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Firefox 42 Arrives With Tracking Protection, Tab Audio Indicators

An anonymous reader writes: Mozilla today launched Firefox 42 for Windows, Mac, Linux, and Android. Notable additions to the browser include tracking protection, tab audio indicators, and background link opening on Android. The new private browsing mode goes further than just not saving your browsing history (read: porn sites) — the added tracking protection means Firefox also blocks website elements (ads, analytics trackers, and social share buttons) that could track you while you're surfing the web, and it works on all four platforms. The feature is almost like a built-in ad blocker, though it's really closer to browser add-ons like Ghostery and Privacy Badger because ads that don't track you are allowed through.

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  1. Firefox marketshare continues to decline by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2, Informative

    It looks like the current marketshare is under 12% and in a decline.

    1. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by danbob999 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Who cares? It's still the best choice if you value privacy and don't like ads.

    2. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you talkin about the goodness of the browsers or about the money?

    3. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by waspleg · · Score: 1

      Agreed. It makes me sad how many people use IE and Chrome. OTOH many people where I work refer to the E as "The Internet", so not that surprising. Also wondering about their methods... where their research money comes from (i.e. bias), etc.

    4. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the big switchover to Chrome coinciding with the May 2014 release of the new "Australis" UI, excuse me, UX interface. Mozilla committed suicide in one release version, let Chrome take the lead and ride it all the way. I think we'll be seeing Chrome as the dominant browser within 2 years, and Firefox going the way of Netscape before it. And it's a damn shame.

    5. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I miss when Ff was a three Meg download. Of course that's when web clients were modular, and extensions were something you downloaded separately. Now everything is implemented in one huge, complex, monolithic DOM following a standards body which is essentially half a dozen megacorps.

      Most of which have the aim of turning PCs into dumb browser clients, while only phones/tablets/other restricted consumption devices actually get software ("apps") - and through a single outlet.

      But keep telling yourself that we have an economy driven by organic desire.

    6. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Interesting
      If Mozilla were really concerned about security and privacy, that is where they would/should concentrate. Instead we see Pocket integration and other bloat.

      .
      Where is DANE/TLSA DNSSEC support for TLS certs? Why do I need to install a plug-in to get that ability, but I don't need to install a plug-in for the bogus Pocket functionality?

      Fortunately, at least the DNSSEC/TLSA Validator for Firefox works very well.

      I wish I could say the say for the apparent bugfest that is the DKIM validation plug-in for Thunderbird. Again, Mozilla, where is the security focus in Thunderbird? Why do I need to install a buggy plug-in to get DKIM validation?

      You will care about Firefox's declining marketshare once it goes below 10%. That threshold seems to be the point where a browser can affect Internet web standards, and Firefox is moving to the point where it will be irrelevant, standard-wise.

    7. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel the same way, but lately I find myself asking why I feel Firefox is best for privacy. Kevin Mitnick recently said on a radio interview that Firefox is the most insecure browser of them all. I wonder if that is because they have been talking about implementing "least privilege" since 2009 and seem to think it is not really important, wherea Chrome, IE and Safari have implemented it. That means if someone attacks your browser and succeeds, they will be able to do anything a regular user could do on your computer if your browser was Firefox, but barely anything at all if your browser was any other.

      I also remember hearing something about Firefox lagging behind in strong encryption.

    8. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Install Pentadactyl and be done withe any frigging UI. And do away with point-and-click browsing.

    9. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      It looks like the current marketshare is under 12% and in a decline.

      Is it any wonder, with bone headed moves like completely blocking support for some plugins (ahem, flash)? I moved off the nightly builds onto waterfox for this very reason. I'll be the one in charge of deciding which plugins I do/don't run thank you very much.

    10. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they shouldn't have put fucking ads in their browser, then? http://siliconangle.com/blog/2...

    11. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Copying and bloating worked well for Windows, so that can't be the reason.

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    12. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 2

      Well, this isn't wrong. I like Firefox, I like its ease of tabs, I like the nice NoScript plugin, but every version gets worse. As is stands now, for me anyway, the dumb thing just gets buggier the longer I use it, eventually crashing. It's got a cycle of working, acting strange, crashing, restarting. Thing's just unstable. I haven't updated mine in a while because it just always gets worse. IMO, the best version of Firefox was released about two years ago; I hope Mozilla isn't wondering why their market share is declining. There was a time when IE was the bottom of the barrel browser. Well, they got better, while Firefox got worse.

      I see some people blaming the decline on Google pushing Chrome. That can't be helping, but Mozilla has their share of the blame for all they've done.

    13. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Statcounter puts it at 15%+ in Oct/2015 (just checked). This for desktop+tablet+consoles (no mobile).

      But the important fact is that only Chrome is increasing market share while all the others are losing (Firefox is almost stable).

      Firefox is ahead of Chrome in Africa (many countries), Asia (Iran, Indonesia, Myanmar/Burma, Bangladesh) and in Germany.

      Firefox has not a good presence in mobile: add it to the data universe and FF disappears from the map (literally!). But Safari appears in Switzerland (they probably are rich and have lots of iPhones).

      IE is ahead in NK and that is not affected by mobile -- which means they don't have that many phones there.

      On a personal note, I still find Firefox better than Chrome/ium.

    14. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by davester666 · · Score: 1

      It still needs some way to show which tabs are killing the CPU. I constantly find Firefox at 100% of a cpu and can't find the tab/tabs causing the problem.

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    15. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, the E is labeled as "the internet" right there on the screen.

    16. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      OTOH many people where I work refer to the E as "The Internet", so not that surprising.

      I don't think it's a lack of creativity that caused Microsoft to use an identical looking icon for their new Edge browser. They know there are a lot of illiterate people out there who don't know what "Internet Explorer" is and just double-click the blue E to go online.

