      Whether or not *you* are ashamed of what you do does not necessarily affect how *other people* behave.

    43. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      If you've already put the facts out there, before anyone else makes the allegations, most people won't be stupid enough to fall for it. Those that do would have voted republican / conservative anyway, so no increased losses either way.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    44. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Why would I care? I'm very happy to be able to "give a sh*t" the normal way again, after having had a colostomy for a year and a half. "Brown-bagging it" was an educational experience, and one that makes me sympathetic to those in similar situations, but let's be honest - everyone craps one way or another.

      Besides, people can see too many assholes on the Internet already, don't you think? :-)

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    45. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      We just saw in Canada again that negative campaigns hurt the one pushing the negativity. Just like we've seen in the US that the republican base doesn't care how much true negative stuff is out there - it won't affect their vote. As for the rest, the republican Benghazi tactics kind of backfired, and everyone is sick and tired of "because EMAIL".

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    46. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      It doesn't "prove the point" that it's what society thinks as a whole. It's hard to argue with the facts when the facts include a court judgment 100% in your favor. Anyone who still wants to believe in unsupported rumor-mongering is an idiot or worse, and if you're worried about what idiots and fools think of you, you have some serious self-esteem issues.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    47. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Why do I care about how people I don't know behave? And for those I know, they already pretty much know all about me, so again, why do I care when it doesn't make a difference to my life?

      Besides, if someone doesn't like me for who and what I am, I'd rather know it so I can choose more intelligent company :-)

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    48. Re:Simple counter-measure by bmk67 · · Score: 1

      So we should allow prudes to dictate the manner in which we express ourselves?

      No.

      Fuck that.

    49. Re:Simple counter-measure by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      A good example of this was the Mozilla CEO that was ousted because he supported an anti-gay group when that was the norm.

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    50. Re:Simple counter-measure by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

      You're still missing the point. But I'm not surprised.

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    51. Re:Simple counter-measure by Kichigai+Mentat · · Score: 1

      Yes, only do exactly what society wants you to do, and nothing else. Don't have a fetish, don't like anything unpopular, don't be adventurous, don't rock the boat, and don't ever make a mistake. It's that easy.

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    52. Re:Simple counter-measure by mjm1231 · · Score: 1

      In the context of running for office, this makes no sense. It doesn't matter if the candidate doesn't give a shit, or if they are not ashamed. What matters is if the people voting (or the people who decide who will be running, which, depending on where you are, may not be the same thing) think you should be ashamed or embarassed or whatever.

      I don't know about your corner of the world, but from what I see of the US, there are enough people who care about things that don't matter that the distinction matters.

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    53. Re:Simple counter-measure by mjm1231 · · Score: 1

      So your proposal is:

      1. Release everything
      2. Determine which bits are "a problem"
      3. Fight for your right to privacy.

      Of course, as a political candidate, you'll then be branded as flip flopping on the issue.

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      Ideology: A tool used primarily to avoid the bother of thinking.
    54. Re:Simple counter-measure by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I'm convinced Obama, both Clintons and the whole Bush clan are acid eaters.

      Until they can admit that, the battle isn't over.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    55. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      There's a simple counter-measure - don't be ashamed of anything you do. Kind of hard to exert pressure on someone by revealing their personal stuff if they don't give a sh*t.

      The whole point behind pressure isn't because an individual cares about what they've done, it's because of what *society* cares about what they've done.

      And WHERE have I said that I give a sh*t what society thinks of me? If an employer wants to fire me because my political views are unpopular with a majority of the population, great. It will end up being a paid vacation plus damages because here it's illegal to fire someone for such a reason.

      1. hold unpopular political views
      2. get fired
      3. PROFIT

      As for Brandon Eich, if we fired everyone who was an assh*le in someone else's view, we'd all be out of a job. Political correctness should NOT stifle free speech that isn't motivated by hate. And even a certain amount of hate speech should be tolerated, if only to give a platform for those who hold a contrary view. If they can't stand the heat when people give them flack, that's their problem, not mine. If he couldn't stand the heat about his anti-gay-marriage donation, it just goes to show that freedom of stupid speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

      If we can only get along with people who believe all the same things we do, we suck, and need to, shall we say, "grow a pair" (in the metaphorical sense only) before political correctness causes more damage :-)

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    56. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      So we should allow prudes to dictate the manner in which we express ourselves?

      No.

      Fuck that.