    17. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm yes, people hated the UI so much that they switched to the browser that started that UI paradigm in the first place. Totally makes sense.

    18. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now everything is implemented in one huge, complex, monolithic DOM following a standards body which is essentially half a dozen megacorps.

      Yeah, screw the standards. We should write out own! That worked out great for Microsoft.

    19. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Sir+Foxx · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't know how it seems everyone on slashdot has a problem with FF, when mine never crashes, ever and this is with 20 extensions running on it. What does chrome, chromium or any of the others offer better? None has the wide range of privacy, no tracking, etc extensions that FF has. We all know Chrome is spyware and now we've found out Chromium isn't better. Opera is decent but still not as customizable as FF. Palemoon is good if x64 means anything too you. I just don't see anything else better since nothing compares on having extensions running to protect your privacy than FF.

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    20. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      Things like FireJail on Linux, and Sandboxie on Windows are pretty handy to prevent browser-introduced crap getting on your system.. I strongly suggest my clients who are still on Windows to buy a copy of Sandboxie and run their browsers in it.. Firejail on Linux runs Firefox (or any other browser) in a nice little jail.. Pretty handy to keep the shit out..

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    21. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I hadn't poked at Pale Moon in a long time. It tells me to not use sudo, run pminstaller.sh and it invokes sudo and demands a password. :/ I'm not sure how this will pan out but it's a nifty installer nonetheless.

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    22. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It does make sense when you actually stop to think about it, which is clearly something you did not do.

      What does Firefox offer? A Chrome-like UI, with poor performance and excessive memory usage.

      What does Chrome offer? A Chrome-like UI, with great performance and minimal memory usage.

      Which browsers can Windows users realistically choose from? Firefox, Chrome, IE.

      Which browsers can OS X users realistically choose from? Firefox, Chrome, Safari.

      Which browsers can Linux users realistically choose from? Firefox, Chrome.

      So now we know the facts.

      Let's now think about common scenarios involving an existing Firefox user who is displeased with Firefox, and wants to use another browser.

      If this user is on Windows, she is choosing between Chrome and IE. She's likely using Firefox in the first place because she doesn't want to use IE. So her only available option is Chrome.

      If this user is on OS X, she is choosing between Chrome and Safari. She's likely using Firefox in the first place because she doesn't want to use Safari. So her only available option is Chrome.

      If this user is on Linux, her only available option is Chrome.

      I know you'll say, "But what about $SOME_OBSCURE_BROWSER_HERE?!", and the answer is, "It's not a viable browser."

      So as you can see, Chrome becomes the only choice in all cases.

      When one's options are to use Firefox and get a shitty Chrome-like experience, or to use Chrome and get a much better Chrome-like experience, then the person in question will just end up using Chrome, even if it isn't perfect or ideal.

      Firefox is a shittier Chrome than Chrome is, so people just use Chrome instead.

    23. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      x64 support is actually here too in this version. You just have to download the x64 version, as the auto-update will keep you on 32-bits. Also, the x64 version only supports the Flash plugin, no others (like Silverlight and Java).

      I honestly think people just bitch about Firefox because they have nothing better to do. Certainly they don't want to reset their Fx profiles and stop using addons that drag Fx down, so why not get pretend Fx is problematic instead of facing reality?

      There are of course a few users with legit problems, but they're not the types to waste time on Slashdot pretending that Fx is getting worse and worse like they have an agenda.

    24. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...well, I would say Palemoon is better than Firefox for those reasons.

    25. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ugh. Stop trying to shame Mozilla for not implementing DANE/etc already. They have bigger net security fish to fry. Seriously, if any of the people whining about this would actually help them implement it, rather than wishing they would prioritize your vain nice-to-haves over what affects all 10% of their audience, then we'd already have support for them in Firefox. The NSS guys are busy, and the Pocket guys are never going to implement these things.

    26. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is, this "tracking protection" feature is lifted wholesale from IE, which has had it since v9 (with a less-user-friendly version present in v8). The only difference is that, in IE, tracking protection is off by default but can be turned on (temporarily or as the new default) easily, whether in Private Browsing mode or not. In Firefox, so far as I can tell from the high-propaganda-low-content links in the TFS, it's only active in Private Browsing mode but at least it's active by default there. That's... progress, sure, but also somewhat misses the point.

      I mean, most people on Firefox who care about privacy probably already figured out how to get Ghostery, Privacy Badger, AdBlock*, NoScript, and/or some other combination of helpful extensions installed. But still, there's something very funny about Mozilla coming up with a "block requests to third-party content to preserve privacy!" feature like it's 2011 (or 2009, but being very slightly less pussyfooted about it than MS was; in IE8 you had to enable the feature for each browser session and couldn't make it turn on by default). Making it active by default in Private Browsing mode is a good move, but scarcely an *impressive* one...

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    27. Re: Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm must one of lone users that doesn't have a problem with Firefox's interface. UX or whatever it's called is just fine to me, no better or worse than than then previous versions. For fun I tried to get Firefox 3.6 a go but you can't get any of the old extensions to install.

    28. Re: Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go try Pale Moon, it keeps the old interface

    29. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

      Those recent numbers totally contradict the hysterical "chicken little, The End is Near" hand-waving that is present here. In fact, last time I checked the raw numbers, FF had around 500,000,000 (that's half a BILLION) users. Get a grip, FFS.

      Does FF have problems, sure, but all browsers have problems. I suspect most of the ridicules 'angst' are desperate fanbois pushing their desperate desire to get people to convert to their "religion."

    30. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by ale2011 · · Score: 1

      I wish I could say the say for the apparent bugfest that is the DKIM validation plug-in for Thunderbird. Again, Mozilla, where is the security focus in Thunderbird? Why do I need to install a buggy plug-in to get DKIM validation?

      DKIM was designed to be verified on the receiving servers. Users' mail clients were expected to visibly mark verification results. I guess one reason they don't is because few senders add DKIM-Signatures, so much so that that add-on rolls its own DKIM verification crypto. Another reason is that DKIM authentication by itself can be misleading. DMARC adjustments still cannot address a faked domain, either look-alike or display phrase. And end users don't seem to care much.

      The answer to your question ought to be "because email authentication is somewhat experimental". But then, yes, Mozilla's participation to such experiment would probably have helped. They seem to get more easily involved in other kinds of experiments, perhaps those having direct marketing relevance.

    31. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Chrome' and 'minimal memory usage' does not belong together in the same sentence. The multiprocess architecture in Chrome caused it to has more memory consumption than the single-process Firefox.

    32. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if you like your add-ons. Mozilla's recent announcement that they will turn FF into a Chrome-clone will be the last blow that kills FF. Ever since Mozilla made that announcement, I've been using Pale Moon (http://www.palemoon.org/) as my browser in both Win7 and Linux. Most FF add-ons work in Pale Moon.

    33. Re:Firefox marketshare continues to decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still? when was it ever? Mozilla is the organisation that refused to enable do not track by default with the same nonsensical argument that the ad industry was peddling that they wouldn't respect it if it was the default as if they'd somehow respect it if it wasn't and people enabled it anyway.

      Firefox's abortion of it's original goals, and quest towards bloat, nonsense, and support of the ad industry, DRM and so forth is precisely why it's being abandoned, because it doesn't give a shit about you anymore.

      In a strange twist of fate the only champions of privacy are companies like Microsoft, in large part because their efforts to compete in online advertising have repeatedly flop and as such there's more benefit to them in fucking the likes of Google and their tracking so that like Apple, with it's end to end encryption they can play the "We care about your privacy" card (when they don't, they just care about profit and that tactic is profitable right now) than there is in trying to please them. In contrast Google, for obvious reasons supports ads and tracking, and Firefox has been so long dependent on sponsorship by ad peddlers that it too has found itself supporting that industry.

      Firefox doesn't stand for anything anymore, it stands for dicking around with terrible features, and not giving a shit about any moral goals. It got involved in HTML5 which was ultimately just an attempt to shift control of web standards away from the democratic and highly representative (albeit slow as a result) W3C into a dictatorship led by a Google stooge.

      How can we respect a browser that's become what it professed to hate, whilst the browser it professed to hate the most has by accident become interested in the very things Firefox was originally built to care about - user centric stuff?

  2. Stop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Notable additions to the browser..."

    Stop adding shit!

    1. Re:Stop! by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 3, Informative

      I dunno, an indicator for which tab is playing that stupid audio is something I can definitely use.

    2. Re:Stop! by RDW · · Score: 1

      Good Lord, is that the first useful addition to the core browser in the last 5 years? Looks like I'll be less well-informed about the world from now on, though: https://xkcd.com/1280/

    3. Re:Stop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I the only one who never even heard of this "auto playing audio" thing people are all talking about?

      I mean, I've been on the net long enough that "the web" still seems kinda new-ish, and not one single time have I ever had a tab start playing audio without me clicking on something. I didn't know that was a thing.

    4. Re:Stop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Clearly you need to visit more porn sites.

    5. Re:Stop! by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I guess you're one of those old folks who only looks at one tab at a time, and never opens more than one tab.

      When you open 6 tabs at a time with middle-clicks because you're reading the news and selecting the articles of interest to you, it's easy for one or more of those to have some auto-playing video BS.

    6. Re: Stop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here but I use ad blockers so see many fewer ads anyway. More importantly, I muted audio years ago when it started being a problem. I'm amazed at how noisy the Internet can be when I watch other people use a web browser

    7. Re:Stop! by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Not auto-playing audio or video is something that would be far more useful. Flash loaded via plug-in? Scan that shit on-the-fly for media APIs and replace its window with a permission button.

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    8. Re:Stop! by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      My browser blocks flash from playing automatically by default.

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    9. Re:Stop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, it is good to see them add something useful for a change.

      Use example: I typically read news sites by opening all the interesting links on the front page in separate tabs, then reading. Which is fine, unless one or more of those tabs starts playing audio, and you need to find the offending article. An audio indicator would solve this problem.

    10. Re:Stop! by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Fortunately for the world, but unfortunately for you, pretty much everybody is moving away from Flash. I block Flash by default. Three years ago I was asked to enable it for a site a few times a day, with an ugly grey box if I didn't. Now I don't remember needing to do so any time in the last few months, and I rarely even see the block indicator light up.

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  3. Windows 64bit stable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The builds are available for anyone in the know. Just not yet directed from download page.

    Waiting on partner before it gets publicised.

    1. Re:Windows 64bit stable by plover · · Score: 1

      I just used Help/About to update Firefox on this 64-bit Windows 10 machine, and can verify it works.

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    2. Re:Windows 64bit stable by netlag1 · · Score: 1
      I read it won't be on the download page until version 43. For now you can get it here:

      https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/fi...

    3. Re:Windows 64bit stable by netlag1 · · Score: 1

      I just used Help/About to update Firefox on this 64-bit Windows 10 machine, and can verify it works.

      If you updated from the 32-bit version, you are still running the 32-bit version

      To switch to 64-bit, you need to uninstall 32-bit then install 64-bit. get it here:

      https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/fi...

  4. Why does every site try to open video now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, this is becoming a major problem. It's not even funny. If I go to cnn.com, it doesn't mean I want to WATCH cnn. If I wanted that, I'd turn on the fucking TV.

    1. Re:Why does every site try to open video now? by aaron4801 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, audio indicators are a good first step, but can we just block all auto-playing videos outright?