      Where have I said that I have a problem offending prudes? My mere existence offends many fundies who feel what I am is wrong and shameful. Their problem, not mine. As far as I care, if they want to take out a full-page ad denouncing me for being a transsexual, my take would be "well, god bless their cold, evil little hearts" :-) They're the ones looking like fools and wasting their resources.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    57. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I'll make it simple - I don't care what "society as a whole" thinks of me. I'm long done with that crap. :-) As well, if you can't be honest about who and what you are, then you don't merit being a politician in the first place, even if it seems that putting up a false front is part of the whole deal.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    58. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      ...most people won't be stupid enough to fall for it.

      You're talking about people who believe Mars will look as big as the moon one night of year, who believe Obama isn't a US citizen, who believe aliens are kidnapping probes and shoving them up people's asses, who believe Elvis is still alive, who believe anyone other than humans built the pyramids, etc. And all of them look like Algonquin round table material compared to you if you actually believe what you just said. Christ you're a fucking idiot.

      Or maybe I'm not American so most of the people around me really aren't that stupid. The US is only 5% of the planet's population, hardly what I would call "most people."

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    59. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      It's all going to come out in the end. If you want to represent the people you're asking to vote for you, shouldn't you actually BE representative of them instead of putting up a false image? If you're not, then maybe the job would be better suited to someone who is.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    60. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      So your proposal is:

      1. Release everything 2. Determine which bits are "a problem" 3. Fight for your right to privacy.

      Of course, as a political candidate, you'll then be branded as flip flopping on the issue.

      No.
      1 Release everything
      2 If after this, people won't vote for you, that is their free and informed choice.

      There is no "right to win" a political office despite what the Bushes seem to think, just a right to run for it. People have a right to a free and informed vote, despite political wankers believing that once you can fake sincerity, you've got it made.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    61. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      If you're not ready to fight for your rights and freedoms, you deserve neither.

      Translation: "Fuck everyone less fortunate than me".

      No. It's the less fortunate who too often are the only ones with the guts to fight for their rights, as opposed to the well-off sheeple. People who are well off and content don't want to change their situation, so the initial push for all social progress comes from those who aren't so privileged. Simple fact of life.

      Note that the "If you're not ready to fight for your rights and freedoms, you deserve neither" also applies to the fat contented cows of society as well, who simply can't imagine that anyone would dare take away *their* freedoms, because they're privileged. Moo!

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    62. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      If people want privacy, it is their right. I have no problem with that. However, public figures do not have the same expectations, hence the need to cultivate a thick skin. if someone is looking for your vote, you have a right to kick the tires to see just who you're voting for rather than buying a pig in a poke.

      Nobody has a "right" to my vote. You want it, show me why I should vote for you, not why I should not vote against someone else. If you either are unwilling to or unable to divulge your dirty secrets because you're afraid of the backlash, then maybe running for office isn't for you in the first place. Nothing complicated about that.

      We should treat our politicians with at least as much scrutiny as a used car. Otherwise, you deserve a lemon for your naiveté at the ballot box.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    63. Re:Simple counter-measure by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      The problem isn't that I'm ashamed of fucking a goat. The problem is that other people will be outraged.

    64. Re:Simple counter-measure by mjm1231 · · Score: 1

      This is only true if all information about a person is relevant to their candidacy. I reject this as completely and ridiculously false. There are many things I don't need or want to know about anyone.

      There is some information that does nothing at all in the way of making one more informed.

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      Ideology: A tool used primarily to avoid the bother of thinking.
    65. Re:Simple counter-measure by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately for you and anybody else who has such a fantasyland world view, the concept of "meriting" being a politician is meaningless. In the real world, people who get to be real politicians don't give a fuck about merit. Anybody who does is so far from being electable they probably don't understand why nobody takes them seriously. If you don't pay attention to what society thinks of the things you have done (and been), then you aren't even going to going to be able to pretend to mount an effective campaign, and don't have a hope in hell of getting elected. The vast majority of people simply are not, come polling day, going to vote for somebody who doesn't care about the things that the voter in question thinks the candidate should care about, and few of those have much to do with the job. Saying "I don't care what society thinks of me" is simply another way of saying "I'm un-electable". It's hard to believe any adult could seriously contemplate entering politics while claiming to not care what the voters think... it's like you're missing the entire point of what it takes to be a politician.

      Not that I mean to discourage your worldview; in an ideal society, it's exactly correct. Of course, in an ideal society, communism would probably work, too. We don't live in an ideal society, and putting your hounds over your ears, shutting your eyes, and saying "I don't care what you think" isn't going to change that. It would be interesting to see you, or somebody like you, put together the kind of time and money it takes to get anywhere in western politics today and hit the campaign trail. I expect you'd be wasting it all, and forgotten as nothing more than a footnote in whatever race you ran in, but I'd like to be wrong.

      I've seen absolutely no evidence that society (at anything beyond the clan level, and often not even that) works the way you think it ought to.

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    66. Re:Simple counter-measure by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Um... because they vote? You seem completely unaware of what being a politician requires. If you aren't ashamed of the things society demands you be ashamed of, society won't vote for you (or support you in any other way).

      "If you're going to be a jerk I'm going to ignore you" works fine in private life. It will get you absolutely nowhere in public.

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      There's no place I could be, since I've found Serenity...
    67. Re:Simple counter-measure by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      You are correct in your post.

      No need to post as AC.

    68. Re:Simple counter-measure by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Well, the only way you can demote a voter is to disenfranchise them. So, by your view, the entire* voting citizenry of the world, almost certainly including both you and me (for all that I, and presumably you, try to avoid it) needs to be disenfranchised. Good luck with that!

      * Possibly excluding a trivially small group of people who are somehow immune the vast number of biases that affect the decisions all of us make at the polls.

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    69. Re:Simple counter-measure by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      You can't even convince a minority of Slashdot commenters that you're right (or electable)... I don't think you even realize the order magnitude of the odds against you.

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    70. Re:Simple counter-measure by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "Why do I care about how people I don't know behave?"

      Because it's unlikely that the lynching will be conducted by your friends.

    71. Re:Simple counter-measure by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      There's a simple counter-measure - don't be ashamed of anything you do. Kind of hard to exert pressure on someone by revealing their personal stuff if they don't give a sh*t.

      It would still be effective against politicians who need the votes of people who do give a shit.

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    72. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      The topic was doxxing in politics. Releasing everything ahead of time is the simplest solution to having someone make a big deal later on that you deemed "not important." For those who feel that they can't be open because they have some shameful secret, the answer is simple - don't run, because secrets have a way of coming out at the worst possible time.

      You're also missing out on those who want to run to make a statement, even though they know their chance of winning is slim to none, and slim just left town. When women first ran for president, nobody took them seriously. Running still sent a message - "we're here, and it's no longer games as usual." Today, both parties have a woman running for president.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    73. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Don't put words in my mouth, please. I used the word "demoted" because anyone who puts stock in every idle rumour that goes around should be demoted before they cause their employer grief. Such as the credulous low-level employee who answers the phone, and the next thing you know, the company is signed up for a hugely outrageous electricity plan (it's happened, esp. in Alberta).

      "Disenfranchised" is an entirely different concept. Look them up if you don't believe me :-)

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    74. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      Ah, but I'm not running (purely for health reasons, and because our federal election just finished). Sure, when I ran in the past, I lost. Big deal. But I did get votes and media coverage. Even saw one of my ideas that was denounced as stupid at the time implemented a year later, so I have had an effect. I'm satisfied with that - and it's certainly more than most "keyboard warriors" have done. It's easy to get off your ass to vote, yet so many people don't. It's a lot harder to run for office and bang on doors while still working, but I did it.

      Health permitting, I may do it again ...

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    75. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't volunteer for it (well, maybe I might consider it if it will help others who are going through the same situation be able to see for themselves that there is sometimes hope of recovering normal function, but even then, just a picture of someone sitting on the throne with a caption saying "I couldn't do this before" would be both more effective and less offensive).

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    76. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      First, people would be wondering why I should apologize to you for a rape that is physically impossible ... get the apology from the perp.

      Then again, here we have defamation laws that cover defamation by innuendo; stuff like that would be a slam dunk :-) In Canada, even the truth is not a complete defense for defamation - it all depends on the intent.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    77. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Sure, but maybe those politicians should have realized that in an open environment they're not exactly ideal candidates to begin with. Or they can hope that those who don't care outnumber those who do. They can just hire a pollster to find out before taking the plunge.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    78. Re:Simple counter-measure by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      Sure, but maybe those politicians should have realized that in an open environment they're not exactly ideal candidates to begin with. Or they can hope that those who don't care outnumber those who do. They can just hire a pollster to find out before taking the plunge.

      But wouldn't any politician, even if they don't care, and even if they are ahead in the polls before being doxxed, be vulnerable to the doxxing just the same?