    2. Re:Why does every site try to open video now? by Teun · · Score: 1
      I agree, it is not why I go to the site.

      On the other side, this year I haven't had my TV on, the net gives me (almost) all I need.

      --
      "The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
    3. Re:Why does every site try to open video now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, this is becoming a major problem. It's not even funny. If I go to cnn.com, it doesn't mean I want to WATCH cnn. If I wanted that, I'd turn on the fucking TV.

      I visit cnn.com all the time and have never seen that sort of thing. In fact, I've never seen it anywhere.

      You're not handing control of your browser over to random internet sites, are you? If you do that, then all bets are off. By definition, you gave them control! You can't very well complain if they do something you don't like.

      It's YOUR browser - you don't have to cede control over it to random unknown untrusted 3rd parties, you know. The more you do that, the more they are going to foist unwanted crap in your direction! But you get to decide whether to give them that control.

    4. Re:Why does every site try to open video now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Video ads make more money.

    5. Re:Why does every site try to open video now? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      You can. Install NoScript or FlashBlock.

    6. Re:Why does every site try to open video now? by nmb3000 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, audio indicators are a good first step, but can we just block all auto-playing videos outright?

      You can try the about:config setting media.autoplay.enabled, but that seemingly-benign feature has it's own long sad story. As of version 41 this setting finally applies to HTML5 video, preventing the video from playing unless there's been "user interaction", but it makes some sites behave a little oddly (for example, YouTube thinks the video is playing even though it's not).

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    7. Re:Why does every site try to open video now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck with HTML 5.

    8. Re:Why does every site try to open video now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NoScript can block HTML5 audio/video, if configured to do so.

    9. Re:Why does every site try to open video now? by brewthatistrue · · Score: 1

      Google Chrome at least has a built-in click to play feature which blocks autoplay for flash.

      But it doesn't block for HTML5 (coincidentally? used by Youtube).

      https://code.google.com/p/chro...

      -_-

    10. Re:Why does every site try to open video now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can only assume the people who make pages with auto play video have never heard of tabbed browsing.

    11. Re:Why does every site try to open video now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even when playing in a tab you're not looking at? For example, if you just opened a dozen interesting articles to read from some news site? Seems sensible to at least wait until you view the tab.

  5. Financial Porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The new private browsing mode goes further than just not saving your browsing history (read: porn sites)

    Oh sorry. I was using that feature for online banking and occasionally logging into my social media accounts on other people's computers. How embarassing, I'll stop right away.

  6. At least they fixed the memory leaks by jmcwork · · Score: 0

    What? Wait... Oh, OK. Never mind.

  7. (read: porn sites) by Teun · · Score: 0
    Timothy let is know:

    The new private browsing mode goes further than just not saving your browsing history (read: porn sites)

    Oh really?

    Don't tell your mom...

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  8. dont link the fucking presser. by nimbius · · Score: 3, Interesting

    https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/... release notes for the nerds.

    now if mozilla could only remove the targeted advertisement feature, the video chat, and firefox sync we'd be getting somewhere. Firefox used to have a code of ethics and 10 user rights, but those went right out the window once that sweet sweet Google cash started rolling in.

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    1. Re:dont link the fucking presser. by njahnke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      what's wrong with firefox sync? I find it pretty useful.

    2. Re:dont link the fucking presser. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's wrong with installing it as an extension if you like it?

    3. Re:dont link the fucking presser. by vux984 · · Score: 1

      I don't use it myself, but I have nothing against it in principle.

      However, it started out as an add-on; and it really should have stayed an add-on. It is not core functionality of a browser; so it shouldn't be bloating the browser.

      At least sync makes it so you can run your own sync server if you are so inclined; so its its 100x better than pocket which backs onto a 3rd party commercial service, but it still shouldn't' have been integrated.

    4. Re:dont link the fucking presser. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with installing it as an extension if you like it?

      I don't understand the question.

      --Firefox Dev

    5. Re:dont link the fucking presser. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with installing it as an extension if you like it?

      I don't understand the question. --Firefox Dev

      Pretend he's talking about a feature that lots the users used, but that you don't personally use, and for which UX team thought a menu option or tickbox took up valuable pixels that could be better used for whitespace or advertising.
      -- former Firefox user

    6. Re:dont link the fucking presser. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It used to be an addon. You know, optional. I certainly never wanted it to bloat up my browser.

      But no. Some dev with a hardon for sync decides that it needs to be in the core browser and shipping a default, pre-installed set of addons won't cut ti. Someone might uninstall my baby!

    7. Re:dont link the fucking presser. by puddingebola · · Score: 1

      | but those went right out the window once that sweet sweet Google cash started rolling in.

      Correction, when all that sweet Google cash STOPPED rolling in.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    8. Re:dont link the fucking presser. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just don't use the features you personally aren't interested in. Why do people find this so hard to accept?

    9. Re:dont link the fucking presser. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what's wrong with firefox sync?

      Something that uploads your browser history to the net is good? It's a huge invasion of privacy and should be considered malware/spyware.

  9. Nice feature, well done! However... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The tracking protection is not enabled (perhaps not available) for regular non-private browsing. What would make [$$$] Mozilla overlook such [$$$] an obviously good option [$$$] for the end user?

  10. When the fuck will Mozilla wake up?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find these stats to be more in line with what I'm seeing with many of my websites. The 12% you mention is high for Firefox. It's most likely closer to only 8%.

    But you are correct, Firefox's market share does continue to decline month after month, with no end in sight.

    My question is, when the fuck will Mozilla realize that everything they've done since Firefox 4 has been universally disliked?

    I mean, how much further does Firefox's market share have to decline? Does it need to hit 5%? Or 1%? Or are they just going to drive head-on into 0%?

    Mozilla totally missed the boat on mobile. Firefox for Android is universally disliked, and has at most 0.1% (yes, that's a fraction of 1%!) of the browser market. Chrome for Android has over 15%, and iOS Safari has over 5%.

    Mozilla has repeatedly ignored what users have wanted for Firefox on the desktop. Despite a huge outcry from the community, all we've gotten is one unwanted change after another. Mozilla trashed Firefox's UI. They trashed Firefox's usability. They put ads into Firefox. They forced in totally unwanted and unnecessary social media integration. They still haven't done much to improve Firefox's remarkably slow performance or its excessively high resource usage.

    Desktop Firefox is the only product that Mozilla offers that even has a small number of users. Since they abandoned Thunderbird, we've seen that gradually become avoided by users. None of Mozilla's other efforts have seen much success. Persona is a failure. Servo is perpetually going nowhere. Rust took forever to get to 1.0, and now that C++14 is out and is better there is no need for Rust. Let's Encrypt has been taking forever. Firefox OS has gotten some of the most scathing software reviews ever seen, and is seeing no uptake.

    With its continually dropping share of the market, at some point soon Firefox is going to become completely irrelevant. It's close enough, as it is. Once that finally happens, Mozilla's influence will evaporate. The small number of remaining Firefox users are the only thing keeping Mozilla even remotely relevant. When Firefox's market share percentage is measured on one finger, nobody will care what Mozilla and its handful of users will think about the direction that the web is taking.

    The saddest thing about all of this is that it's something that Mozilla has done to itself! It wasn't Microsoft, or Google, or Apple, or Opera, or anyone else who destroyed Firefox. It was Mozilla, and Mozilla alone! Even Firefox's users can't be blamed, because they did what they could and protested each and every awful change that Mozilla has forced. It's all so goddamn unnecessary!

    1. Re:When the fuck will Mozilla wake up?! by plover · · Score: 1

      TL;DR version: s/BSD/Firefox/*

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    2. Re:When the fuck will Mozilla wake up?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yet if you ask the decision makers at Mozilla, they will probably tell you that most of the UI changes have been made using data from A/B tests, UI usage data (ie. UI hotspots). Is their methodology wrong?
      Should we blame the massive marketing muscle of Google for so many people transitioning to Chrome? I've tried Chrome and IMO it's not better, though it is close.

    3. Re:When the fuck will Mozilla wake up?! by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The saddest thing about all of this is that it's something that Mozilla has done to itself! It wasn't Microsoft, or Google, or Apple, or Opera, or anyone else who destroyed Firefox. It was Mozilla, and Mozilla alone! Even Firefox's users can't be blamed, because they did what they could and protested each and every awful change that Mozilla has forced. It's all so goddamn unnecessary!

      Good rant, and pretty much spot on target.

      Apparently, they haven't even fixed issues as annoying as this, after almost five years. There are always plenty of resources at Mozilla to move controls around and break the UI, but when it comes to performance and real-world usability, well, that stuff isn't as much fun to work on, I guess.

      (Hint: for those who are annoyed by FireFox's habit of hitching and pausing every 10 seconds or so, that liink to helgeklein.com is well worth a click. It seems to have fixed the problem for me.)

    4. Re:When the fuck will Mozilla wake up?! by LoneBoco · · Score: 1

      I reported a bug recently where animated favicons visible in a tab or loaded and cached in your bookmarks toolbar tank scrolling performance in Firefox. This includes things like the spinning tab loading animation. Doesn't look like it will be fixed until after Firefox 44 as they still haven't figured out why the animated favicon causes so many redraw problems.

      If this is your issue, you can sort of fix it by turning off all the gfx.vsync.* settings and restarting Firefox.

    5. Re:When the fuck will Mozilla wake up?! by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      Yet if you ask the decision makers at Mozilla, they will probably tell you that most of the UI changes have been made using data from A/B tests, UI usage data (ie. UI hotspots). Is their methodology wrong?

      Not at all, if your goal is to appeal to the lowest-common denominator of user. You'd better get it right, though, because at that point, you're playing Microsoft's game.

    6. Re:When the fuck will Mozilla wake up?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My question is, when the fuck will Mozilla realize that everything they've done since Firefox 4 has been universally disliked?

      Given that statement, and since I've never tried Firefox before, I would seriously like to know which version of Firefox, that those of you out there utilize, is your favorite or has been best for you. I'm thinking of giving it a go. Thanks.

    7. Re:When the fuck will Mozilla wake up?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the most self-serving and myopic set of bullshit I've read in a long time. Thanks! That fills a good month of my BS quota; now I don't have to browse the web for a while.

      But seriously, if you just want to pretend that nothing Mozilla does is good, and claim what you say is "universal" and "nobody disagrees" and other shit like that, be my guest. You're missing about 95% of the picture in your aim to be as negative about Mozilla and Firefox, but I'm sure it's fun to vent, and for others to blindly agree with you because they also want to feel like it's true.

    8. Re:When the fuck will Mozilla wake up?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please provide the other 95%.

      At least the other guy put some thought and time into what he wrote.

      You basically just said he was wrong. That takes no effort and is not very convincing.

    9. Re:When the fuck will Mozilla wake up?! by PrimeNumber · · Score: 1

      If you're bitching about resource usage you haven't used Chrome lately. And as long as FF is around, it keeps the other browsers (corporations) in line.
      I for one, do not welcome our new Google overlord.

    10. Re:When the fuck will Mozilla wake up?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All talk.
      Firefox is the best browser.

  11. Which plugins does this version kill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So which plugins do I lose if I update? How many more toolbar buttons do I need to disable? How much more proprietary software is dumped in the "open source" Firefox that you can no longer build from source?

    These are important things to know before upgrading.