      To not care, they'd have to not care about votes = not care about winning the election. I don't think such politicians exist :-)

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    79. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      Don't you agree that people have a right to know what they're buying when they go shopping. Knowing that the product meets certain standards of safety, inspection, etc? Would you buy processed foods that don't contain a list of ingredients? Would you use prescription drugs without any knowledge of their side effects?

      Unfortunately, we don't have the same vetting process for political candidates. So, if a candidate has preemptively put everything out there and answers all questions, just how are they going to be doxxed? It's the same as having a secret that you don't want your boss to know (maybe you're gay or whatever) and someone tries to blackmail you. Tell the boss, the blackmailer now has no leverage.

      BTW - not caring about what someone thinks about you as a person is NOT the same as not caring about getting their votes. Your vote should be cast based on who you think will do the better job. Merit, not political correctness.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    80. Re:Simple counter-measure by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, we don't have the same vetting process for political candidates. So, if a candidate has preemptively put everything out there and answers all questions, just how are they going to be doxxed? It's the same as having a secret that you don't want your boss to know (maybe you're gay or whatever) and someone tries to blackmail you. Tell the boss, the blackmailer now has no leverage.

      You're assuming the dox to be something truthful. And before you say that if it's not truthful that the politician could just deny it - it just doesn't work that way (ie Obama and his birth certificate).

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    81. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, we don't have the same vetting process for political candidates. So, if a candidate has preemptively put everything out there and answers all questions, just how are they going to be doxxed? It's the same as having a secret that you don't want your boss to know (maybe you're gay or whatever) and someone tries to blackmail you. Tell the boss, the blackmailer now has no leverage.

      You're assuming the dox to be something truthful. And before you say that if it's not truthful that the politician could just deny it - it just doesn't work that way (ie Obama and his birth certificate).

      Your example proves otherwise - Obama got elected twice, and anyone still following the "birther" agenda is regarded as a kook.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    82. Re:Simple counter-measure by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, we don't have the same vetting process for political candidates. So, if a candidate has preemptively put everything out there and answers all questions, just how are they going to be doxxed? It's the same as having a secret that you don't want your boss to know (maybe you're gay or whatever) and someone tries to blackmail you. Tell the boss, the blackmailer now has no leverage.

      You're assuming the dox to be something truthful. And before you say that if it's not truthful that the politician could just deny it - it just doesn't work that way (ie Obama and his birth certificate).

      Your example proves otherwise - Obama got elected twice, and anyone still following the "birther" agenda is regarded as a kook.

      No, your logic is inaccurate.

      Read this, in particular the use of "rumor bombs":
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    83. Re:Simple counter-measure by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Your example clearly disproves your position. Obama got elected. So which do I have to choose from - an article from wikipedia, your your own example that clearly contradicts what you claim? Easy choice. Empirical evidence FTW.

      More and more, negative campaigning and rumor mongering is a sign of desperation of losers, by losers, for losers. Not a great demographic except among the fringe, whose minds won't be swayed by evidence anyway. MOO!

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  3. I see it differently by Howitzer86 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the end, doxing is a tactic that the powerless can effectively use against the powerful.

    ...Or keep the powerless in their place.

    We have secrets and embarrassing things on Facebook and other places online that will never go away and can be found if you look hard enough. Most of us don't have the luxury of being groomed from birth to be politicians and avoid these pitfalls.

  4. Political Doxxing has been going on forever by jmac_the_man · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This isn't the rise of political doxxing, simply because it has been going on forever.

    Going through Sarah Palin's emails (either the official ones the judge ordered released and the New York Times attempted to crowdsource finding embarassing stuff OR the ones that the 4chan hacker whose father was an elected Democrat released) was an attempted doxxing.

    What Bradley Manning did was a doxxing. Hell, so was the release of the Pentagon Papers.

    Jumping even further back, the XYZ Affair was revealed by a doxxer leaking details to the (partisan) press.

    Releasing your opponent's embarrassing documents has probably been going on for as long as we've had written language.

  5. We know that "they" will do it to Americans. by Nutria · · Score: 1

    But what about Russians, Chinese, Iranians, French, Brazilians, Indians, Japanese, etc, etc, etc?

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  6. Hahahahahahah by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

    Because doxing has never been using against people that haven't done anything but mind their own business. Right?

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  7. Re:HA .. oh god .. HA by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 2

    Exactly. How long will it be before such people start to just vanish into some black hole somewhere. If that doesn't work then their family, friends, etc will likewise suffer. This is always the last resort of the more powerful to the weaker. That's what being weaker MEANS, you can't protect yourself.

    And if the tactic does work? It will just become another tool of the scumbags. Turds always float to the surface.