    1. Re:Which plugins does this version kill? by plover · · Score: 1

      None of my plugins are dead, and my old add-ons appear to all be working, too. That's really important to me, because the only reason I use Firefox is for the value added by the add-ons, especially NoScript, Ghostery, PrivacyBadger, AdBlock, and FlashBlock. It seems like Mozilla has finally figured out how to stop changing the add-on API with every damn release, for which I am very grateful. I used to have to wait a long time to find out which of my old extensions would need upgrading before updating Firefox. Or I'd spend a day editing a handful of XPI files to change the supported version numbers, because the changes were never actually dependent on the app version. But it's all fixed now, so that makes me happy.

      There's only one toolbar button you'll really want to get rid of, some stupid "share" button shaped like a paper airplane.

      One piece of shit they've left in is the broken UI idea that tabs should be above the toolbars and bookmarks. Tabs represent windows and should be associated to the display window itself, not to the container. It's one of those usability factors that makes Chrome suck so bad, yet here comes Mozilla to copy someone else's stupidity. Sigh.

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    2. Re:Which plugins does this version kill? by Teun · · Score: 1

      Strange, I see it just the other way. I believe the address bar belongs to the tab that's opened thus the tabs should be above it, the tool bar is so small it resides right of the address bar and again, it's main functions are for me on the active site/tab.

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    3. Re:Which plugins does this version kill? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      One piece of shit they've left in is the broken UI idea that tabs should be above the toolbars and bookmarks.

      Why is that a broken idea? I only have one tool bar, and it contains the address bar and search box, along with the adblock pro, ghostery, etc. All of those functions are applicable to the currently displayed tab; the little number in ghostery for example is how many things were blocked in the current tab. The address bar is the address of the current tab, etc.

      Even the home button and bookmarks are navigation controls that apply to the current tab. (although multi-tab bookmarks are an exception to that -- but I don't use those.)

      Really the ONLY things that don't really semantically belong "inside the tab" is the settings hamburger menu and the the downloads button. But wasting space above the tabs for just those two items is silly; and I don't object them in the tab.

      I certainly do not think tabs below the address bar makes any real sense at all. So why do you think its "broken"?

      There are lots of things I think are broken, but that's not one of them.

    4. Re:Which plugins does this version kill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think of optimizing screen real-estate.

  12. No shit. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No kidding it continues to decline. There's two main reasons:

    1. Go to google.com and you det an advert for chrome. So, the world's largest advertiser it heavily avertising on one of the highest traffic sites in the world.

    2. Chrome is installed on the majority of mobile devices, and that's now a HUGE segment, and hardly anyone seems to install a better browser on their phone.

    I'm inclined to say the latter is more important. If you look at the stats on wikipedia, the decline of firefox mirrors the rise in mobile devices, not the rise in chrome.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    So, massive advertising campaign and aggressive bundling from one of the largest companies in the world? What chance do they stand?

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    1. Re:No shit. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I'm inclined to say the latter is more important. If you look at the stats on wikipedia, the decline of firefox mirrors the rise in mobile devices, not the rise in chrome.

      If you go to gs.statcounter.com and select just the desktop platform it's 57% Chrome, 17% Firefox, in total on all platforms it's 9.5%. At its peak in November 2009 Firefox had 32% when the mobile market was negligible. So it's about even, they've lost 45% of the desktop market share and the desktop has lost 45% of the total.market. YMMV but I switched because having Firefox running for long periods made it a slow memory hog requiring a full restart, in Chrome closing the offending tab solved things. Mozilla started project electrolysis in 2009 but six years later it's still in development. So instead of fixing the core issues they think a Chrome-like paint and social activism will turn a Ford into a Ferrari. Blaming Google is folly, Mozilla has for the most part screwed this up themselves.

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    2. Re:No shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firefox users in general have more clue and is more likely to block the crap such as statcounter.

    3. Re:No shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In actuality, they have been fixing the "core issues" quite a lot. But of course nobody notices, since it's hard to see incremental changes. But go back and try Firefox 3 or 4 sometime (in a serious usage manner). You'll see how far Firefox has really come.

      Also, maybe once we stop demanding that Firefox retains 100% compatibility with shitty old addons, half-broken features, and so on, Firefox will finally be able to ship bigger things like e10s. Why do you think they're trying to dump XUL-style addons? It's not because they want to, it's because they're holding Firefox back. But we don't want them to do that, because apparently that horrible shit is what makes Firefox special.

  13. Actual release notes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Instead of linking to blogspam, why not link to the actual release notes?
    https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/42.0/releasenotes/

  14. Audio indicators. Suggested that 7 years ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice. They finally have tab audio indicators.
    I (and some others) suggested indicators / volume controls per tab about 7-8 years ago, back when they had this feature brainstorm for 3.x or maybe 4.0.
    Maybe I should have just coded it myself in the meantime.

  15. But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it still come with forced updates? If so, fuck you Firefox. I'll stay on FF 30.

    1. Re:But by Minwee · · Score: 1

      The new version still has the same choices for updates as always:

      • - Automatically install new versions
      • - Check and notify
      • - Never check

      So, yes, it comes with optional forced updates. You can either set your preferences or continue living in the past as you wish.

    2. Re:But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah who needs security and compatibility?

    3. Re:But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you run it like I do, on Linux, installed at /opt/firefox, I get a nice little alert that theres an available update, which I can then ignore or go download.. EasyPeasy...

    4. Re:But by daveime · · Score: 1

      > yeah who needs security and compatibility?

      I dunno, why not ask every user of Windows who thought the same thing about Window Updates, and suddenly discovered a 4GB download forcedon them for an O/S they don't want?

  16. Only for Private Windows by sjbe · · Score: 1

    The tracking protection only appears to work in Private Windows. It should work by default if you want it to, with or without Private Windows. I have NO interest in being tracked regardless of mode unless I opt-in to such tracking. (can't imagine me doing that but I should control the option)

    1. Re:Only for Private Windows by Shawn+is+an+Asshole · · Score: 1

      Haven't tried 42.0 yet, but the last few releases have tracking already and can be turned on through about:config.

      Just set privacy.trackingprotection.enabled and privacy.trackingprotection.pbmode.enabled to true.

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    2. Re:Only for Private Windows by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Really, Mozilla? Copy a feature IE has had for years, ok, fine, good for you, have a cookie.

      Make it completely obscure how to use it in the common scenario (i.e. not launching in Private Browsing mode), though? That's just... Stupid. Ridiculously stupid.

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  17. I'd like to see CPU / RAM use per tab by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    That would be a more valuable feature to me. There are times when I start firefox and I know there is a tab that is going haywire but I can't figure out which one it is...

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    1. Re:I'd like to see CPU / RAM use per tab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      about:memory

    2. Re:I'd like to see CPU / RAM use per tab by nevermore94 · · Score: 1

      I use Tab Memory which works pretty well for adding a little usage count to the top of every tab.
      http://mybrowseraddon.com/tab-...

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    3. Re:I'd like to see CPU / RAM use per tab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the suggestion. Works like a charm after tuning the defaults!

    4. Re:I'd like to see CPU / RAM use per tab by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      about:memory

      That is for memory use, not CPU use.

      I think that the real reason that so many people want to see per-tab CPU use is due to Firefox freezing so often. Another poster above posted this link, which seems to resolve the issue partially:
      https://helgeklein.com/blog/20...

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  18. Firefox 42 arrives by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 0

    But unfortunately, it's not the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything.

    Fight for your bitcoins!

  19. "tracking protection" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah... it protects the trackers

  20. New private browsing mode by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    (read: porn sites)

    Silly timothy, that's not how you use porn sites!

    Fight for your bitcoins!

  21. Cannot connect to my WLS consoles by Eric.pl · · Score: 1

    Back to 'vi' and editing directly the config.xml.

  22. Seems to work fairly well by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Surprisingly fairly easy to use the new No Tracking windows.

    That given, I should warn you that your actual keyboard, mouse controller, and CPU GPU are all directly accessible by the NSA GCHQ CSES and all the other p3rvs.

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  23. Browser alternatives? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

    Is there another browser that can be configured like FF with the Tree-Style tabs add-on? I've gotten so used to having the tabs along the left side of the browser, that I can't stand using a browser with them across the top. I tend to have a lot of windows open, 14 at the moment. And currently have 7 to 22 tabs open in each window. If I'm researching something, that number can go up more. When the number of tabs gets past 8 or so, it's too difficult to figure out what's in them if they are across the top. I can resize them to be wider if they are along the side.

    I've looked at PaleMoon, but it won't work with that add-on, and I couldn't find one that worked. Chrome also doesn't seem to allow for it, or at least the last time I looked. Nor do any of the other dozen or so browsers I've tried.

    Thanks in advance.

    1. Re:Browser alternatives? by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Not that I'm aware of. The closest is, oddly, IE; it has "tab grouping" that color-codes tabs so you can tell which tabs were opened from which other tabs. Still only along the top, though, and it doesn't actually show the hierarchy.

      I'd really like to have tab trees in Pale Moon. At least Pale Moon supports switching tabs (Ctrl+Tab shortcut) in recently-used order... Firefox's default tab handling is shit (and not just for the location or lack of hierarchy).

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    2. Re:Browser alternatives? by lionel77 · · Score: 1

      I'm using Opera with the Simple Vertical Tabs extension and am pretty happy with it. Opera is actually a decent option if you have realized how wonderful vertical tabs are, but also need compatibility with existing Chrome-only extensions (Tabs Outliner, in my case) and are therefore prevented from using Firefox with Tree Style Tabs.

      Another option would be the Vivaldi browser, which supports vertical tabs natively. It just entered beta, so it still has some rough edges, but it does already look promising. Vivaldi also supports Chrome extensions, but unlike Opera only many but not all of them currently.

  24. Half the argument by s.petry · · Score: 2

    How do you make money to keep the project going? Well, you have to have some give and take (*cough* yahoo default search engine *cough*).

    Firefox has ~10% market share and is not installed as a default in Windows, IOS, OSX, or Android. Google does not recommend it every time you run a search on a non Chrome browser either. 10% is pretty damn good all things considered.

    The doom and gloom claim is simply wrong. Sure, they may leverage some technology better than others but moving to the point it's not relevant? Last I checked, Steve Balmer as not running them into the ground too. (sorry, easy MS shot and I took it)

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    1. Re:Half the argument by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Considering some number had FF over 50%, ~10% if fucking pathetic. They let their ux "experts" start calling the shots and started moving dev pet plugins into teh core browser even though no one wanted to use them. That's why their market share plummeted. Couple that with the impending destruction of their addon api, the only reason to use the fucking POS, and it's a wonder anyone bothers.

      Use Chromium with uMatrix. Done.

    2. Re:Half the argument by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love Firefox including the UI. There are only a few things I don't love about it:

      - the e10s project still isn't done (process per tab)
      - the least-privilege project seems to have stalled (if a hacker fully breaches firefox, it won't be very helpful because the browser would be running as a low privileged user)
      - huge memory pig, seems to still be leaky.

      Despite those issues, I keep using it because I trust Mozilla with privacy far more than Google, Apple or Microsoft.

    3. Re:Half the argument by s.petry · · Score: 1

      When FF had 50% of the market there were 2.1 Browsers being used. I.E., Firefox, and Opera.