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    "Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem." -- Jefferson
  8. Richard Nixon says hello by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Richard Nixon and his political team are glad people have forgotten why the press loves to "-gate" tag every scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal

  9. CIA directory by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When the CIA director has his AOL account "hacked", it is a demonstration of his utter incompetence, not "doxing". And the inability of top government officials to control even their own, valuable private information is politically highly significant, given how much information the US federal government is increasingly collecting about us: detailed financial and banking information, medical records, detailed census information, and lots more.

    1. Re:CIA directory by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Why is this insightful? What did Gates do that was incompetent? Oh. He had an AOL account. What a F**king dinosaur. Of course he's incompetent.

      I ask again - what did Gates do that " is a demonstration of his utter incompetence"?

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    2. Re:CIA directory by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      Oh. He had an AOL account. What a F**king dinosaur. Of course he's incompetent.

      No, what makes him incompetent is that he stored sensitive information on it; you know, the kind of information he, the government, and Schneier are actually getting upset about getting released. If he had just used his AOL account for sending birthday greetings to his grandchildren, that would have been fine.

      What did Gates do that was incompetent?

      Are you fucking kidding me? "Gates"? Seriously?

    3. Re:CIA directory by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      As far as I know he didn't have any government information on his AOL account and at best minor information in his account.

      Just did a quick check:
      The Times further reported that there is nothing "classified or hip" in Brennan's AOL account, and it dates to the days when he was CIA station chief in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. However, if accurate, the material is at least sensitive, given that the SF86 form discloses contact information for Brennan's relatives and professional connections.
      http://arstechnica.com/tech-po...

      re Gates!? I don't know how that got in there. :-)

      But still. The point remains. What did Brennan do that was incompetent?

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    4. Re:CIA directory by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 2

      As far as I know he didn't have any government information on his AOL account and at best minor information in his account. But still. The point remains. What did Brennan do that was incompetent?

      Apparently, he kept a completed SF-86 form in his account. Apart from any possible government security concern, that is a serious problem for him as an individual, because it places him at grave risk of identity theft. And he kept that information in accounts with known weak security. A competent security professional wouldn't place his personal information at this kind of risk.

      So, if the CIA director lacks the competence to safeguard even his personal information, how can we trust him with safeguarding the information of our nation?

    5. Re:CIA directory by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      Note that Brennan himself shows anger and concern at the hacking of his E-mail:

      "I was certainly outraged by it," Brennan said Tuesday at an intelligence conference at George Washington University when asked about his reaction to learning of the hack. "I certainly was concerned about what people might try to do with that information," Brennan added. "I was also dismayed at how some of the media handled it, and the inferences that were in there."

      http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/...

      The point is: it doesn't matter whether the information is or is not valuable, what matters is that Brennan thought it was valuable and apparently thought it was secure in an AOL account.

    6. Re:CIA directory by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      To reiterate: The Director of the CIA still has and uses an AOL account.

      Does he have a CompuServe email address, or perhaps GeoCities website, too? Perhaps a MySpace account? A hotmail or yahoo email account?

      He is clearly so stupid and out-of touch with modern technology that he has no business in the spook industry.

  10. Kennedy says hello by tomhath · · Score: 2

    JFK doxed Nixon a couple of times back in the 1960 campaign. You can look it up.

  11. doxxing by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

    I don't like the word 'doxing'. To me it looks like it would be pronounced d'oh-xing. I prefer doxxing. Who's with me?

  12. Re:Smallest violin ever by Noah+Haders · · Score: 3, Funny

    The CIA wants to read my email, know what websites I visit, etc. turn about is fair play.

    that's such an ignorant comment! Everybody knows that CIA is prohibited from taking action on domestic soil and can only work in foreign countries.

  13. Absolute zero of sympathy reached. by theCzechGuy · · Score: 1

    But how could this cause any damage to anyone? Surely, they have nothing to fear if they have nothing to hide, right? It offends me when the CIA, some media or anyone else behaves as if a) this is a serious problem and b) we should give anything more than 0 shits.

  14. Incompetent poster? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    When the CIA director has his AOL account "hacked", it is a demonstration of his utter incompetence, not "doxing".

    This is an excellent example, a departure point for discussion.

    Per Bruce's article:

    The CIA director did nothing wrong. He didn't choose a lousy password. He didn't leave a copy of it lying around. He didn't even send it in e-mail to the wrong person. The security failure, according to this account, was entirely with Verizon and AOL. Yet still Brennan's e-mail was leaked to the press and posted on WikiLeaks.

    Also, unlike a certain presidential hopeful, Brennan didn't have any CIA sensitive information in his personal E-mail. It was simply personal stuff about him, nothing that compromised security.

    And yet, internet sheep immediately jump to a conclusion of "incompetence", a charge that would ordinarily haunt a person in future job prospects for the rest of their life.

    One obvious step would be to hold the providers accountable for security failures.

    1. Re:Incompetent poster? by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 2

      The CIA director did nothing wrong. He didn't choose a lousy password. He didn't leave a copy of it lying around. He didn't even send it in e-mail to the wrong person. The security failure, according to this account, was entirely with Verizon and AOL. Yet still Brennan's e-mail was leaked to the press and posted on WikiLeaks.

      Yes, and Bruce is wrong. The fact that Verizon and AOL have weak security is well known and ought to be obvious to anybody with any kind of knowledge of computer security. If a CIA director stores information that he obviously values on systems that he ought to know can be trivially breached, it calls into question his competence.

      One obvious step would be to hold the providers accountable for security failures.

      It would be. But since these security holes have been well known for many years and have hurt many people, the fact that these providers haven't been held accountable for them in the past shows that the government doesn't give a fuck. If they now crack down on providers because a government official was caught with his pants down, that is simple vindictiveness and arbitrariness.

      It was simply personal stuff about him, nothing that compromised security.

      For high government officials, the release of personal information does compromise security, because it makes them susceptible to identity theft and blackmail. But even if it didn't, evidently he didn't like this information being released, yet he stored it on a system he ought to have known was woefully insecure.

      And yet, internet sheep immediately jump to a conclusion of "incompetence", a charge that would ordinarily haunt a person in future job prospects for the rest of their life.

      I sure hope so!

  15. Re:People finally catch up to Bruce Sterling by Gibgezr · · Score: 1

    Awesome book. Also highly recommend two of his other works, "The Sheep Look Up" and "Stand on Zanzibar", if you liked "The Shockwave Rider".

  16. Re:Smallest violin ever by cavreader · · Score: 1

    "CIA wants to read my email, know what websites I visit" If this was actually true the perpetrator would have been in custody the minute he touched anything to do with the Director of the CIA. With all the magical powers attributed to the NSA and CIA in regards to capturing electronic information how could any one get away with hacking anything to do with the government? I mean supposedly the government is analyzing all the internet traffic in real time and sending out kill squads to deal with the violators.

  17. Re:HA .. oh god .. HA by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    If you believe that "the powerful" won't implement a countermeasure that makes us all regret the doxing, you're a moron.

    I already regret it. This doxing is just one more reason for good people to avoid public office. There are reasons that many of our leaders are narcissistic sociopaths, and by driving away good people, this is just making it worse.

     

  18. Yes, and No by s.petry · · Score: 1

    There are plenty of reasons for people to hack into politician's email. Doxing is one of them, but so is investigating wrong doing. Sometimes searching for the wrong doing can lead to bashing. People can get caught early, or have access to the "other" mail server and just dump for their 5 minutes of fame. Is that Doxing? *shrug* I think that depends on intent, and in most cases no.

    Yeah, this guy tells us what security people have been saying for more than a quarter of a century. How can the rest of us cash in on this scam of repeating common knowledge and making money?

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  19. Re:HA .. oh god .. HA by flopsquad · · Score: 1

    Agree. Even further on that point, I think Schneier's statement at the end of TFS is wishful thinking.

    He says: "In the end, doxing is a tactic that the powerless can effectively use against the powerful."

    But in fact it's more likely that doxing (as with other political takedown tactics) will be a tactic that the already powerful can effectively use against the the newly, moderately, or inconveniently powerful.

    So it is indeed a bad time to be a good person running for office, especially if you're also trying to shake things up and actually do some good.

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    Nothing posted to /. has ever been legal advice, including this.
  20. future by Spaham · · Score: 1

    awesome !

    best way to mobilize politicians. They'll finally understand why cryptography, privacy are important !

  21. Live too long by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    You forgot: (5) Live too long.

    Socially acceptable behaviour changes over time in unpredictable ways. 10-20 years ago a mildly homophobic comment would have drawn no notice today you would get drummed out of office. Go back another decade or two and casual sexism was socially acceptable. People's, and society's, view of what is ok changes with time something become taboo and others become more accepted.

  22. It amuses me by gijoel · · Score: 1

    That law enforcement and security agents seem to believe that they are the guards in the panopticon, when in fact they're just another prisoner.