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    4. Re:Half the argument by iampiti · · Score: 1

      I understand Mozilla have to make money to keep going but they have to be very careful about their monetization strategies: Annoy the user too much and you'll lose many users instead of making more money.
      I personally would be open to paying a small amount of money per year to have no monetization "features" at all.

    5. Re:Half the argument by TheRealLifeboy · · Score: 1

      Chromium uses roughly twice the memory on my Ubuntu desktop than Firefox! Similarly configured and similar plugins added... Firefox is relatively stable. I had some issues after installing the pepperflash implementation, but that's sorted now and it works just fine for me.

  25. Look in the mirror, friend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    What a load of bunk!

    Does Google getting the word out about Chrome help inform people about Chrome's existence? Of course.

    But advertising alone doesn't make people continue to use a given product, and that's exactly what market share measures.

    Just alerting somebody to the existence of Chrome doesn't cause them to install it, it doesn't cause them to use it at first, and it doesn't cause them to start using it consistently.

    What does cause people to keep using Chrome, however, is the fact that it gives a better experience than Firefox. Chrome is noticeably faster. Chrome is lightweight. Chrome's UI doesn't change drastically every other month. Chrome doesn't break extensions with each major release. Chrome doesn't include Pocket, Hello, ads, and other totally unwanted shit like that by default. Chrome doesn't remove useful existing functionality with little notice. Google doesn't ignore the loudly expressed wishes of Chrome's users like Mozilla ignores the wishes of Firefox's users.

    As for mobile devices, it sure doesn't help that Firefox for Android is awful compared to the mobile versions of Chrome. Even if Firefox for Android came bundled with every mobile device out there, people would still go out of their way to install Chrome, just because Chrome is so much better.

    Mozilla/Firefox supporters such as yourself need to stop blaming Google, and instead look in the mirror.

    Mozilla, and only Mozilla, is responsible for Firefox's drastic decline in market share, and its total non-existence in the mobile market. It wasn't Google that has made one unwanted and despised change after another to Firefox; it was Mozilla who did that! It wasn't Google who bungled Firefox for Android, and didn't even bother creating a viable iOS version; it was Mozilla who did that!

    The longer that Mozilla and its supporters refuse to look in the mirror and see who is truly responsible for Firefox's sad state of affairs, the worse things will continue to get for it. Continually blaming Google for Mozilla's problems will never actually result in Mozilla's problems getting solved!

    1. Re:Look in the mirror, friend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a Firefox user looking in the mirror, how the fuck is all that my fault? I hate the changes in Firefox too but what I'm I supposed to do about it? I already don't recommend it to anyone. So, what should I do? Use Chrome? Sorry, I don't agree to Google's privacy policy. So what then smart guy?

  26. It should be a plugin, not a feature. by Medievalist · · Score: 1

    what's wrong with firefox sync?

    It should be a plugin. I don't want it, don't need it, and it gets in my way because it's on by default. I've deactivated it on three systems this week alone.

    I find it pretty useful.

    That's exactly why it should be available to you as a plugin.

    Firefox was created because Mozilla (now seamonkey) was too bloated. The stated design philosophy of FF was that a browser should browse the web, and have no other features except as provided by way of rich plugin support.

    I don't run FF without SDC and Noscript. But I wouldn't dream of inflicting my needs on everyone else who runs the browser... apparently the devs of sync, pocket and hello feel differently.

  27. Don't worry until FF 44 by CrashNBrn · · Score: 2

    Probably not too many extensions to worry about until FireFox 44 - that is where the current usage of "let" and "const" will be deprecated. That change breaks almost everything. Any extension that doesn't get an update for FF44 will (likely) no longer work --- Most FF extensions that I've unpacked use least one if not dozens of let's and const's. I had to downgrade Nightly to 44.0a1 (2015-10-05) within the last three weeks --- I haven't tested a more recently Nightly since almost none of my "active" extensions have gotten an update to resolve that issue yet.

  28. Netscape all over again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Netscape Navigator wasn't there by default either.
    Nonetheless it gained market share over Internet Explorer.
    Repeated by Firefox.

    Netscape Navigator became bloated and irrelevant and people stopped installing it when it had no advantage over what they could get elsewhere.
    Being repeated by Firefox as we speak.

    Mozilla corp and the die hard fans would make good ostriches.

  29. social justice warriors destroyed firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i guess thats why that linus guy wont let these vermin in his backyard, so his masterace stuff wont turn into a big pile of horse shite, the only reason i still use firefox is because im too fucking lazy to install one of the derivatives, but thats it, they are irrelevant to me, their addons are 10 times more important

    i dont even care about running a derivative that maybe does not have the ultimate security patch until a week later since im running all my shit sandboxed ANYWAY, i could do it right fucking now

  30. Tracking protection, can it work? by edxwelch · · Score: 1

    I wonder how well the tracking protection really works.
    Just looking at the huge amounts of ways that your browser can be fingerprinted - https://wiki.mozilla.org/Finge... - it seems virtually impossible. To start with they already have your IP and there's about a dozen other standard parameters the uniquely identify you. Then there's some crazy shit, like checking system clock time skew.

    1. Re:Tracking protection, can it work? by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      It's less about preventing fingerprinting and more about preventing third-party requests. For example, browsing Slashdot with Slashdot's ads ostensibly disabled, there are still eight different third-party requests (not counting stuff I've whitelisted, like jquery and other necessary evils) that my browser has blocked. That's not counting requests that the responses to those blocked requests themselves would have generated, which is usually several times as many (page loads third-party scripts A, B, and C, each of them loads another script and a tracking pixel, so you go from three blocked requests to nine third-party requests if you don't filter).

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  31. FF turned into Chrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm on Chrome (work computer). Used to use FF on it, but FF looks so much like Chrome, I often forget that I am not using it.